Codex: Space Marines | Multi-Part Intercessor & Vanguard Vet Teaser | Legends Culling

[Lathe Biosas]

In the meantime, you can just spray paint your Centurions and firstborn Marines silver and run them as Grey Knights. 

 

(Centurions and Dreadknights are both so ugly most players can't look directly at them during a game, so you should be fine.)

[DemonGSides]

3 hours ago, Mogger351 said:

What on earth are they giving to some of the other forces in the interim?

 

2 wound gaunts, s6 ap-1 pulse rifles, lethal hits t5 necron warriors? What is the plan here to make it so nobody else sucks for years?

 

Nothing?  Space Marines do not play like how most people would assume they do from the lore; they are borderline a horde army with how many bodies you can stack in a list, for an army that's supposed to represent an elite special forces type unit that traditionally works alongside more standard battlefield army set-ups.

 

Now they'll be priced higher and hit more in line with where most people's expectations are.  My personal experience is that no one had any issue removing T4 bodies, and I don't think T5 really changes things that much; people seem more than capable of removing T6 Plague Marine bodies without too much consternation so I don't think T5 is some crazy new breakpoint; lasguns still hit the same.

[RedFox]

finally i can do whatever the **** i want with my rhino.

 

I hope the razerback (event though it's legend) can also carry primaris.

[Emperor Ming]

Good who didn't hate centurions

[Firedrake Cordova]

There's already a thread for this.

[Lathe Biosas]

Just now, Emperor Ming said:

Good who didn't hate centurions

 

Raven Guard players. I swear they were the sole buyers of Centurions in 10th Edition.

[NothingHere]

This kind of just cements that marines aren't allowed to be interesting or cool anymore. You get a sliver of something interesting (like the new captain on bike) or a holdout of something that realistically shouldn't ever be retired and has been around since the inception of modern 40k. 

 

Now Marines are just Eldar. What is cool about this faction again? That we get 300 new models every week and only 2 of them are worth a damn? Why play another faction when we just shove everything into this one with nothing unique of their own. Hover tanks? Play Marines, Jetbikes? Play Marines, Aspect Warriors? What the :cuss: is an Eldar? PLAY MARINES. 

 

The tactical squad isn't even going to legends they are just straight up deleting it. Nothing to even replace it either; Intercessors are as boring as they ever were. Now all the actually cool tanks are gone too. Glad i bought another Baal Predator before they become 400$ on the aftermarket. Good riddance to the bunker and supressors i guess. 

[Emperor Ming]

:cuss: t6 termies, t5 marines, its getting out of hand now

 

Power creep on steroids

 

 

[TheWarmaster]

2 hours ago, Astartes Consul said:

Uriel Ventris character mogged by the Chad Captain Titus. RIP.

 

On a more serious note, seeing GW officially embrace proxies like this is something I never thought I’d see. 

 

Officially embracing proxies.. for now. 

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

2 hours ago, Ahzek451 said:

Curious about chaos. 

 

Careful. That's how it starts.

 

2 hours ago, SpecialIssue said:

Interesting how they've gotten rid of Suppressors as well - while I welcome it (they look far too over-designed and visually unbalanced to me) I'me surprised GW would walk back on a unit so (relatively) quickly. 

 

The Suppressors have become the suppressed.

 

Edited Monday at 07:25 PM by Lord Nord in Gravis Armour

[phandaal]

7 minutes ago, Emperor Ming said:

Good who didn't hate centurions

 

I like them... But I'll admit I have no idea how to do anything useful with them except show my opponent they are facing a true man of culture.

[Lathe Biosas]

11 minutes ago, Emperor Ming said:

t6 termies, t5 marines, its getting out of hand now

 

Power creep on steroids

 

 

 

Imagine what Bobby G and the Lion are going to look like.

[Tawnis]

I'd originally put this in one of the other threads about this topic, but this seems to be where everyone is discussing it at the moment. 

