Warhammer30k Astartes MKVI Assault Marines

[Noserenda]

Im not sure why they would put all the extra effort into breachers in particular when we already have systems in place that they are following for all the other upgrades. Id be impressed if they could a universal face armour upgrade though! (Not sarcastic, that would be cool)

Especially for arms sadly, because they have been really tight with those. :( 

But yeah, 5 shields +arms, 5 bolters +arms, a couple of special weapons, maybe a thunder hammer or other sergeant option plus a few heads/misc accessories seems about right for an upgrade frame.

[MegaVolt87]

7 hours ago, Marshal Rohr said:

Now that we know all the Marks being redone will share the same posing to maintain compatibility with the special and heavy weapons with Assault Weapons on the way next Summer I think we are going to get Breachers, Destroyers, Recon, and Seekers as upgrade boxes instead of individual unit boxes. The Breacher box will be 20 Shields, Helmets, and Bolters with Agnostic Arms that can be given the Mark 3 Vambrace. Destroyers will be Dual Pistols, arms, and special weapons like disintegrators, toxiferran flamers, and Volkites and come with attachments for helmets and armor plates. Recon and Seekers will be the same way, armor mark agnostic so you can easily buy 6 boxes of 20 of whatever you want, a couple of upgrade boxes and knock out all your infantry for under 800 bucks. 
 

Just my theory, not any special knowledge. It feels like they recognize people want to be able to do their favorite armor, and making the specialist units upgrades instead of bespoke boxes let’s that happen, encourages people to collect multiple legions in different armor, or go crazy with one legion and all the armies as they drop them one per year.
 

The Assault Squad ending up as Mark 6 aligns with this because it’s clear Mark 6 is the “baseline” for new Heresy, so your units like jetbikes and Land speeders and the command squad will all be mark 6 and if you want a different Mark you can convert the models yourself. 

 

20 breacher upgrade sounds a bit much, I could see a 10 set though. A dual upgrade kit for recons and seekers would work. X5 nemesis bolters, x5 combi bolters with desired attachments. Those contents because they match the minimum units size. Would make sense for stand alone jump destroyers to accompany a new mk IV box. Kills two birds with one stone, mk IV destroyer box could be assault marines, like people already mentioned plans to make the new mk VI box destroyers by adding a holstered bolt pistol. 

[Urauloth]

On 11/20/2023 at 9:15 PM, ChargingSoll said:

Just for the few that are interested, the shield arm doesn't have a bolt pistol but held like a storm shield.

Thanks, I love it! These will make incredible knights of Caliban.
 

I'm wondering how the jump packs hook up the torsos, and whether these can be given regular Mk VI backpacks to make despoilers. They'd have heavier armour and cabling on their torsos than usual, but eh. Because they aren't posed hopping on rocks, you could pretty easily just have them charging.

[MegaVolt87]

Ideally, the new assault squad should have powerpacks and the normal mk VI chest plate like the OOP 40k assault squad. If they don't, I would just be doing an arm swap with the mk VI tac squad, enough leg mvt there for for despoilers for me. Can a despoiler squad take the combat shields? 

[sarabando]

this is GW we are talking about the breachers will be a resin upgrade kit. 

 

 

As for this kit, il be stealing the arms for other units and be giving them rotor cannons for my Blood Angels. i just need to get some interesting heads for them to make some ghetto angels tears. 

 

im hoping they drop before xmas too

[Antarius]

Breachers are alreday a resin upgrade kit, aren't they?

I do think we'll see most non-legion specific units in plastic, but I also gotta say I wonder why they haven't put out a lot of those seemingly no-brainer upgrade kits for the plastic marines yet. It seems like it would make Horus Heresy a lot more profitable right away, not to mention a lot easier for the consumer.

[Waaagh?]

52 minutes ago, sarabando said:

this is GW we are talking about the breachers will be a resin upgrade kit. 

 

 

As for this kit, il be stealing the arms for other units and be giving them rotor cannons for my Blood Angels. i just need to get some interesting heads for them to make some ghetto angels tears. 

