Rumour Blood Angel Boxset

[jaxom]

57 minutes ago, DemonGSides said:

 

Inner Circle Companions didn't come in the DA army box, so we've still got hope for them.

Considering the absolute abundance of Sanguinary Guard rumors, I think we'll still see them.

I was thinking Inner Circle Knights as they’re another pre-existing unit.

[Nephaston]

18 minutes ago, jaxom said:

I was thinking Inner Circle Knights as they’re another pre-existing unit.

Ah, but the pre-existting unit is a 5-man variant. This new SG is an alleged 3-man unit. So they match the companions.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

7 hours ago, Dark Shepherd said:

Brutalis makes me a bit worried about Furioso dreads...

Old dreads are out of the codexes, we’ve already seen it in the main dex. 
 

Brutalis is the furioso, just like the reaper is the Baal.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

4 hours ago, Casual Heresy said:

If the content rumour pans out I'll be quite happy. I was planning to get 2 to kick start my new Blood Angels force. I want it to be a classic force of predominantly Jump Pack and Chainsword weilding maniacs so more is always good. Plus I'm okay with an extra Lemartes and Astorath to base some epic kitbash characters on.

‘Classic’ force not so much.

thats a much more modern way to build a BA force.

[LameBeard]

10 minutes ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

‘Classic’ force not so much.

thats a much more modern way to build a BA force.

Well if the new battle force looks anything like this classic I’ll be happy to buy it.

Jump pack? What’s a jump pack?

[DemonGSides]

2 minutes ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

Old dreads are out of the codexes, we’ve already seen it in the main dex. 
 

Brutalis is the furioso, just like the reaper is the Baal.

 

"Dreadnought" is a Codex: Space Marines entry, that's why I think they'll survive through 10th, but gone in 11th.

[INKS]

I am very tempted to wait for this one. I know I said that already. lol But It's been at the back of my mind all day. 

[CL_Mission]

Do I need to start collecting Blood Angels? I'm sure I have enough projects on already but....

[Alternis]

4 hours ago, jaxom said:

Interesting that there’s no unique non-character unit. Maybe no updated Sanguinary Guard?

Sanguinary Guard is rumoured to be coming with this refresh. 
 

losing their wings but getting a jump pack similar to the new Dante and reduced to a unit of 3-6 similar to Bladeguard/Inner Circle companions

 

so i expect a full overhaul of their rules entirely

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

4 hours ago, DemonGSides said:

 

"Dreadnought" is a Codex: Space Marines entry, that's why I think they'll survive through 10th, but gone in 11th.

You’re right somehow I’ve missed it the last…2ish years…

[Casual Heresy]

9 hours ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

‘Classic’ force not so much.

thats a much more modern way to build a BA force.

You’re of course welcome to disagree, but it’s chainswords, jump packs and highly artifices wargear that spring to mind when some one says Blood Angels. I’ll be leaning into close assault aspects of them that have been prominent since assault squads could be troops and deep striking land raiders were dedicated transports. 
 

Now back on topic: as this box is supposed to be primarily death company themed I’m curious if there will be Death Company specific bits and shoulder pads on the new upgrade sprue or if it’s a case of build a pretty Blood Angel and paint him black again. I am very much hoping for the former but expecting the latter.
 

Hopefully there will be a few heads with flowing locks and bared fangs at least. 

[Cleon]

I'm going to wait and see what the character sculpts look like, I don't need any more Assault intercessors and while I could use another set of Jump assault I'm not excited by them and I already have a Brutalis so it really depends if the upgrade sprue inspires me to make more of the basic troops or if there is an interesting death company build with it.

[Alternis]

1 hour ago, Cleon said:

I'm going to wait and see what the character sculpts look like, I don't need any more Assault intercessors and while I could use another set of Jump assault I'm not excited by them and I already have a Brutalis so it really depends if the upgrade sprue inspires me to make more of the basic troops or if there is an interesting death company build with it.

