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[Arez]

What happened to all of the brave soldiers who fought in the pack expansions??!!

 

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Remember alot of the Fang that participated in those left after that event.....if you cant remember PM and i'll tell ya

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

What happened to all of the brave soldiers who fought in the pack expansions??!!

 

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Remember alot of the Fang that participated in those left after that event.....if you cant remember PM and i'll tell ya

 

pm me whatever happened, please.

 

WLK

[Rayray]

What happened to all of the brave soldiers who fought in the pack expansions??!!

 

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Remember alot of the Fang that participated in those left after that event.....if you cant remember PM and i'll tell ya

 

pm me whatever happened, please.

 

WLK

same here.

[Forté]

There are other reasons too apart from that issue Arez. That has all been sorted so don't go fully into detail. Focus on the present and those awol may still return.

[Arez]

What happened to all of the brave soldiers who fought in the pack expansions??!!

 

End of Line

Remember alot of the Fang that participated in those left after that event.....if you cant remember PM and i'll tell ya

 

pm me whatever happened, please.

 

WLK

same here.

Will do to you both

 

There are other reasons too apart from that issue Arez. That has all been sorted so don't go fully into detail. Focus on the present and those awol may still return.

Aye,but that was a major part of it and im not going to reopen that wound to much for the reason that like you said those gone may return

[chezzie]

Ok. My ragnar's currently in the simple green.

 

I should know in a day or so if he's good to vow. If he is then I'll probably have to try and get him finished quickly (it's ok to finish a vow before the 15th right?) since it looks like I may have to go back into hospital for another OP on my elbow :|

 

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[CainTheHunter]

I, CainTheHunter, answer the challenge of the First Unimportant Legion and vow to complete a 10 Grey Hunter pack with Wolf Guard Battle Leader from Codex: Space Wolves of total value of 300 points on or before August 15. Success will bring eternal glory to Vlka Fenryka and failure will doom me to bear the sign of damnation until the year-end”

This vow will be completed in support of Brother Forte.

 

The Grey Hunters will have Wolf Standard, Power Weapon, 2 meltaguns and one model with the Mark of Wulfen (the old metal model). The Wolf Guard Battle Leader will have power fist and combi-melta.

[Kassill]

I, CainTheHunter, answer the challenge of the First Unimportant Legion and vow to complete a 9 Grey Hunter pack with Wolf Guard pack leader from Codex: Space Wolves of total value of 223 points on or before August 15. Success will bring eternal glory to Vlka Fenryka and failure will doom me to bear the sign of damnation until the year-end”

This vow will be completed in support of Brother Forte.

 

The Grey Hunters will have Wolf Standard, Power Weapon, meltagun and one model with the Mark of Wulfen (the old metal model). The Wolf Guard will have power fist and combi-melta.

 

 

Gonna have to make him a Wolf Guard Battle Leader as you have to get three before you can divy them up. Also, means more points for us. And welcome to the challenge brother! :(

[Captain Semper]

Welcome to the ETL CainTheHunter! Helping your brothers is crucial at this point! But keep in mind that Kassil is correct. What I'm gonna do is substitute your Wolf Guard pack leader with a Wolf Guard Battel Leader. I work it out at 270 pts. Let me know if you're OK with that and I'll update the front table.

 

Good luck! :)

[hendrik]

Welcome to the ETL CainTheHunter! Helping your brothers is crucial at this point! But keep in mind that Kassil is correct. What I'm gonna do is substitute your Wolf Guard pack leader with a Wolf Guard Battel Leader. I work it out at 270 pts. Let me know if you're OK with that and I'll update the front table.

 

Good luck! :)

are we really gong to do this? if so i can easely make all my wolf guards into wolf guard battle leaders, or even just all my grey hunters in wolf lords armed with a bolter.... no wonder them dresswearing boys go so many points already! ;)

[Captain Semper]

Play fair now hendrik! :)

 

Just trying to make Cain's vow legit with minimum fuss. But since you mention it, the DAs average vow is 530pts. Do you know what the average vow is for the Wolves? 740pts!!! Which brings up to the most crucial point: the reason why DAs lead in terms of total points vowed is... wait for it... NUMBERS!!!! 41 vows vs. 23 for the Wolves!

