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[Crimson Longinus]

As for the venerable dread, I hope they prioritise looking good over any lore consistency. The lore is mess anyway, I really don't care; I want the dread to fit the current aesthetic whilst looking cool.

 

Frankly, now that all the minimarines will be gone, I wish they'd just retcon away the whole primaris lore and just say that this is how the 40K marines are and this is the gear they have, without it all having to be a brand new invention. 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 04:33 PM by Crimson Longinus

[Nephaston]

3 hours ago, Evil Eye said:

"Still. Could be worse...And then it was!"

 

Camera pans to Invictor utterly failing at sneaking up behind Eldar lines, who are too busy splitting their sides laughing at Brother May's noisy, stubber-encrusted "stealth walker" to end his humiliation with a well-placed shuriken though the rollcage.

 

"Oh, cock."

 

Ahem.

 

The best arguments I can see for Venerable Redemptors are either them either having served long enough without burning out their occupant that they've become an actual veteran (somewhat unlikely but possible), the machine itself having served for a long time even if it's gotten through multiple pilots (suitably grimdark but missing the point a bit), or an older Dreadnought's chassis having been irreparably crippled but the Astartes within being unharmed, so the sarcophagus is transferred to a newer, suitably decorated hull (my favourite option as the hero in question is a genuine, ancient veteran and bits of his previous tomb are retained on his new body, Ship of Theseus style).

 

I'd still argue that stealth isn't just being silent and sneaky, especially on battlefield of the future that may as well be deafening, but less loud than other vehicles in the same theater,  using scrambling to avoid detection, and smart manoeuvring.

 

Love the ship of theseus dreadnought idea, definitely gonna steal that if GW doesn't.

[Jukkiz]

2 hours ago, NorthernUltramarines said:

 

Good point! I think the actual 'base' of the dreadnought would have to significantly change to reflect that, maybe to something a bit older "30k" esc? Be interesting to see if they change it significantly or just cover it in purity seals and some engravings.

Knowing GW it´s gonna be another redemptor with different arms/weapons, faceplate/chassis face and maybe some "add these whereever you like" parts. Most cost effective for them to not done goof the old molds, while adding another 5-10dollaroos to price. 

Still waiting multipart ballistus 

[Evil Eye]

33 minutes ago, Nephaston said:

I'd still argue that stealth isn't just being silent and sneaky, especially on battlefield of the future that may as well be deafening, but less loud than other vehicles in the same theater,  using scrambling to avoid detection, and smart manoeuvring.

 

For certain- it was the first example I could think of for James May to make a fool of himself with in Top Gear 40,000. Tonight! I cross the Rubicon Primaris backwards, James flips a Land Raider upside down, and Richard nearly brings an Exterminatus down on Terra! Yeah, I'd watch that. Looking forwards to seeing the Person of High Rank in a Reasonably Blessed Tank segment especially.

 

I actually don't hate the Invictor as a model, though personally I don't think it quite works for 40K. Tempted to grab one as the basis for a non-40K cyberpunk police mecha thingy though.

 

[Wispy]

6 hours ago, phandaal said:

 

How does a Redemptor become "venerable" anyway?

 

Is is like the Top Gear meme with two techmarines looking at a 5,000-year-old dreadnought chassis like "this is venerable, yes, but I like this one." *points at squeaky clean brand new Redemptor chassis*

It's the "pilot" that's venerable not the chassis.They probably recover way more intact sarcophagi after a battle than they do chassis. Lord knows how often my dreadnoughts were wrecked or immobilized in 5th edition.

[Jukkiz]

I´ve had a study about these new redemptor dreadnought kits and noticed that there´s couple easy parts GW might make into venerable options. 

The knee+front of shin piece is almost same on brutalis and redemptor variants. Only difference is that brutalis has that primarinade kneerim and shinplate has little more armor. 


The brutalis also has hip plates as extra armor, just like primarinade mk. X armor. This could be something to get laurels or such. 


And then we come to the box itself. The sargophagus face is another easy part that could be made with different looks easily. 


And dreadnought armor itself could be easily molded with venerable icons and markings. The armor is just slapped unto frame and front plates are different per dreadnought roles. Venerable could get proper ornate collar, for example 

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

6 hours ago, Crimson Longinus said:

As for the venerable dread, I hope they prioritise looking good over any lore consistency. The lore is mess anyway, I really don't care; I want the dread to fit the current aesthetic whilst looking cool.

 

Frankly, now that all the minimarines will be gone, I wish they'd just retcon away the whole primaris lore and just say that this is how the 40K marines are and this is the gear they have, without it all having to be a brand new invention. 