 

There is another thing to consider. They said that the old Tactical Squads will now be "Legendary Proxies" and can count as Intercessor Squads... however, the old Tacticals had a variety of special weapons they could equip. Is this hinting that in the new codex, Intercessor Squads will get some of the weapon customization options that the old Tacticals had? 

 

The pic on Warcom only said what they were showing was "some of the weapon profiles" 

[Evil Eye]

Glad I bought a Vindicator when I did now.

 

A sad day for sure to see the last vestiges of real non-Poochie Marines gone, also straight-up erasing Devastators and having them counts-as Desolators is pathetic. Yes, the variety of ways you can build and equip Devastators is totally represented on the tabletop by those stupid Nerf guns...

 

I did have a spiteful cackle to see Suppressors in the bin where they belong though.

[Sete]

Hmm stronger and tougher marines. Love it

[Doghouse]

4 minutes ago, Tawnis said:

I'd originally put this in one of the other threads about this topic, but this seems to be where everyone is discussing it at the moment. 

 

There is another thing to consider. They said that the old Tactical Squads will now be "Legendary Proxies" and can count as Intercessor Squads... however, the old Tacticals had a variety of special weapons they could equip. Is this hinting that in the new codex, Intercessor Squads will get some of the weapon customization options that the old Tacticals had? 

 

The pic on Warcom only said what they were showing was "some of the weapon profiles" 

 

It's possible I guess, I think it's probably more likely all will be counts as bolters. I am perfectly prepared to eat humble pie if they did open up those options and think that would be a good addition to them, never been a fan of the Heresy template for 40k squads.

[Borbarad]

That's an interesting shakeup of the old formula, I'm looking forward how it will play out.

 

That said, I was always a proponent of the T value being inherit to the physiology of the warrior (e.g. all space marines being the same T with extremely few eceptions) rather than representing toughness brought forth by armour and the like.

[Blindhamster]

2 minutes ago, Evil Eye said:

Glad I bought a Vindicator when I did now.

 

A sad day for sure to see the last vestiges of real non-Poochie Marines gone, also straight-up erasing Devastators and having them counts-as Desolators is pathetic. Yes, the variety of ways you can build and equip Devastators is totally represented on the tabletop by those stupid Nerf guns...

 

I did have a spiteful cackle to see Suppressors in the bin where they belong though.

 

to be fair, desolation squad have great rules. rubbish models. Now you can model a unit with the models you like and have carte blanche to ignore the models and have the great rules... so you can have them with the archetypal heavy bolters and not have the unit suck... for example. It's really not so bad there.

 

I'm sad to see suppressors go for the rules, the models were never good though. 

 

48 minutes ago, irlLordy said:

 

It seems like you only get one hammer for the Sgt. I do wonder if there will be any difference between swords and axes.

They will have Master Crafted Power Weapons, so no I reckon they'll all just the same rules, except the sergeant who i guess will mandatory need a hammer... in less we get a full relic blade profile for the two handed sword maybe.

[Subtleknife]

I feel they missed such a big opportunity with intercessors. They should have squished assault intercessors and intercessors together (which saves a datasheet).

 

Then given them both bolter and chainsword. For the 5th model, the marine can exchange his bolter for a plasma, melta or flamer etc. That way you could have quite a few unique actions from throwing grenades, chopping with the chainsword or aiming with the bolter etc. 

 

You would also have a super versatile unit for marines. I just don't see much difference from the old intercessor kit.

[Captain Idaho]

Huh, I remember more than a few people arguing so forthrightly that Firstborn are not being replaced and GW aren't replacing my financially expensive collection that I dedicated my finite time painting.

 

I guess I was completely overreacting.

Edited Monday at 07:50 PM by Captain Idaho

[MoriyaSchism]

5 minutes ago, Evil Eye said:

Glad I bought a Vindicator when I did now.