 

So c'mon guys, you need more vows here, pronto! Weekly update comes tomorrow so any last minute commitments will improve your situation greatly!

[CainTheHunter]

Play fair now hendrik! :)

 

Just trying to make Cain's vow legit with minimum fuss. But since you mention it, the DAs average vow is 530pts. Do you know what the average vow is for the Wolves? 740pts!!! Which brings up to the most crucial point: the reason why DAs lead in terms of total points vowed is... wait for it... NUMBERS!!!! 41 vows vs. 23 for the Wolves!

 

So c'mon guys, you need more vows here, pronto! Weekly update comes tomorrow so any last minute commitments will improve your situation greatly!

 

 

It's OK for me to bring him as WGBL. In that case, let's make the rest of GH to be 10 with two meltaguns! Btw, I can see the logic with fielding 3 Wolf Guards before that pack get legit, but in the same line of reasoning, I'd need a HQ and the second troops pack as well, isn't it?

[TheDevourer]

Pah a single space wolf is worth erm wait for it... 1.396 Dark Angels. Pah Mooooore vows NOW brothers! I can only increase by a maximum of 2 more razorbacks and possibly 5 longfangs if ebay is with me... :) I'd love to vow more, but I'm basically out of models (The two razorbacks are painted as nightlord ones at the moment)

[Captain Semper]

Play fair now hendrik! :)

 

Just trying to make Cain's vow legit with minimum fuss. But since you mention it, the DAs average vow is 530pts. Do you know what the average vow is for the Wolves? 740pts!!! Which brings up to the most crucial point: the reason why DAs lead in terms of total points vowed is... wait for it... NUMBERS!!!! 41 vows vs. 23 for the Wolves!

 

So c'mon guys, you need more vows here, pronto! Weekly update comes tomorrow so any last minute commitments will improve your situation greatly!

 

 

It's OK for me to bring him as WGBL. In that case, let's make the rest of GH to be 10 with two meltaguns!

 

That's great. Just edit your vow and give me a total point cost and you're good to go! :)

 

Btw, I can see the logic with fielding 3 Wolf Guards before that pack get legit, but in the same line of reasoning, I'd need a HQ and the second troops pack as well, isn't it?

 

No. The ETL rules require that you vow for a legal unit. Not correct FOC. The only way to get WG pack leader is through a unit of WG wolf guard pack leaders. The minimum size of that unit is 3. So that's the problem. It's like vowing for 4 Grey Hunters. It's an illegal unit and therefore not admissable.

[CainTheHunter]

That's great. Just edit your vow and give me a total point cost and you're good to go! :)

 

Done!

[Captain Semper]

E TENEBRAE LUX – 3rd WEEK UPDATE

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Well, this is the conclusion of the third week of E TENEBRAE LUX! So far all forums combined have vowed in excess of 100k points between them with almost 200 participants so far. We’ve also seen some vows getting completed already, but it’s still very early in the challenge to draw any meaningful conclusions. Now that we enter the last week before the gates are closed I would like to alert people to that fact. So:
THIS IS THE LAST WEEK FOR NEW ENTRANTS! AFTER THAT THE TEAMS OF EACH FORUM WILL BE SET – NO NEW REINFORCEMENTS WILL BE ALLOWED!

This is very important guys. The more people each forum has in its arsenal the higher the chances of victory! Even if individual people complete tons of points, ultimately all of us have limitations stemming from real life obligations, money, and drive/morale reserves… And when one might think has done his bit for his faction after say, three vows and 1,200 points, another guy from another forum that has kept silent all this time might tip the balance with a single mini entry of 140 pts… :) Trust me, it will happen! :)

So join the ranks now while new entrants are still allowed, even with small vows – just to make sure you will be there when your Chapter/Legion/Warband calls for you!!!

