Kill Team Kill Team Termination GSC vs Votann

[sitnam]

3 hours ago, Urauloth said:

These models are awesome. Seeing that Cadian brood brother upgrade set makes me wonder if you can kitbash Cadians with the Blooded Kill Team if you're of a more chaotic bent, though.

The YouTube channel Tabletop Time did a great kitbash of the new Cadians last year

[beefeb]

Hernkyn are awful....comedy cut designs, weird coats which ruin the hightech look of the votann void suits which are a huge plus point of their design in the first place....a big miss on an army with huge potential which got off to a great start then fizzled out through lack of effort.

 

Brood brothers are ok, but lazy....its basically a single upgrade sprue added to 5+ year old models and some of the new cadians with heads and trinkets glued on.

 

Terrain...lackluster...two giant boxes basically.

 

Typical of GW's current lazy output on anything other than their flagship ranges....rehashed old products, and minimal effort....def miss for me.

[Agrest_IW]

Any one price info ?

[Redcomet]

I had completely forgotten about this

[grailkeeper]

Guys in winter coats fighting unknown alien terrors. Here are some of their ancestors from the core.

 

[Rusted Boltgun]

I am surprised to learn this is the final box for this terrain but I guess they have have run out of mission variants and additional terrain bitz rather than Kill Teams they could release.

 

It feels a bit odd when the previous two seasons had four boxes and this one only makes it to three. Perhaps Ashes of Faith ate into the production budget / cycle?

 

I had though that this would end with Ad Mech appearing as this was 'their' terrain and there was a race to save tech before it was all destroyed / plundered.

 

Whilst the additional terrain in this set is a couple of boxes, they add a decent amount of height to mix things up again and aren't as slabby as the last one.

[silverstu]

2 hours ago, Agrest_IW said:

Any one price info ?

 €115/£85 [someone posted the prices on the Grand Alliance]

Edited May 27 by silverstu

[Matrindur]

1 hour ago, Agrest_IW said:

Any one price info ?

 

115€ so another 5€ increase over Nightmare which was already an 5€ increase over Salvation

 

[Bouargh]

1 hour ago, Rusted Boltgun said:

I am surprised to learn this is the final box for this terrain but I guess they have have run out of mission variants and additional terrain bitz rather than Kill Teams they could release.

 

The overall surprise for me is more tan this season looks like it has been far poorer in terms of content than the previous ones. It "misses" something or at least it leaves a bitter sweet taste. Let me explain.

 

First most of the KT so far have been IMHO 40k releases in disguise. There is little stuff related to how a KT party might look like in this season, within potential exception of the Votanns to come. Other kits are just upcycled and lack the character of a KT that Kaserkin or Navybreachers had. Or at least it is how I feel it. But I am also aware it has been the case in the past already, although some references such as Phobos Primaris were better balanced to compete efficiently in both systems. Even Dark Eldars fitted better in the roosters...

Second, the terrain itself is a miss. A miss because the kits are not released as stand alone basis (for the moment) and a miss because once you combine with the Bheta-Decima box in KT, it is just disapointing. For me KT is a game that should be rooted deeply in the environment / Killzone, and sadly there is no Killzone as worthy as it used to be in this season.

And third, the season is short, too short. 

EDIT: And fourth, the releases are accelerating. As if planning has been set feet over head, and does not leave time to objectively enjoy the past release.

 

I hope this is a transition scheme, because, frankly, it does loose incentive for the game in its current state of valor. Previous issuances with Orkburg, Arena, RT, Boarding... had mor attractivness if you ask me.

 

In the end, the season is shorter, but this is may be for a good.    

Edited May 27 by Bouargh
and fourth...

[Matrindur]

1 hour ago, Rusted Boltgun said:

I am surprised to learn this is the final box for this terrain but I guess they have have run out of mission variants and additional terrain bitz rather than Kill Teams they could release.

 

Where did you get the info that this would be the last box for this season? 