My stance on this is, the upgrade sprue should by all accounts upgrade everything in the box into DC variants. 
 

similar to the Deathwing assault box, every battle force we’ve had so far has been themed to a specific sub section of its respective army 

 

eg 

 

Dark Angels > Deathwing Terminators

Tau > Kroot 

Blood Angels > Death Company 

 

it stands to reason following this trend, Brutalis should have a DC upgrade and both the troops should be Death Company Intercessors and Death Company Intercessors with Jump Packs

 

With your 2 characters, Lemartes and Astaroth

[LameBeard]

7 minutes ago, Alternis said:

My stance on this is, the upgrade sprue should by all accounts upgrade everything in the box into DC variants. 
 

similar to the Deathwing assault box, every battle force we’ve had so far has been themed to a specific sub section of its respective army 

 

eg 

 

Dark Angels > Deathwing Terminators

Tau > Kroot 

Blood Angels > Death Company 

 

it stands to reason following this trend, Brutalis should have a DC upgrade and both the troops should be Death Company Intercessors and Death Company Intercessors with Jump Packs

 

With your 2 characters, Lemartes and Astaroth

Yet the Dark Angel upgrade sprue has plenty of non-Deathwing upgrades. So it may upgrade what you’ve said, but have a wider application as well.

 

Personally, I feel like those who fear a “Death Company focused” upgrade sprue may be pleasantly surprised. The firstborn Death Company sprues have a lot of beautiful stuff you can use on other blood angels, it’s not all just saltires.

Edited July 27 by LameBeard

[Blindhamster]

If the upgrade sprue is overtly deathcompany, I for one will be incredibly disappointed 

[Robbienw]

1 sprue is never enough.

[Casual Heresy]

2 minutes ago, Robbienw said:

1 sprue is never enough.

Sprues for the sprue god! Bits for the bits throne!

 

Based on the DA sprue, we can safely assume there will be 5x each of normal, Phobos, nuTerminator and heavy intercessor pads and 3 each of aggressor/inceptor and bladeguard. As to what the rest will be is anyone’s guess. But it will be less bling than we hope for. Fingers crossed there is more than we fear though. 

[Blindhamster]

My hope is that the pads do not have sculpted crosses, ideally covering a couple of variations of the chapter symbol and covering assault intercessor style pads.

 

weapon wise, I’d hope for a few melee weapon options, and ideally a set of sculpted muscle legs and torso. I’d also love to see a variety of bare heads with at least one having mephiston length hair. Despite me not wanting a heavy death company focus, I’d quite like to see some bare heads that are full vampire snarling with fangs.

[Karhedron]

DC were the Blood Angels' first unique unit way back in 1st edition so I expect strong representation on the sprue as a given. However, like the DAs, I am expecting there will be plenty of other stuff. Here is some of what I expect to see.

• Handful of ornate melee weapons
• Muscle armour to bling out a Captain. 
• A custom shooting weapon of some sort (Heavy flamer for Primaris maybe?)
• A few Death Masks
• A Grail

[Alternis]

2 hours ago, Karhedron said:

DC were the Blood Angels' first unique unit way back in 1st edition so I expect strong representation on the sprue as a given. However, like the DAs, I am expecting there will be plenty of other stuff. Here is some of what I expect to see.

• Handful of ornate melee weapons
• Muscle armour to bling out a Captain. 
• A custom shooting weapon of some sort (Heavy flamer for Primaris maybe?)
• A few Death Masks
• A Grail

Pretty sure we were getting Eviscerators on the Sprue, no? 

[Alternis]

5 hours ago, Blindhamster said:

If the upgrade sprue is overtly deathcompany, I for one will be incredibly disappointed 

Im a Blood Angels purist at heart, even though I do play other armies. 

 

But BA without Death Company focus when needed is pretty much removing a huge identity of the faction, as if this army structure in 10th didn’t already gut several chapters identity, everyone feels like different colour ultramarines atm, but GW have put effort in to try and restore alil identity as seen with DA and recently BA. 
 

but back on Topic, I think some DC focus for BA this edition is good and Healthy for long term. 
 

as next edition the next update will probably be Sanguinary focus (Sang Priest, Corbulo) and if we’re lucky, maybe a returned Sanguinius, as the new Sanguinor is reportedly NOT Primarch sized model, so leaves room for a big centerpiece Primarch to still be added to our faction

 

Edit: yes I realise any mention of a returned Sanguinius is a very divisive subject, but it’s still a likely outcome for next edition 

Edited July 27 by Alternis
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[Blindhamster]

8 minutes ago, Alternis said:

Im a Blood Angels purist at heart, even thought I do play other armies. 