Another significant topic I’d like to raise:

ALL THREE “CODEX: SPACE MARINE” SUB-FORUMS (IA, LA, UM) WILL BE TREATED AS ONE WHERE TOTAL POINTS ARE CONCERNED. IN EFFECT THEY WILL BECOME ONE FACTION FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS CHALLENGE

How will this work? First of all let me say that each forum will retain its standalone identity and I will continue to monitor their progress individually. This way the relative weight of each C:SM sub-forum within the new structure will be immediately visible and honor will go where it’s due! The total points of each C:SM sub- forum will be added together in each weekly report (pretty much as is the case now) and it is this amount of points the other forums must compete against. In case they win, all participants that have completed their vows successfully from all three sub-forums will earn the right to carry the badge of the E TENEBRAE LUX Champion!

I believe this is the fairest way to show how strong the Codex: Space Marines is within the B&C community. It will also give a real fighting chance to IA, LA and UMs to win this – and probably increase participation! ;)

So with no further ado here are the 3rd Week standings:

E TENEBRAE LUX – WEEK 3

Black Templars	26	33	14,171	429
Blood Angels	33	35	16,736	478
Dark Angels	44	46	24,016	522
Codex Space Marines	36	37	19,822	551
Space Wolves	23	24	17,792	741
Chaos	25	26	8,097	311
Ordos Inquisition	11	13	4,146	319
Total	198	214	104,780	529
Index Astartes	17	18	7,430	413
Liber Astartes	9	9	6,438	715
Ultramarines	10	10	5,954	595

Please note that following the deadline of June 15th the above table will also start to show completed points per faction for easier track record. Until then the amount of completed points will be mentioned in each forum’s individual comment below:

Comments:

The Dark Angels retain first position in pledged vows for the 3rd week running, increasing their point-count by 30%. The most important feat though was the increase of vows vs. the second largest forum (Codex: Space Marines) from 4 last week to 9 this week. They also had the first couple of small completions totaling 235pts. So far Dark Angels appear to be in the best position overall: more vows, more total points, average point/vow! The latter is important as it shows that their effort is not overly reliant to super-vows but risk is more spread out.

The Wolves made an even more frantic effort in increasing their point total (+28% w-o-w) and a small amout of completions of 275. However they continue to suffer from relatively low numbers and this is reflected in their monstrous points/vow ratio of 741!!! The means their reliance to super-vows is high and unless they build up their numbers (more vows that is) they run a serious risk of running out of options in the final stages of the Challenge. So c’mon Space Wolves, bring in the full might of the Rout before it’s too late! Remember: one week to go before the gates close!

Blood Angels also increased their point-total by a substantial 27% this week and sport a respectable 33 participants. They also managed to complete a few more points compared to the DAs and the SWs at 1,565. However if they want to challenge the Dark Angels in the long term (this is a challenge, remember?) they have to do more on the new entrants front. They are in a good position right now but this last week would be critical in order to close the difference. What they need is add new vows that will bring their total points/vow ratio closer to the average that currently stands at 550. So any new vow (by new I mean totally new not renewed) should come at above their current average of 478. No need for super-vows here, anything in the 500-600pts bracket will do! You guys stand a good chance to win this – don’t run out of steam now!!!

Black Templars have gone into a completion frenzy! With 7 completions (some in their fourth vow already) they managed 1,995pts this week. Good, I hear you say. Well, not really... We are still in the phase where forming the final teams is more important than scoring completions and on this front the Black Templars seem to have run out of steam. With only 2 more new vows this week and the total of pledged points increasing only 22% (mostly on renewals of existing participants) the BTs are in a precarious position. Having their average point/vow slip by 26 points (the only forum where the size of the average vow declined w-o-w) does not help much either as they now face the real possibility to be left behind. Unless you guys can continue to complete vows with your current rate until mid August, you’ll really need to bring in new blood! Think of it. 7 completions produced a bit less than 2k pts. The BAs with only 3 managed almost 1.6k. Food for thought.