 

 

I’d want it to match to OG venerable dread aesthetic.

[Dark Shepherd]

Dark Angels players would get jealous but some super ornate bikes and or skinny outriders would work for Sisters' aesthetic (not cav)

[Orange Knight]

10 minutes ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

I’d want it to match to OG venerable dread aesthetic.

 

Which OG Venerable? There were quite a few.

 

The metal one looked really naff in my opinion. 

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

2 hours ago, Orange Knight said:

 

Which OG Venerable? There were quite a few.

 

The metal one looked really naff in my opinion. 

There can only be one original…

 

the metal one that actually looks venerable instead of just another boxnaught

[jaxom]

The Mk4 with triangular clipper fingers? I’m not a dreadnought expert, that’s just the oldest I can think of.

[Wispy]

1 hour ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

There can only be one original…

 

the metal one that actually looks venerable instead of just another boxnaught

This is an ugly model. The expectation vs reality on opening that pewter lump was so stark.

 

The chapter-specific Forgeworld venersble set the tone for what Vegetables can and should be.

 

The plastic kit is inferior in that respect but I celebrate it's customization and modularity. It also does a better "chapter agnostic" dreadnought than the one agnostic one FW did.

[01RTB01]

2 minutes ago, Wispy said:

The chapter-specific Forgeworld venersble set the tone for what Vegetables can and should be.

 

 

I know they're interred in a dread but I'm not sure this is politically correct anymore...

[sitnam]

15 hours ago, Castellan Wulfrik said:

Yeah, the idea of Sisters of Battle cavalry is... underwhelming. I wish they would come up with something more original than just giving every army a variant of the same unit, in this case cavalry, we had the same thing with the nundams that just didn't match the overall flavour of the army. It feels like by the numbers army design and lacking in any originality. Give me kamakazi cherubs and a tank with a choir of sonic equipped sisters riding on top, a siege tower super heavy on tracks shaped like a steeple. You can go crazy with Sisters as the representatives of the nuttier side of the Imperium. Instead we get 'Sisters mechs, sisters shield unit, sisters scouts, sisters cavalry'. Out of all the new units we've received since the range reboot the only was that's captured my imagination is the goated Triumph of St Kat. The new Superior in the walking chair is also great but it's more of a reimaginging of the old Inquisitor Karamazarazavov model than something completely new. 

I hate the idea of Sisters Cav, and I'm not a big fan of Novitiates, but I love my Nundams. They are by and far my favorite Sisters unit. 

Also, even though I don't have any yet I think the Celestian Insidiants are fantastic and fairly unique to the Sisters. They share a role with Sisters of Silence, but have their own unique spin on the anti-psyker infantry archetype. 

[Orange Knight]

7 hours ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

There can only be one original…

 

the metal one that actually looks venerable instead of just another boxnaught

 

I disagree.

The plastic Venerable and the various Forgeworld designs from back in the day were all superior in my eyes.

That's not to say that they can't take some elements from it, I just don't see it as the definitive example of it's time.

 

[Robbienw]

The metal venerable was a great model, really gave the feel it was a dreadnought rebuilt and customized over millenia.  The only thing i didn't like about it was the combination of the thickness of the shin plate decoration and the stabiliser spikes on the feet it, it affected the leg silhoutte a bit.  It looked much better if you replaced the feet with normal ones from the plastic kits.

 

The plastic kit is superb, love how you could customise it.

 

Forgeworld venerables were absolutely brilliant models with no exceptions.  The only issue was they didn't manage to do one for all loyalist founding chapters like BA and IH before they moved on to doing contemptors.

[MoriyaSchism]

The whole bit about Redemptors burning out the pilot doesn't feel like a good fit for a Venerable Dreadnought. You wouldn't want to boil your honoured veterans alive. It could be a nice looking model, but I'm not sure about how they would convey the age of the machine and occupant with the Redemptor. 2 centuries feels a bit young for a Venerable Dreadnought. 

 

I like the Redemptor without the armoured plates that slide over the sarcophagus, but if I had to choose between a new Redemptor release or a new plastic version of the Forgeworld Mark IV, I would pick the Mark IV Castraferrum every time. If they make it a modular kit like all the other Heresy vehicle kits they could sell the Ironclad and Siege dreadnought parts as separate sprues for it. 

[Orange Knight]

34 minutes ago, MoriyaSchism said:

The whole bit about Redemptors burning out the pilot doesn't feel like a good fit for a Venerable Dreadnought. You wouldn't want to boil your honoured veterans alive. It could be a nice looking model, but I'm not sure about how they would convey the age of the machine and occupant with the Redemptor. 2 centuries feels a bit young for a Venerable Dreadnought. 