 

im hoping they drop before xmas too

 

 

Stormcast heads with the fancy halos cut off do the job for that simple face mask look. 

[Valkyrion]

40 minutes ago, Antarius said:

Breachers are alreday a resin upgrade kit, aren't they?

I do think we'll see most non-legion specific units in plastic, but I also gotta say I wonder why they haven't put out a lot of those seemingly no-brainer upgrade kits for the plastic marines yet. It seems like it would make Horus Heresy a lot more profitable right away, not to mention a lot easier for the consumer.

 

Breachers are a full kit. The legion specific breachers for Imperial Fists and Ultramarines are upgrades to the MKIV kit, but I agree. There are still resin options for weapons we now have in plastic, but no generic shields, sniper rifles, shotguns etc. 

[Waaagh?]

27 minutes ago, Valkyrion said:

 

Breachers are a full kit. The legion specific breachers for Imperial Fists and Ultramarines are upgrades to the MKIV kit, but I agree. There are still resin options for weapons we now have in plastic, but no generic shields, sniper rifles, shotguns etc. 

 

There is also (or at least was) an upgrade kit version with different shields that are very old and I believe predate Heresy and where for Badab or similar. 

[Stitch5000]

2 minutes ago, Waaagh? said:

 

There is also (or at least was) an upgrade kit version with different shields that are very old and I believe predate Heresy and where for Badab or similar. 

Yes, there was a resin upgrade kit with some simple curved, square shaped shields that existed for a long time, but has probably gone away now, since it is pretty much redundant. 

[MoriyaSchism]

2 hours ago, Stitch5000 said:

Yes, there was a resin upgrade kit with some simple curved, square shaped shields that existed for a long time, but has probably gone away now, since it is pretty much redundant. 

Yeah, it's gone now. The new GW website made it quite a task to check if it's still around. A shame really, but the Ultramarine Praetorian breacher set still has that style of shield.

[Hungry Nostraman Lizard]

On 11/18/2023 at 10:01 AM, Special Officer Doofy said:

Snail speed. If the idea is only a 3 year edition cycle, the codex cycle shouldn't take 2.5 years then. What a joke.

Having stopped playing mid 8th to transtion fully to 30k, I feel immense burnout just looking IN on 40ks cycles. It sounds like a royal pain in the ass, imagine being the last codex to be released, your preorder drops next weekend - and bam, there are rumors and hints that a new edition is coming out in three months. 


 

On 11/22/2023 at 3:44 PM, Marshal Rohr said:

Now that we know all the Marks being redone will share the same posing to maintain compatibility with the special and heavy weapons with Assault Weapons on the way next Summer I think we are going to get Breachers, Destroyers, Recon, and Seekers as upgrade boxes instead of individual unit boxes. The Breacher box will be 20 Shields, Helmets, and Bolters with Agnostic Arms that can be given the Mark 3 Vambrace. Destroyers will be Dual Pistols, arms, and special weapons like disintegrators, toxiferran flamers, and Volkites and come with attachments for helmets and armor plates. Recon and Seekers will be the same way, armor mark agnostic so you can easily buy 6 boxes of 20 of whatever you want, a couple of upgrade boxes and knock out all your infantry for under 800 bucks. 
 

Just my theory, not any special knowledge. It feels like they recognize people want to be able to do their favorite armor, and making the specialist units upgrades instead of bespoke boxes let’s that happen, encourages people to collect multiple legions in different armor, or go crazy with one legion and all the armies as they drop them one per year.
 

The Assault Squad ending up as Mark 6 aligns with this because it’s clear Mark 6 is the “baseline” for new Heresy, so your units like jetbikes and Land speeders and the command squad will all be mark 6 and if you want a different Mark you can convert the models yourself. 

I really wish mark VI is just the temporary face, but alas - 
 

On 11/22/2023 at 4:06 PM, WrathOfTheLion said:

The Jetbikes have a separate sprue for the riders, so they left it open for them to do other marks there.