It wouldn't be too surprising with how much we are hearing about the next "flying" season for a while now and with the smaller boxes this might just have been a filler season anyway but still

Edited May 27 by Matrindur

[Rusted Boltgun]

6 minutes ago, Matrindur said:

 

Where did you get the info that this would be the last box for this season? 

It wouldn't be too surprising with how much we are hearing about the next "flying" season for a while now and with the smaller boxes this might just have been a filler season anyway but still

It was in the initial post on this thread - the link to the video. The video refers to this box as 'climactic' but that is the only reference I have found. 

[TrevorLoLz]

Glad to see another unit for the Leagues of Votaan. I don't mind the design of the Yaegirs - the rugged mountaineer look is cool, and the Votaan definitely need another Troops choice for variety of play.

 

I do believe that Games Workshop dropped the ball with the Votaan - very limited selection of units and characters, and no supporting Black Library releases, etc. to flesh out an entirely new faction. I like how the Killteam boxes are being used to round out the different factions, and introduce new ideas.

[LSM]

5 hours ago, beefeb said:

Hernkyn are awful....comedy cut designs, weird coats which ruin the hightech look of the votann void suits which are a huge plus point of their design in the first place....a big miss on an army with huge potential which got off to a great start then fizzled out through lack of effort.

 

Different strokes for different folks.

 

I personally dislike the Hearthkyn void suits (not for any particular reason - they just don't click with me), same with the Hearthguard. The models I do like from the range are the Kâhl, the Brôkhyr, and the Hernkyn Pioneers - who all have some sort of cape or coat-as-cape. Again, not sure why, but it really helps the models work for me.

 

(I do agree that the couple of Hernkyn Yaegirs with their coats buttoned up look less good. But I'm also someone who wishes there were proportionally more Ironkyn and scifi-punk-biker heads, as those are the aspects that speak to me, and... they don't speak to me enough to actually start a collection, so my opinion on Votannic fashion counts for little. But if I ever won the lottery and had the time to dip my toes into them, I'd do an entirely Hernkyn focussed force.)

[ZeroWolf]

3 hours ago, Matrindur said:

 

115€ so another 5€ increase over Nightmare which was already an 5€ increase over Salvation

 

Couldn't that price increase coincide with the GW price increase in general?

[Matrindur]

4 minutes ago, ZeroWolf said:

Couldn't that price increase coincide with the GW price increase in general?

 

Yes it does but one price increase isn't surprising. Its the fact they increases the price twice. I hope its just because this box also includes the Broodcoven but I wouldn't bet on it

[beefeb]

18 hours ago, LSM said:

 

Different strokes for different folks.

 

I personally dislike the Hearthkyn void suits (not for any particular reason - they just don't click with me), same with the Hearthguard. The models I do like from the range are the Kâhl, the Brôkhyr, and the Hernkyn Pioneers - who all have some sort of cape or coat-as-cape. Again, not sure why, but it really helps the models work for me.

 

(I do agree that the couple of Hernkyn Yaegirs with their coats buttoned up look less good. But I'm also someone who wishes there were proportionally more Ironkyn and scifi-punk-biker heads, as those are the aspects that speak to me, and... they don't speak to me enough to actually start a collection, so my opinion on Votannic fashion counts for little. But if I ever won the lottery and had the time to dip my toes into them, I'd do an entirely Hernkyn focussed force.)

 

 

Absolutely, if we didnt differ on tastes, we would all field the one same blob of mediocre models.

 

Its the look of the Hearthkyn that is the main appeal for me, i think the designers really hit perfection with that look...the mixture of hard plate sections and softer undersuit, and the helmet mountings are just spot on.  

 

They are a decent army to start....and easy to get a small (no pun intended) force painted up fairly quickly.

[Lord Marshal]

22 hours ago, ZeroWolf said:

Couldn't that price increase coincide with the GW price increase in general?

 

I think it's because you get the Brood Coven in there. I was actually dreading it being higher for that reason, but I guess like the Chaos Cultist team they're not models that shift too well normally (especially after Shadow Throne).