 

I like the Redemptor without the armoured plates that slide over the sarcophagus, but if I had to choose between a new Redemptor release or a new plastic version of the Forgeworld Mark IV, I would pick the Mark IV Castraferrum every time. If they make it a modular kit like all the other Heresy vehicle kits they could sell the Ironclad and Siege dreadnought parts as separate sprues for it. 

 

Does the chapter know it does?

To me this is just another grim-dark bit of lore. Although, in a morbid way, it's actually a mercy for the pilots.

 

Look at what has happened to Bjorn.

[Crimson Longinus]

53 minutes ago, Robbienw said:

The metal venerable was a great model, really gave the feel it was a dreadnought rebuilt and customized over millenia.  The only thing i didn't like about it was the combination of the thickness of the shin plate decoration and the stabiliser spikes on the feet it, it affected the leg silhoutte a bit.  It looked much better if you replaced the feet with normal ones from the plastic kits.

 

Then change the fluff. Ven dread needs to look big and imposing, and to fit the current aesthetic, it needs to be redemptor-based. If the fluff gets in the way, the fluff needs to go. 

 

53 minutes ago, Robbienw said:

I like the Redemptor without the armoured plates that slide over the sarcophagus,

 

I agree that it looks better without them or open. 

 

And I like some aspects of castaferrum, but overall the design is not great. Though redemptor is not perfect either. I'd prefer mostly redemptor, with a hint of castaferrum. This is basically how I converted my dreads. 

 

 

Spoiler

 

[Nephaston]

The burning out tidbit also hasn't been mentioned in a while, iirc the last two codecies omitted it. I wouldn't mind if that detail was dropped, or moved to the brutalis, as I think it is a better fit for that one.

 

Also give me a banner topper for it pl0x

[Robbienw]

It does not need to be Redemptor based.  Could easily just upscale the Castareferrum and detail the leg joints better.

[Ramell]

9 minutes ago, Nephaston said:

The burning out tidbit also hasn't been mentioned in a while, iirc the last two codecies omitted it. I wouldn't mind if that detail was dropped, or moved to the brutalis, as I think it is a better fit for that one.

 

Also give me a banner topper for it pl0x

It's mentioned in the 10th ed. Codex Space Marines, page 30.

[Dezron]

Honestly I hope that Venerable Dread will get some exotic weapons (Grav, Volkite, etc.), maybe Dread-sized melee weapon since that would look (and isn't that what 99% Venerable Dread are about?) and obviously big Chapter Standard.

As for SoB's horse(-like) cavalery? Actually excited, hoping they will do with something intresting with them like they did with Serberys Raiders/Sulphurhounds.

Slightly less excited for new Battlewagon, but only because I was hoping for new unit to expand Ork motor pool (like for example an Ork Tank that isn't just looted).

[Marshal Reinhard]

The venerable dreadnought we're discussing is this one, right? 

 

I.. have never liked this particular dreadnought, even back when it was new. Especially don't care for the toe claws. It just feels like a bunch of things were added onto a more bare dreadnought.

 

That said I understand how formative this piece has been to all venerable dreads since. Like the plastic variant that came after I don't have any dislike for, or all the Forgeworld venerable chapter specifics (I'd KILL for a BT upgrade of that caliber to a modern dreadnought). 

 

I dunno I just do not like GW's execution of more detailed dreadnoughts from around this time. I also recall immensely disliking the original first Ironclad dreadnought as well, while the Forgeworld version of the same is a work of art.

[Ayatollah_of_Rock_n_Rolla]

22 hours ago, Dezron said:

 

I'm afraid to ask, but why such reaction?

 

 

1). Cavalry is always goofy in sci fi settings. This is why it's usually relegated to "backward" societies. In the Imperium this role is filled by the Guard and even within it cavalry is supposed to be unpopular. You can see it also with Craftworlders-Exodites, Tau-Kroot (and Orks, although I don't like either Squighog Boys or giant chariots and I think that both are really pushing what is fit for 40k Orks). SoB don't fit this pattern.

2). We've seen how GW imagines "high-tech" cavalry and I think that Thunderwolves, Serberys and Lord Solar are all ridiculous, two first straighforward infantile. I would also note, that I wasn't blown away by either plastic Attilans or Death Riders. 

3). With SoB aesthetics and GW subtelty, we are getting Bretonnians in space with heavy handed nods to Jeane d'Arc.

4). Not every faction needs to have analogs to other factions' units. It's OK not to have a biker susbstitute.