 

They'd just need to release a MK II/MK IV/whatever frame. They could even do a character frame for them.

I'm hoping we get those upgrades. I want my mark IV to be predominant! (For Night Lords)

[WrathOfTheLion]

1 minute ago, Hungry Nostraman Lizard said:

I really wish mark VI is just the temporary face, but alas - 

MK VI is their way of going for like a mid/late war setting, if you think of it like a historical.

 

As we can see with the new MK III, they're going to roll out the other armor marks as well. They've clearly planned a lot of that ahead, so we'll just have to wait and see where it takes us.

[Marshal Rohr]

Doing the marks as a once a year release isn’t fun but it practically ensures five to six years of interest, which is the lifecycle of Necromunda before Ash Wastes and Adeptus Titanicus before Legiones. 
 

My Conspiracy Brain says their Long Term Plan is to wrap up the Heresy in six years before moving onto “Warhammer Age of Legends” which will become an annual or bi-annual campaign book covering the big historical wars of the 10,000 years of Imperial History before the Indomitus Crusades in the Imperial Armor style starting with the Scouring and hitting the big beats like Armageddon, Age of Apostasy, etc. 

 

That way the final armor dropped is a big box of Mark 7 or Mark 8 and we slowly see the return of updated Legends units like Boxnaughts with a granular game system for them. 
 

In a perfect World, they’d go backwards and do the Great Crusade to reignite people wanting to collect new legions and do army books for Orks and Eldar with a “Build Your Own Xenos” expansion with a mind towards conversions. 

[redmapa]

1 hour ago, Marshal Rohr said:

My Conspiracy Brain says their Long Term Plan is to wrap up the Heresy in six years before moving onto “Warhammer Age of Legends” which will become an annual or bi-annual campaign book covering the big historical wars of the 10,000 years of Imperial History before the Indomitus Crusades in the Imperial Armor style starting with the Scouring and hitting the big beats like Armageddon, Age of Apostasy, etc. 

 

That way the final armor dropped is a big box of Mark 7 or Mark 8 and we slowly see the return of updated Legends units like Boxnaughts with a granular game system for them. 

 

 

Sounds beautiful.

[Lord Marshal]

On a tangentially related note, it appears IF Templar Brethren upgrades have vanished off the webstore? 

[Mmmmm Napalm]

1 hour ago, Lord Marshal said:

On a tangentially related note, it appears IF Templar Brethren upgrades have vanished off the webstore? 

Seems to be so on the US website as well. I suppose it is because the kits it was designed to go with (resin and plastic old mk. III) are no longer in production. Obviously one could technically use the Mk. IV legs, but that kit's days are numbered too.

 

I know Fists have gotten a lot of love in HH but I won't lie, I'd like to see how an update of the Templar Brethren would look. I never liked the old TB heads, I always thought the eyes were too big. Honestly, the IF Mk. VI heads feel like refined versions of the old Templar Brethren heads, minus the brow of course.

[Lord Marshal]

Just now, Mmmmm Napalm said:

Seems to be so on the US website as well. I suppose it is because the kits it was designed to go with (resin and plastic old mk. III) are no longer in production. Obviously one could technically use the Mk. IV legs, but that kit's days are numbered too.

 

I know Fists have gotten a lot of love in HH but I won't lie, I'd like to see how an update of the Templar Brethren would look. I never liked the old TB heads, I always thought the eyes were too big. Honestly, the IF Mk. VI heads feel like refined versions of the old Templar Brethren heads, minus the brow of course.

 

Strangely the resin MKIII Despoilers, who you're 'technically' supposed to use the upgrade kit with (although few do for obvious reasons) are still available. 

 

Does make me wonder if the 'Loyalist' MKVI Champion was foreshadowing. 

[WrathOfTheLion]

Have we had any full resin squads since the Dark Angels came out? Makes you wonder if they'll move back to using upgrades on the plastic kits vs. full resin kits.