Codex Forums have the second largest amount of vows and points pledged so far. The biggest contribution is made by the Index Astartes forum (37% of total points vowed) and the smallest by the Ultramarines forum (30% of total points vowed). More interestingly their avearge vow is virtually spot-on the average of the whole Challenge which means the Codex forums are not overly reliant to few super-vows but (much like the DAs) have diversified their risk. They sport only 85pts completed so far but this early on this is of secondary importance. However adding vows in the last week is of crucial importance in you guys want to remain on top! A moment of laxity... you know how it goes...

Chaos is seriously behind in total points, number of vows and size of average vow (the latter is the lowest in the challenge currently). I think that the dated CSM range combined with recent rumors of imminent release of the new Codex (and minis) is making people less inclined to commit big at this time. The answer to that is: commit small!!! Forget about average points or indeed total points – just focus on total vows – that way you will have an army of painters standing by. What do you have to lose? To paint an old style single mini? A small basic squad? Nothing important. But if your new Codex is released within the life-time of E TENEBRAE LUX then you will be able to vow again – this time with tons of stuff – reversing the fortunes of war when the rest of the forums least expect it. But for this to work you need the adequate resources i.e. manpower! If you do not have the number of vows, come what may, you will never threaten the leading forums. So... FOR THE DARK GODS!!!

Ordos Inquisition have increased their points by 61% (!) the highest among all forums although admittedly from a low base. Still they managed to have good representation for both GK AND SoBs despite the expensive in $ terms nature of the latter. Keep going guys – your lonely path to the Emperor’s light is an inspiration to all!!!

Still no Titans yet...

Overall, at the end ot the 3rd week of the Challenge we have almost 200 participants and 105k points pledged! This is great guys. Now remember:

THIS IS THE LAST WEEK FOR NEW ENTRANTS! IT’S NOW OR NEVER


Good luck to all!

[Wulfebane]

I'm biding my time to pledge a vow for this because we're moving ATM so I can't be certain I'll have time to paint.

 

If I find the time, someone help me understand. If I wanted to enter an Arjac, do I need to vow a minimum WG pack of 3 or can I just pledge Arjac?

[CainTheHunter]

If I wanted to enter an Arjac, do I need to vow a minimum WG pack of 3 or can I just pledge Arjac?

 

From reading this "Furthermore Special Characters that are used as squad upgrades can also be entered individually and are worth the “upgrade” points." my guess is that You can pledge only Arjac. But let's see what will that dark robed shady type say about this.

[Captain Semper]

Cain got it right. You can enter Arjac individually for 170pts. Look fwd for your vow - and your take on Arjac as it seems I'll be painting him too come September :)

[CainTheHunter]

Cain got it right. You can enter Arjac individually for 170pts. Look fwd for your vow - and your take on Arjac as it seems I'll be painting him too come September ;)

 

Just a small question. When (and it's "when" not "if" :) ) You will be painting him, You will not, by any chance, use the green paint on him, will You? ;)

[Captain Semper]

No... :)

 

However I plan to use dark greys instead of the standard blu-ish grey or light greys... I might even consider brown as a complementing color... You're Wolves right?

[CainTheHunter]

No... :)

 

However I plan to use dark greys instead of the standard blu-ish grey or light greys... I might even consider brown as a complementing color... You're Wolves right?

 

 

No, I am a person ;)

[TheDevourer]

*Growls menacingly*

Erm right, yeah.

Human :)

[Forté]

*Growls menacingly*

Erm right, yeah.

Human :P

WE ARE NO MERE MORTAL HUMANS....WE ARE SPACE WOLVES!!!!

[Rune_Priest_Rhapsody]

Arjac cost 188. He's an upgrade from an 18 point model, 18 + 170 = 188. Am I missing something??

 

So just to understand, after this week no more people can sign up, but those of us already signed up can continue to add pledges to our vows??

 

Here's my update linky: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=253255

 

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