Contaminus Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Post changed to take the speculation out of the part that includes sources. I think it's a bit of a coincidence that a planet in Ultramar just so happens to be named after the adoptive father of the region's leader (at the time it was named). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/143429-realm-of-ultramar-astronomy-and-geography/page/2/#findComment-1662836 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 The population of Macragge is 400 million (116, 5e Rulebook) Tithe Grade is Aptus Non Orbital distance is 2.01 AU Aestimare: D0 (whatever that means) All from that same page. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/143429-realm-of-ultramar-astronomy-and-geography/page/2/#findComment-1662883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 (edited) Nvm. Apparently faulty memory. Edited August 13, 2008 by The Emperor's Champion Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/143429-realm-of-ultramar-astronomy-and-geography/page/2/#findComment-1662892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cptn. Palladorus Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 A cursory search of Wiki reveals that "aestimare" means roughly "estimate" in Latin. I wasn't able to find anything on its meaning for 40k, though, except that it seems to be related to the tithe grade. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/143429-realm-of-ultramar-astronomy-and-geography/page/2/#findComment-1663116 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Pariah Posted August 16, 2008 Author Share Posted August 16, 2008 I've started incorporating your contributions into the top post. There's a lot of material, so it'll take me a while to catch up. Keep it coming, brothers! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/143429-realm-of-ultramar-astronomy-and-geography/page/2/#findComment-1665286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Pariah Posted August 16, 2008 Author Share Posted August 16, 2008 (edited) Calth: The initial ground battle against the Word Bearers took place at a city by a valley. (Space Marine, 1989) Formaska: "Second moon of Macragge. A barren rock. There is nothing there." (Battle for the Abyss, p. 293) "The ancient primitives of Macragge thought that Formaska was the eye of a god, and that it was bloodshot with anger.... Sometimes, when the lava fields grew, they thought the eye had opened..." (Battle for the Abyss, p. 326) Edited August 16, 2008 by Brother Pariah Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/143429-realm-of-ultramar-astronomy-and-geography/page/2/#findComment-1665746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted August 16, 2008 Share Posted August 16, 2008 A thought on the meaning of aestimare: it might well refer to the estimated value of the tithe. The tithe grade is the approximate percentage, while the aestimare is how much that actually is in a quantity. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/143429-realm-of-ultramar-astronomy-and-geography/page/2/#findComment-1665764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Pariah Posted August 17, 2008 Author Share Posted August 17, 2008 I double-checked, and then moved the shipyards reference from Iax to Calth. I'm now caught up! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/143429-realm-of-ultramar-astronomy-and-geography/page/2/#findComment-1666127 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clanfield Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 i dont have the book any more but the 2nd eddition epic tyranid supplement has extensive background on the battle of macrage if anyone has it includeing the space battle above circie(sorry for bad spellings) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/143429-realm-of-ultramar-astronomy-and-geography/page/2/#findComment-1666129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Pariah Posted August 17, 2008 Author Share Posted August 17, 2008 Good idea! "[Marneus Calgar's] palace of brilliant white marble [was] perched high in rugged mountains above the glittering seas of Hera." (Codex Tyranids, 1995, p. 7) "Bleak, grey skies." (Codex Tyranids, 1995, p. 8) "Ringed world of Circe at the edge of the Macragge system." (Codex Tyranids, 1995, p. 8) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/143429-realm-of-ultramar-astronomy-and-geography/page/2/#findComment-1666149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 Aestimare is described on page 115 of the 5e rulebook as "(strategic value)". Whatever that means, exactly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/143429-realm-of-ultramar-astronomy-and-geography/page/2/#findComment-1666654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 (edited) Alrighty, I just went and read this. Castra Magna, the Ultramarines fortess, is located in the center of this (?) continent and was built upon a granite crag surrounded by black, impenetrable, splintered mountain ranges. (US WD 288, p. 112) The whole article in that WD. I call shenanigans on the whole Castra Magna thing UNLESS it's an alternate name or a title for the Fortress Hera which I suppose it could be. If it's not though I call shenanigans and declare it to be rubbish and also a pox upon whoever thought that up. (Sorry, I get a bit odd in my irritation at the mass inconsistencies in recent fluff. Inconsistencies between the really old stuff and the new stuff is understandable.) Edited August 18, 2008 by The Emperor's Champion Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/143429-realm-of-ultramar-astronomy-and-geography/page/2/#findComment-1667004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clanfield Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 codex ultramarines-realm of ultramar espandor was the world the Emperor came into contact with first hearing of the consul of macarage also a referance to the cuture of macarage and surounding systems being similar due to the people of macarage keeping in conatct during the age of strife dispite the loss of ships and crews Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/143429-realm-of-ultramar-astronomy-and-geography/page/2/#findComment-1667054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted