Let The Galaxy Burn! Balefire Legion: 40k again!

[thamier]

tournament day 1, so far not going well, think its going worse than ever before.

they charnged the best in show selection method, so players have to nomibate, and i refuse to nominate nyself, and apperntly none else thought my army was good enough.

so no chance there, also might be in the very bottom, they trying out not giving bonus tournament points for paint jobs wich usely is half of my points, and on the first 3 match i managed to get a booming 24 points out of 60 yay me, my gaming skills are better but no painting buffer and not rolling well ither.

 

http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/ad269/thamier/work%20in%20progress/EA79A87B-8A89-4A98-88D1-04482A7C5A55.jpg

http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/ad269/thamier/work%20in%20progress/F502A8F0-CB77-4BF0-B35A-E49F84509069.jpg

http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/ad269/thamier/work%20in%20progress/FD72247C-AB4C-4FC4-8C40-C6D0E456DE7F.jpg

 

maybe if im lucky ill get a last minute nomination tomorrow but inwont get my hopes up.

[Vesper]

Dude, your army looks awesome on tabletop. A really striking sight.

[KrautScientist]

tournament day 1, so far not going well, think its going worse than ever before.

they charnged the best in show selection method, so players have to nomibate, and i refuse to nominate nyself, and apperntly none else thought my army was good enough.

 

I don't even know what to say to this. Seriously, not to discriminate against anyone here, but maybe you should try attending tournaments with people who actually have eyes in their heads for a change: Your army is absolutely stunning, chock full of awesome conversions and very much worth the nomination, if not the first place. The people in that tournament should be ashamed of themselves!

 

If I have one gripe with your army, and I've said this before, so it shouldn't be a secret: Choosing a colour for the bases that offers a bigger contrast (red brown, for instance), would make the army stand out more if seen from afar and as a whole. But that certainly doesn't explain the lack of nominations.

 

Anyway, take heart: The army's awesome, even if your fellow tournament attendees are not

 

As for the gaming side, good luck, buddy! Certainly cannot help you there... o_O

Edited September 27, 2014 by KrautScientist

[geektom]

I agree with the above comments-- the army looks *awesome* all together on the tabletop, and, contrsuctively, I do think a contrasting base would help your outstanding theme stand out a little more.

 

This is the first time I am seeing your flyers and chaos mutations-- great work!

[Uprising]

 

tournament day 1, so far not going well, think its going worse than ever before.

they charnged the best in show selection method, so players have to nomibate, and i refuse to nominate nyself, and apperntly none else thought my army was good enough.

 

I don't even know what to say to this. Seriously, not to discriminate against anyone here, but maybe you should try attending tournaments with people who actually have eyes in their heads for a change: Your army is absolutely stunning, chock full of awesome conversions and very much worth the nomination, if not the first place. The people in that tournament should be ashamed of themselves!

 

If I have one gripe with your army, and I've said this before, so it shouldn't be a secret: Choosing a colour for the bases that offers a bigger contrast (red brown, for instance), would make the army stand out more if seen from afar and as a whole. But that certainly doesn't explain the lack of nominations.

 

Anyway, take heart: The army's awesome, even if your fellow tournament attendees are not

 

As for the gaming side, good luck, buddy! Certainly cannot help you there... o_O

 

I agree.  This is the best black legion army on the internet..  Also your playing a soft list, so its surprising no one have(especially your opponents). 

[gaurdian31]

Boo to those tourney atendees, your army looks fantastic and is filled with some of the best conversions I have ever seen. Don't let them keep you down, you do great work! Also dice are fickle creatures so don't let that ruin your game, just have fun even if it is a tournament.

[Forté]

Add another to the list of those who love the way your army looks.

[Brother Ambroz]

Astounding that you'd be self conscious about an army as thoughtfully converted and beautifully painted as yours. Even if you don't become nominated know that you should've been, even if they're all GD level painters some of us hardheaded folks would always vote for a gorgeous chaos army. Have you thought of entering any of the painting events on the board?

[Midnightmare]

They look stunning together as an army, big kudos for getting them done it time. I wouldn't worry about tournie results, its all about having fun and if I win a couple along the way then cool beans.

 

...and did I mention that your army looks stunning? Thats what  ing counts 

[Ace Debonair]

Add me to the crowd forming in support of the Balefire Legion!

 

These guys really capture Chaos as it should look: Ancient, baroque, and threatening.

[thamier]

thanks all of you, you are too kind, but a part of me cant help but think that if my army is that good someone of the 77 other players would have nominated it.