 

But BA without Death Company focus when needed is pretty much removing a huge identity of the faction, as if this army structure in 10th didn’t already gut several chapters identity, everyone feels like different colour ultramarines atm, but GW have put effort in to try and restore alil identity as seen with DA and recently BA. 
 

but back on Topic, I think some DC focus for BA this edition is good and Healthy for long term. 
 

as next edition if we’re lucky the next update will be Sanguinary focus (Sang Priest, Corbulo) and if we’re lucky, maybe a returned Sanguinius, as the new Sanguinor is reportedly NOT Primarch sized model, so leaves room for a big centerpiece Primarch to still be added to our faction

Don’t get me wrong, death company are important. BUT I absolutely hate when GW do rule releases and model releases where it’s the sole focus. Lore wise death company numbers are never that high outside of a few specific warp scenarios causing a company to succumb. 
 

as a result, I’d much prefer to have the sprue focus on the broader blood angel range but have the actual death company rules benefit from a bit of a boost. The old death company models (metal versions in 2nd and 3rd) were good for this, the sculpting on them was blood angel, rather than “death company”. And that’s what I’d prefer. I like to have a squad of them because it’s part of the lore, I don’t like the idea of being shoehorned into death company is what the chapter is… because it isnt

 

basically, I want a broadly applicable sprue, not one that’s going to have dumb sculpted crosses on non death company marines.

 

as far as longer term focus goes, I don’t see the primarch returning. And that’s fine 

 

p.s. not totally sure what a blood angels purist would be, but having played them almost exclusively since 2nd edition outside of a small blip of space wolves briefly in 3rd and a bit of fun with death watch units back when it was an elite choice only. They’re all I’ve ever really done. So I guess I am too.

Edited July 27 by Blindhamster

[ZeroWolf]

2 hours ago, Alternis said:

Im a Blood Angels purist at heart, even though I do play other armies. 

 

But BA without Death Company focus when needed is pretty much removing a huge identity of the faction, as if this army structure in 10th didn’t already gut several chapters identity, everyone feels like different colour ultramarines atm, but GW have put effort in to try and restore alil identity as seen with DA and recently BA. 
 

but back on Topic, I think some DC focus for BA this edition is good and Healthy for long term. 
 

as next edition the next update will probably be Sanguinary focus (Sang Priest, Corbulo) and if we’re lucky, maybe a returned Sanguinius, as the new Sanguinor is reportedly NOT Primarch sized model, so leaves room for a big centerpiece Primarch to still be added to our faction

 

Edit: yes I realise any mention of a returned Sanguinius is a very divisive subject, but it’s still a likely outcome for next edition 

I think ole Sang would be one of the last primarchs to return to be fair, his resurrection would need to be seeded through multiple narratives. In all likelihood, they'll continue with the 'lost' primarchs like Leman, Vulkan or the khan for example. Heck they could tie the loyalist to which ever traitor Primarch for example (Perturabo vs Dorn etc...) still leaves Sanguinius dead for the foreseeable future.

[Kryczek]

Thank you for saving me a lot of typing @Blindhamster.  I see the DC as basically a paint job now and hope we get more of the bling that was in the old tactical squad box instead of crosses and skulls.  Better spread through the bland primaris than more stuff on an easily identifiable and rareish unit.

 

What is peaking my interest, when compared to the DA https://www.warhammer.com/en-GB/shop/dark-angels-upgrades-and-transfers-2024?queryID=3e191fc1f53a6abc6f494fc9f468e43c sprue, is what we'll get instead of the watcher, ravenwing bits and the plasma cannon as that's a fair bit of sprue to fill up. Everything else will be as is but BA.

 

All I really want to see is Astorath to complete the big 3 in primaris.

[Rhavien]

Unfortunately this doesn't get me excited as it should. Both Lemartes and Astaroth tied together with assault intercessors which I have plenty, jump assault intercessor which I don't like (converted my own) and finally a brutalis which I already have and don't want to build and paint another one. But I'm absolutely into blood angels and probably will buy this box anyway... Who am I kidding. Maybe I'll try to sell the stuff I don't need.