[davextreme]

On 5/27/2024 at 5:47 AM, Bouargh said:

 

And fourth, the releases are accelerating.   

 

We've basically had a year of disrupted shipping. I can imagine they had a plan for roughly quarterly releases, but then:

 

* Ashes of Faith was moved up from summer to spring (just weeks after Gallowfall) so that 40K's 10th edition could have the summer to itself.

* Salvation was late. It was previewed in late summer and probably intended to ship mid-fall but didn't come until Dec ’23.

* Nightmare was pushed back accordingly. If Salvation has shipped in October, it would have been expected roughly in January. Instead it came in April.

* Termination gets us nearly back on schedule. They could bump it but again presumably want to channel their marketing efforts into the new AoS.

 

Again, assuming a plan of quarterly releases, we should have had AoF summer, Salvation fall, Nightmare winter, Termination spring.

 

Also post-Termination we have no information, so expect a bunch of griping from the community that the game has been forgotten until they show another box or tease a new edition (for maybe fall if it's on time).

[brother_b]

Are people playing KT in your area? Just a general question as it seems nobody plays where I’m at. I live in a college town too, with a fairly healthy gaming community.

 

I’m interested in the set and may get it to have two teams ready to go. I did play the game way back in the day, but it never really caught on with us.

[Lord Marshal]

WarCom article on the Brood Brothers. Not much new in there, but I'm not sure we've seen the Sapper before until now.

 

Edited May 28 by Lord Marshal

[phandaal]

44 minutes ago, brother_b said:

Are people playing KT in your area? Just a general question as it seems nobody plays where I’m at. I live in a college town too, with a fairly healthy gaming community.

 

I’m interested in the set and may get it to have two teams ready to go. I did play the game way back in the day, but it never really caught on with us.

 

Not many in my city as far as I can tell (honestly more chatter about Moonstone than any other skirmish game, somehow), but the local stores all get plenty of boxes and move them fast enough. Seems like people are buying the models for collectibles or using them in 40k.

[Bouargh]

1 hour ago, brother_b said:

Are people playing KT in your area? Just a general question as it seems nobody plays where I’m at. I live in a college town too, with a fairly healthy gaming community.

 

I’m interested in the set and may get it to have two teams ready to go. I did play the game way back in the day, but it never really caught on with us.

 

Yes. Most people where I am that are playing GW games favour the ones with limited amount of miniatures: KT, underworld, necromunda or warcry. Mainly because there is almost no FLGS and no GW (closest is 3:30 away minimum, and then you have to come back). So you minimize the shortage of contenders of the big flagship games (favoured by the scarity of sellers) by favouring instead low entry cost games and forces built from one or two self sustained boxed sets.

[DemonGSides]

25 minutes ago, Bouargh said:

 

Yes. Most people where I am that are playing GW games favour the ones with limited amount of miniatures: KT, underworld, necromunda or warcry. Mainly because there is almost no FLGS and no GW (closest is 3:30 away minimum, and then you have to come back). So you minimize the shortage of contenders of the big flagship games (favoured by the scarity of sellers) by favouring instead low entry cost games and forces built from one or two self sustained boxed sets.

 

If there's no LGS to play at where are games being held?  Genuine question, every place I've ever played in public has been either in a game store or game store affiliated (Like they hosted a tournament at a local hotel convention hall cuz they had so much interest but still being put on by an LGS).

[Noserenda]

Ill be grabbing the box if its still around at midday with the intention of expanding my necromunda collection to the state of being a small 40k army and the squats&terrain are nice to have. Myself and one of our group were pretty keen on KT a while back but never being able to actually get the release boxes and less than compelling gameplay mean we dont play actual Kill team very often! 

[Bouargh]

2 hours ago, DemonGSides said:

 

If there's no LGS to play at where are games being held?  Genuine question, every place I've ever played in public has been either in a game store or game store affiliated (Like they hosted a tournament at a local hotel convention hall cuz they had so much interest but still being put on by an LGS).

Social clubs. Associations. Libraries with ludotecas. And bars and cafes with gaming nights.