 

i could use some help though, anyone a sesasoned 40k player that great at competative play that be willing to teach me all there is to know to be great? prefbly on skype and in terms a mentaly handicaped child can understand or i wont get it.

 

out of 78 players i managed to be 68place 5 games a max of 120 point (20 of them is painting) i managed a booming 50 ....

[thamier]

oh and i almost forgot, also i need ideas for lists, so i know what i might need to build.

 

thinking landraider might come in handy soon and spawns and going to try amf build a epic abbadon to lead the legion

 

but for now im still feeling a bit crushed, and have the defiler to finish.

[Forté]

What you need to try is a little post game analysis. What worked, what could have, what really didn't, where mistake were made, and lastly...what was missing?

 

Do you have enough of the following:

-Objective grabbers

-Anti heavy armour

-Anti air

-Anti MEQ

-Anti TEQ

-Psychic support

-Knowledge of enemy armies

-Knowledge of missions

 

Just sit down with a note pad.

 

As for the painted army side. I'm guessing a lot of people had "friends" there. Bad decision by the TO personally. Army painting should be completely separate set of points and awards.

[geektom]

Thamier, only focus on winning if that makes the hobby more enjoyable for you. I am relatively new to 40k, but I played Fantasy for many years and *never* won more than 2 games in a 5 game tournament. To change that, I would have had to create a list I didn't really want to play. What I finally realized was that it is my ARMY that makes me happy- planning it, designing it, converting it, painting it- and seeing it on the battlefield so I could share it with others. Wins are just a bonus to that. Once I got in that frame of mind, I had a much better time.

 

I hope you can find that right balance, and hey, if you can create an army that looks as awesome as yours and win all your matches, too- you have even more of my respect! :-)

[thamier]

What you need to try is a little post game analysis. What worked, what could have, what really didn't, where mistake were made, and lastly...what was missing?

Do you have enough of the following:

-Objective grabbers

-Anti heavy armour

-Anti air

-Anti MEQ

-Anti TEQ

-Psychic support

-Knowledge of enemy armies

-Knowledge of missions

Just sit down with a note pad.

As for the painted army side. I'm guessing a lot of people had "friends" there. Bad decision by the TO personally. Army painting should be completely separate set of points and awards.

needed more anti everything, had problems with taking down enough of the armour.

and what excaktly is TEQ and MEQ?

 

Thamier, only focus on winning if that makes the hobby more enjoyable for you. I am relatively new to 40k, but I played Fantasy for many years and *never* won more than 2 games in a 5 game tournament. To change that, I would have had to create a list I didn't really want to play. What I finally realized was that it is my ARMY that makes me happy- planning it, designing it, converting it, painting it- and seeing it on the battlefield so I could share it with others. Wins are just a bonus to that. Once I got in that frame of mind, I had a much better time.

I hope you can find that right balance, and hey, if you can create an army that looks as awesome as yours and win all your matches, too- you have even more of my respect! :-)

i must admit i like winning and im competative by nature, thats one thing that adds to my motivations when i see ppl doing awsome stuff, i wanna be awsome too, so i try.

in warhammer im a builder first and foremost, its what i like the best, and a close second is painting, but i also like playing, but i never really got the hang of it, so i dont play often.

and another thing, its important for me to see progression, in games seeing a character evolve, in drawing and painting,pretty much everything, i enjoy seeing the journy and the prosses, but! every tournament i been in, all 3 of them now my goal was to learn and do better next time, but this time i did even worse than ever before.. 2 steps forward and 10 back, and that i despite everything had my hopes up for best in show and then didnt even pass the selection.

[Forté]

TEQ= Terminator equivalent (2+ save)

MEQ= Marine equivalent (3+ save)

 

A lot also comes down to having a bit of a plan rather than just reacting to your opponents moves. Choose targets and go for it.

 

Test games come into it a lot too.

[Marqol]

Been to painting competitions where friends vote for friends. Heck know one where a model lost because the guy who painted it kept beating everyone in games with it. You have a great army, converted and painted nicely. Game tactics will come to you with practice. Just playing will help but actively building lists aswell, trying to play competitively. Try building an army around a list instead of building a list around your army. 

[deathspectersgt7]

Sacrifice a burrito to the dice Gods helps sometimes.  

[Brother Ambroz]

Thamier if you're that worried that others did not vote for you, are you sure everyone saw it? You seem a tad self conscious about it so I'm betting you weren't showing off too much. With your army though I'd definitely show it off. :P For lists, I can't really help you there as I've been out of gaming for years. Might want to check the chaos forum and ask for competitive advice, there are some guys there that'll tell you definitively what is good and isn't, what works and doesn't.