August 19, 2008 Share Posted August 19, 2008 The Horus Heresy, Volume IV: Visions of Death, 2006 Calth - In one of the caverns is the Palace of Leptius Numinus (pg74) - On the surface are the Mountains of Twilight Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/143429-realm-of-ultramar-astronomy-and-geography/page/2/#findComment-1667935 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt tyranus Posted August 19, 2008 Share Posted August 19, 2008 Two quick points: - Castra Magna would basically be Latin for "Big Fort," so it could be another name for Hera. Or the author could have pulled it out of his ear. - Aestimare means, more or less, "to value, to rate, to esteem, to judge." Think estimate as well as esteem. So it probably does have to do with the Tithe Grade. Remember that Ultramar is the Feudal realm of the Ultramarines so it doesn't have to pay a tithe. That's probably where the D0 (zero) comes in. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/143429-realm-of-ultramar-astronomy-and-geography/page/2/#findComment-1668453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Pariah Posted August 21, 2008 Author Share Posted August 21, 2008 Macragge is described as a "blue jewel" (Inferno 44, p. 6) Macragge orbits "her star." The system seems not to be a binary or trinary or something. (Inferno 44, p. 6) "THE HALLS OF Marneus Calgar, Master of the Ultramarines were set atop the highest peak of the mountains, amidst the golden domes and marble-pillared temples of the Fortress of Hera. Though the day was hot, the air here was temperate, a fine mist of water from the rumbling Hera’s Falls sapping the worst of the heat. A perfectly symmetrical structure, the Chapter Master ’s chambers enclosed a central, sunken courtyard that was open to the azure sky above." (Inferno 44, p. 9) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/143429-realm-of-ultramar-astronomy-and-geography/page/2/#findComment-1670128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 *bump* Because I don't want this to wander off for a long time like the navy thread. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/143429-realm-of-ultramar-astronomy-and-geography/page/2/#findComment-1684607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 - Aestimare means, more or less, "to value, to rate, to esteem, to judge." Think estimate as well as esteem. So it probably does have to do with the Tithe Grade. Remember that Ultramar is the Feudal realm of the Ultramarines so it doesn't have to pay a tithe. That's probably where the D0 (zero) comes in. The 5th Edition Rulebook (p.115) states that 'Aestimare' means 'Strategic Value'. There's no explanation of quite what the alphanumeric code means, though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/143429-realm-of-ultramar-astronomy-and-geography/page/2/#findComment-1684712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Pariah Posted September 7, 2008 Author Share Posted September 7, 2008 *bump*Because I don't want this to wander off for a long time like the navy thread. :o Whoa! I forgot to update the top post! Soon I will, Brothers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/143429-realm-of-ultramar-astronomy-and-geography/page/2/#findComment-1684720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 ........annnnnd *BUMP* Cant's we get this stickied? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/143429-realm-of-ultramar-astronomy-and-geography/page/2/#findComment-1692807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Pariah Posted September 14, 2008 Author Share Posted September 14, 2008 Top post updated. I seem to recall that there was one account of the Battle of Calth that included 2-3 planets in the Calth system which were destroyed by the Word Bearers. Wish I could remember which book it was in. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/143429-realm-of-ultramar-astronomy-and-geography/page/2/#findComment-1693328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 Hmm, was it not Index Astartes Word Bearers? In fact, I would be willing to bet 20 pence on it! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/143429-realm-of-ultramar-astronomy-and-geography/page/2/#findComment-1693566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Pariah Posted September 14, 2008 Author Share Posted September 14, 2008 The information may be in there, but I think I read it somewhere else, as I don't seem to have that article. Perhaps it was in one of the Horus Heresy art books... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/143429-realm-of-ultramar-astronomy-and-geography/page/2/#findComment-1693633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Pariah Posted October 6, 2008 Author Share Posted October 6, 2008 "The Battle of Cold Steel Ridge was fought to delay the vast Tyranid swarm as it swept across the frozen northern seas.... The Tyranid swarm was barely slowed, and now nothing stood between it and the northern polar defense fortress..." (Warhammer 40,000 Apocalypse, p. 25 & 32) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/143429-realm-of-ultramar-astronomy-and-geography/page/2/#findComment-1718691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Pariah Posted October 8, 2008 Author Share Posted October 8, 2008 "As Roboute and his army approached Macragge City they saw the smoke from fires and hurried to investigate." This appears to have been the capital of Macragge's civilization during the times of the Great Crusade, situated in the inhabited areas south of Illyrium. (Codex Space Marines, 2008, p. 12.) "The Shrine of Guilliman... lies within the Temple of Correction, a vaulted sepulchre forming a small part of the Ultramarines' vast northern polar fortress." (Codex Space Marines, 2008, p. 15.) Regarding Quintarn, Tarentus and Masali: "These small planets form a triple world combination orbiting around a command centre of gravity much like the Earth and its moon." Finally... clarity! (Codex Space Marines, 2008, p. 15.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/143429-realm-of-ultramar-astronomy-and-geography/page/2/#findComment-1722016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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