 

A sad day for sure to see the last vestiges of real non-Poochie Marines gone, also straight-up erasing Devastators and having them counts-as Desolators is pathetic. Yes, the variety of ways you can build and equip Devastators is totally represented on the tabletop by those stupid Nerf guns...

 

I did have a spiteful cackle to see Suppressors in the bin where they belong though.

When I heard the first rumours from Valrak I rushed out to buy three Predators, a Vindicator and a Whirlwind. I would have bought one or two more Rhino chassis vehicles, but no one bought my Inceptors. Thankfully the Rhino isn't going away any time soon, so I still have time to buy one more chassis for my Rhino Primaris upgrade frame in the future. 

[Doghouse]

6 minutes ago, Evil Eye said:

Glad I bought a Vindicator when I did now.

 

A sad day for sure to see the last vestiges of real non-Poochie Marines gone, also straight-up erasing Devastators and having them counts-as Desolators is pathetic. Yes, the variety of ways you can build and equip Devastators is totally represented on the tabletop by those stupid Nerf guns...

 

I did have a spiteful cackle to see Suppressors in the bin where they belong though.

 

I bought a couple of Predators purely based on the rumours. I don't regret buying them but seriously had to put on the rose tinted glasses to pretend it came anywhere near to as nice a kit as the Heresy one! 

[defl0]

Couple thoughts:

- no lightning claws? 

- I hope phobos get considerably better bolters as well. 

- RIP suppressors. They never even got a kit

[Blindhamster]

1 hour ago, MoriyaSchism said:

I would absolutely hate for that to happen. I hate the Horus Heresy 2.0/3.0 scale, weird Necromunda style scale with with nearly skintight helmets. It's Space Marine Heroes Series 1 but with tiny hands and heads, just looks off. 

pretty much guarantee that's the only way we see pure mk7 kits make a return. 

14 minutes ago, Tawnis said:

I'd originally put this in one of the other threads about this topic, but this seems to be where everyone is discussing it at the moment. 

 

There is another thing to consider. They said that the old Tactical Squads will now be "Legendary Proxies" and can count as Intercessor Squads... however, the old Tacticals had a variety of special weapons they could equip. Is this hinting that in the new codex, Intercessor Squads will get some of the weapon customization options that the old Tacticals had? 

 

The pic on Warcom only said what they were showing was "some of the weapon profiles" 

There is a full image in the video, no new weapon options

[MoriyaSchism]

16 minutes ago, Doghouse said:

 

I bought a couple of Predators purely based on the rumours. I don't regret buying them but seriously had to put on the rose tinted glasses to pretend it came anywhere near to as nice a kit as the Heresy one! 

Imagine if they just rolled out the redone FW Mars Pattern range with all the bells and whistles (razorback turrets, tarantula stand for said turrets, all the various missile launcher patterns, radomes/sensor packages and extra armour accessories). New Rhino chassis sculpts instead of the flying boxes that is Repulsor family. I like the quality of the plastic Deimos kits, but the Vindicator and Whirlwind Scorpius are the only Deimos Pattern vehicles I like. Round doors and exposed smoke stacks just aren't my thing. I do like Sicarans, Sabres and Arquitors a lot. Would be nice to see the last two in plastic. As much as I adore the look of the kit 150 euro for a single tank that's not even Land Raider size is insanity. 

If I had my way the Primaris range for generic Space Marines it would be 6 kits at most. Tactical Intercessors, Assault Intercessors (with or without jumpacks in the same box like the old assault squad), Primaris Devastators, one Phobos kit with all the options (Eliminator guns included), Vanguard and Sternguard Veterans. Mold and sprue space for all the superflous nonsense (like Inceptors, Aggressors, Heavy Intercessors, three different Phobos kits and so on) would be repurposed for vehicles and upgrade frames that are worth the price (not a collection of 30 bare heads with 10 helmets).

Edited Monday at 08:10 PM by MoriyaSchism