[thamier]

thanks alot guys, i have lots to thibk over, and i already started building again, so by tomorrow i will have some pictures for you of the progress on the chaos knight/defiler.

 

also updated my signature, with a new and sneaky link.

 

so the build projects can keep on going :)

[KrautScientist]

also updated my signature, with a new and sneaky link.

 

 

...and got rid of my sweet, sweet quote --mate, not cool. Not cool at all ;)

 

Seriously, though: It's great to take into account feedback when it comes to your gaming and evaluating what does and doesn't work. That said, I'd like to point out two things, since both are rather important to me:

 

When it comes to the gaming side of things, geektom above really stole the words right out of my mouth: One of the shortcomings of 40k, as far as I am concerned, is that I can either play an army that is super competitive, or I can play an army that I love. So far, I have not yet managed to find a solution to this particular conundrum, and it may be one of the reasons why playing has become less important for me. Anyway, what you should take away from this, in my opinion, is this: Feel free to step up your game, but please do so while collecting, converting and painting the models you feel passionate about instead of sacrificing everything to tabletop performance, alright?

 

The other thing is about the look and quality of your models, and I am also mentioning this again because this seems to have been an important time for you on at least two different occasions:

 

We all love it when people admire our armies and when we get asked how we achieved this conversion or that effect. In fact, for most of us (myself included) getting positive feedback is one of the main motivations to come up with new models and to keep pushing ourselves. That said, I would like to iterate that, regardless of how stupid or shortsighted the people at the tournaments you attend may be, you shouldn't start doubting the outstanding quality of your army as a hobby project. To wit, there are more than enough people on the board here who are huge fans of your work (again, myself included). And while this may just be the internet, we are not all just the same fat guy (but rather, I dunno, several fat guys, I suppose...): Personally speaking, the feedback of dedicated and critical hobbyists on the forums has always done more for me than the incidental comments of bystanders. It's nice to get that kind of feedback, sure. But don't beat yourself up to much if it doesn't happen. if anything, getting substantial feedback online can be much harder.

 

Oh, and one last thing: I still get compliments for that Obliterator I built from the parts you send me, and I keep telling people that the compliments should really be directed your way. So yeah...

 

Anyway, I guess what Im saying is this: Keep doing what you're doing. You can always improve. But don't sell yourself short -- the army is amazing!

[Augustus b'Raass]

 

When it comes to the gaming side of things, geektom above really stole the words right out of my mouth: One of the shortcomings of 40k, as far as I am concerned, is that I can either play an army that is super competitive, or I can play an army that I love. So far, I have not yet managed to find a solution to this particular conundrum, and it may be one of the reasons why playing has become less important for me. Anyway, what you should take away from this, in my opinion, is this: Feel free to step up your game, but please do so while collecting, converting and painting the models you feel passionate about instead of sacrificing everything to tabletop performance, alright?

 

The other thing is about the look and quality of your models, and I am also mentioning this again because this seems to have been an important time for you on at least two different occasions:

 

We all love it when people admire our armies and when we get asked how we achieved this conversion or that effect. In fact, for most of us (myself included) getting positive feedback is one of the main motivations to come up with new models and to keep pushing ourselves. That said, I would like to iterate that, regardless of how stupid or shortsighted the people at the tournaments you attend may be, you shouldn't start doubting the outstanding quality of your army as a hobby project. To wit, there are more than enough people on the board here who are huge fans of your work (again, myself included). And while this may just be the internet, we are not all just the same fat guy (but rather, I dunno, several fat guys, I suppose...): Personally speaking, the feedback of dedicated and critical hobbyists on the forums has always done more for me than the incidental comments of bystanders. It's nice to get that kind of feedback, sure. But don't beat yourself up to much if it doesn't happen. if anything, getting substantial feedback online can be much harder.

 

Oh, and one last thing: I still get compliments for that Obliterator I built from the parts you send me, and I keep telling people that the compliments should really be directed your way. So yeah...

 

Anyway, I guess what Im saying is this: Keep doing what you're doing. You can always improve. But don't sell yourself short -- the army is amazing!

 

I heartily second everything Kraut said above, thamier. Do not worry - your army looks amazing. And I'd love to get a chance to play against your army with a Night Lords list that I love - which will probably be as competitive as an old nanny on whisky.