Edited November 24, 2023 by WrathOfTheLion

[MoriyaSchism]

9 minutes ago, WrathOfTheLion said:

Have we had any full resin squads since the Dark Angels came out? Makes you wonder if they'll move back to using upgrades on the plastic kits vs. full resin kits.

The Dreadwing Interemptors are a full resin kit.

[OttoVonAwesome]

4 hours ago, Marshal Rohr said:

Doing the marks as a once a year release isn’t fun but it practically ensures five to six years of interest, which is the lifecycle of Necromunda before Ash Wastes and Adeptus Titanicus before Legiones. 
 

My Conspiracy Brain says their Long Term Plan is to wrap up the Heresy in six years before moving onto “Warhammer Age of Legends” which will become an annual or bi-annual campaign book covering the big historical wars of the 10,000 years of Imperial History before the Indomitus Crusades in the Imperial Armor style starting with the Scouring and hitting the big beats like Armageddon, Age of Apostasy, etc. 

 

That way the final armor dropped is a big box of Mark 7 or Mark 8 and we slowly see the return of updated Legends units like Boxnaughts with a granular game system for them. 
 

In a perfect World, they’d go backwards and do the Great Crusade to reignite people wanting to collect new legions and do army books for Orks and Eldar with a “Build Your Own Xenos” expansion with a mind towards conversions. 

Original rumours pegged Horus Heresy as just a brand under the "Age of Darkness" wich would cover other events such as the Scouring, Apostasy, Badab down the road. I'd be very surprised if mark 6 really was some kind of posterboy and the other marks didn't also get a command squad and assualt squad type release (I think breachers might be the one for mark 3). I'd love to see other marks for bike and jetbikes but I imagine the kit was cut that way for potential character releases.

 

2 hours ago, Lord Marshal said:

On a tangentially related note, it appears IF Templar Brethren upgrades have vanished off the webstore? 

Saw that coming. I fully expect a glow up of SoH and IF special units as well as an upgrade pack for IF (the new shotguns, solarite guantlets etc). There's a great deal of models that are going to need replacements going forward. Hopefully this time they'll finish releases for legions in the spotlight before moving on to the next and leaving a bunch of units with rules modeless.

[Marshal Rohr]

The haters and whiners will be out in full force if fist and sons get their specials. 

[WrathOfTheLion]

25 minutes ago, MoriyaSchism said:

The Dreadwing Interemptors are a full resin kit.

I meant whether we had any full resin squads since those, the Inner Circle Knights and Deathwing Companions came out. I think those were the last ones.

 

2 minutes ago, Marshal Rohr said:

The haters and whiners will be out in full force if fist and sons get their specials. 

It is what it is, so no use in dwelling on it. At least is my opinion.

[MoriyaSchism]

5 hours ago, Marshal Rohr said:

My Conspiracy Brain says their Long Term Plan is to wrap up the Heresy in six years before moving onto “Warhammer Age of Legends” which will become an annual or bi-annual campaign book covering the big historical wars of the 10,000 years of Imperial History before the Indomitus Crusades in the Imperial Armor style starting with the Scouring and hitting the big beats like Armageddon, Age of Apostasy, etc. 

 

That way the final armor dropped is a big box of Mark 7 or Mark 8 and we slowly see the return of updated Legends units like Boxnaughts with a granular game system for them. 
 

If they ever do new Mark 7 and Mark 8 kits I hope they are in the same scale as Chaos Marines instead of the Heresy beakies. The new helmets are too small for my tastes.

[Noserenda]

22 minutes ago, Marshal Rohr said:

The haters and whiners will be out in full force if fist and sons get their specials. 

Saying something this foolish on a thread about a unit released solely because people asked for it is really something lol

Templars actually make a lot of sense from SG's perspective as there is a decent 40k range you could easily kitbash a squad from and they'll want to prevent or distract from that :P Even ignoring the commercial reasons its a bit of an oddly proportioned kit even before everything sized up so itll be good to get that revamped alongside any other upgrade kits based on the Mk3, i think all the mk6 ones were complete kits? 

The bigger thing is the stealth discontinuation, assuming its not just teething troubles with the new website?