 

Edit: fixed faulty spoiler feature

Edited September 29, 2014 by Augustus b'Raass

[thamier]

 

also updated my signature, with a new and sneaky link.

 

 

...and got rid of my sweet, sweet quote --mate, not cool. Not cool at all ;)

 

Seriously, though: It's great to take into account feedback when it comes to your gaming and evaluating what does and doesn't work. That said, I'd like to point out two things, since both are rather important to me:

 

When it comes to the gaming side of things, geektom above really stole the words right out of my mouth: One of the shortcomings of 40k, as far as I am concerned, is that I can either play an army that is super competitive, or I can play an army that I love. So far, I have not yet managed to find a solution to this particular conundrum, and it may be one of the reasons why playing has become less important for me. Anyway, what you should take away from this, in my opinion, is this: Feel free to step up your game, but please do so while collecting, converting and painting the models you feel passionate about instead of sacrificing everything to tabletop performance, alright?

 

The other thing is about the look and quality of your models, and I am also mentioning this again because this seems to have been an important time for you on at least two different occasions:

 

We all love it when people admire our armies and when we get asked how we achieved this conversion or that effect. In fact, for most of us (myself included) getting positive feedback is one of the main motivations to come up with new models and to keep pushing ourselves. That said, I would like to iterate that, regardless of how stupid or shortsighted the people at the tournaments you attend may be, you shouldn't start doubting the outstanding quality of your army as a hobby project. To wit, there are more than enough people on the board here who are huge fans of your work (again, myself included). And while this may just be the internet, we are not all just the same fat guy (but rather, I dunno, several fat guys, I suppose...): Personally speaking, the feedback of dedicated and critical hobbyists on the forums has always done more for me than the incidental comments of bystanders. It's nice to get that kind of feedback, sure. But don't beat yourself up to much if it doesn't happen. if anything, getting substantial feedback online can be much harder.

 

Oh, and one last thing: I still get compliments for that Obliterator I built from the parts you send me, and I keep telling people that the compliments should really be directed your way. So yeah...

 

Anyway, I guess what Im saying is this: Keep doing what you're doing. You can always improve. But don't sell yourself short -- the army is amazing!

oh im never going to abandon my converting or painting to win games, my priorety is still biilding>painting>gaming.

and no matter how uncompetative chaos marines is, chaosnmarines is what i want to play, i might even expand and add some demons but thats it, um well maybe some traitor guards too but my army is balefire legion.

 

gonna try and learn some better gaming.

dont know all the rules by heart and not knowing the other armys its aleays a surpise what they will suddenly bash your face in with.

but ill vow to get better.

 

in the tournament i had a cc slaanesh lord with spawns and 6 x 5 noise marines 2 of them with rhinos and all have one blastmaster.

had 2 drakes one las/missile hellbrute and a forge fiend and 2 oblits :)

[Eldrick Shadowblade]

Thamier, i think that's a stinky tourney. why wouldn't you award players who spend a ton of time making their armies look awesome? That being said. Keep going! you inspoire me to make your army the SECOND best Black Legion army on the net. : )

[thamier]

thanks alot once more all you guys!

and here is a smallish update, a little late but its taking longer than i thought.

orginally i was gonna make a seperste chain axe for the chaos knight, now im toying with the idea of makeing it a interchangeable mount onto this part.

it can hold reapers or lascannons atleast.

still not all done but its getting close.

 

http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/ad269/thamier/work%20in%20progress/F06ED20A-8AE3-4BA8-9B6D-C30058672A70.jpg

http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/ad269/thamier/work%20in%20progress/84F80136-06FF-4255-BE91-3C7A5B329051.jpg

http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/ad269/thamier/work%20in%20progress/783B353E-F529-49AD-8A8C-A2EA3973CB0F.jpg

http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/ad269/thamier/work%20in%20progress/29F3F4DE-C3B2-4288-A5B1-2A21A728B55C.jpg

http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/ad269/thamier/work%20in%20progress/D173C5F1-4EDC-46C4-A147-360FAF3BD8E2.jpg

http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/ad269/thamier/work%20in%20progress/2C7144DB-4B70-4D34-80D1-90E7C793B363.jpg

http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/ad269/thamier/work%20in%20progress/797AC675-7D0A-4E38-A207-7760B8251A6E.jpg

http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/ad269/thamier/work%20in%20progress/F2D1CAB2-EB74-49EE-889B-1500F84069F0.jpg

 

 

also waiting to see if kraut has looked at the list of bits im looking for ;)