Khorne's Eternal Hunt - KrautScientist's chaotic WIP thread 2024: Baby steps...

[KrautScientist]

Cheers for the feedback, guys! Make no mistake, though: There's still quite a bit of detail work left to do until the Knight is finished (I seem to be taking after Jeff Tibbetts with the incremental updates, although I do lack his staggering amount of perfectionism). Anyway, here's what'll probably be the last update for this week  -- you're probably sick of the sight of this model anyway ;)

 

http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2015/10/2/748123-Chaos%20Knight%2C%20Conversion%2C%20Daemon%20Knight%2C%20Harrowthorne%2C%20Imperial%20Knight.jpg

 

http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2015/10/2/748124-Chaos%20Knight%2C%20Conversion%2C%20Daemon%20Knight%2C%20Harrowthorne%2C%20Imperial%20Knight.jpg

 

http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2015/10/2/748122-Chaos%20Knight%2C%20Conversion%2C%20Daemon%20Knight%2C%20Harrowthorne%2C%20Imperial%20Knight.jpg

 

So, what did I do?

 

I finally took the time to paint the last details on the top carapace, for instance. Mainly the Space Marine helmet and Necron head. I thought it would be a nice little shout out to paint the Astartes helmet as belonging to my INQ28 DIY chapter, the Golden Legion. Oh, and I also added some decals where appropriate:

 

http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2015/10/2/748121-Chaos%20Knight%2C%20Conversion%2C%20Daemon%20Knight%2C%20Harrowthorne%2C%20Imperial%20Knight.jpg

 

The legs also received some more attention: I apply a very subtle drybrush on the feet, using a mix of the grey I used for the base and some Typhus Corrosion (cheers for the suggestion, MadSkoll!). It's not very noticeable, but it does make the feet look slightly more dull and dirty, creating a nice sense of interaction with the base:

 

http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2015/10/2/748125-Chaos%20Knight%2C%20Conversion%2C%20Daemon%20Knight%2C%20Harrowthorne%2C%20Imperial%20Knight.jpg

 

I also added some decals to the kneecaps, as you can see. The one on the left knee is a decal I like very much from the ancient Khorne berzerker decal sheet. As for the right knee, I did change my original plan around a bit when it comes to the symbol showing the Knight's affilition with the Legio Audax: I combined a cog symbol (to symbolise a Titan legion) and the wolf paw print (because it seemed so appropriate, given the fact that the World Eaters use bloody handprints as a sign of honour). Anyway, it's such a small think, but it really hints at a bigger backstory for the machine.

 

As always, let me know what you think! :)

[Teetengee]

paw clog looks good, as do the other details, also the second picture made the glow effect of some of the parts particularly effective

[oldschoolsavant]

You still contemplating the handprints on the shins ?

[JeffTibbetts]

Haha. Incremental updates for the win! I enjoy seeing things come together in obsessive, relentless detail (obviously). 

 

I think the decals and details really bring this project to life, personally. I love the stories of connection you've built in, and the subtle touches that hint at something deeper than just a gaming piece. I think your Knight does the same thing my Queen did: act as a sort of outsider to contextualize your main armies. 

[GhostMalone]

Well we all have used Jeff as our messiah when it comes to our knights.

 

He set the standard and we're all trying to reach that benchmark.

 

Great stuff brother

[Augustus b'Raass]

Great job on the weathering there, buddy. Also, those decals look mighty fine and are the perfect nod to not only the back story of the miniature, but also to yours as a hobbyist. I remember that decal sheet... 

[KrautScientist]

Cheers, guys!

 

@ OSS: Oh, absolutely! I am just saving the best for last That and I am pretty nervous about whether or not it'll all work out in the end. But there will be bloody handprints, yes.

 

@ JeffTibbetts: Glad you appreciate the small touches -- if anything, I have you to thank for starting to think about this whole project in a new way!

 

@ Kurama: Haha, 100% agreed!

 

@ Auggie: Hmm, I hadn't even noticed the double effect of the decals, but you are right, of course. True story: I hever bought any of the original early 90s plastic berzerkers (except for one box that was a birthday gift for a school buddy), so I actually had to buy those decal sheets from a bitz seller. And Biohazard was kind enough to send over some of those old models -- they are very flat and mono-pose, yet the helmet design remains one of my favourite 'zerker helmets around.

Edited October 3, 2015 by KrautScientist

[KrautScientist]

Okay, I lied: I do have another update regarding the Knight this weekend. What can I say, I simply cannot keep my hands off the model right now, and I know better than to second-guess my rare bouts of inspiration ;)

 

So today I tackled those bloody handprints on the Knight's shin armour. Just to remind you, the idea was that the warriors of the 4th assault company press their bloody hands to the Knight's armour as some kind of oath of moment and good luck charm.

 

Anyway, I even made a new "stamp" for the occasion, using some latex to make a cast from the press molded hand I had created earlier:

 

 

I quickly learned a couple of things, though: One, in spite of the flexibility of the stamp, actually creating some believable handprints on the shin armour's curved surface turned out to be quite a bit of an ordeal. Two, there was actually even less room than I had anticipated. Three, while I had planned to add many, many handprints, I realised that the limited space resulted in a very real danger of all the handprints just mushing together into a solid wall of glossy red. So In the end, it was all about suggesting the intended effect without going overboard -- and I actually ended up painting most of the handprints by brush. Oh well...

 

Here's the armour after the application of the handprints:

 

 

I might revisit this area at a later date, in order to add some final touchups, but I am pretty pleased with the effect as it stands.

 

So here's another round of pictures for you -- the final round for this weekend, scout's honour! ;)

 

http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2015/10/4/748501-Chaos%20Knight%2C%20Conversion%2C%20Daemon%20Knight%2C%20Harrowthorne%2C%20Imperial%20Knight.jpg

 

http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2015/10/4/748504-Chaos%20Knight%2C%20Conversion%2C%20Daemon%20Knight%2C%20Harrowthorne%2C%20Imperial%20Knight.jpg

 

http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2015/10/4/748502-Chaos%20Knight%2C%20Conversion%2C%20Daemon%20Knight%2C%20Harrowthorne%2C%20Imperial%20Knight.jpg

 

http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2015/10/4/748503-Chaos%20Knight%2C%20Conversion%2C%20Daemon%20Knight%2C%20Harrowthorne%2C%20Imperial%20Knight.jpg

 

http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2015/10/4/748505-Chaos%20Knight%2C%20Conversion%2C%20Daemon%20Knight%2C%20Harrowthorne%2C%20Imperial%20Knight.jpg

 

http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2015/10/4/748506-Chaos%20Knight%2C%20Conversion%2C%20Daemon%20Knight%2C%20Harrowthorne%2C%20Imperial%20Knight.jpg

 

And, because we haven't seen the old chap in a while, a closer look at the Baron inside his cockpit:

 

http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2015/10/4/748507-Chaos%20Knight%2C%20Conversion%2C%20Daemon%20Knight%2C%20Harrowthorne%2C%20Imperial%20Knight.jpg

 

http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2015/10/4/748508-Chaos%20Knight%2C%20Conversion%2C%20Daemon%20Knight%2C%20Harrowthorne%2C%20Imperial%20Knight.jpg

 

http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2015/10/4/748509-Chaos%20Knight%2C%20Conversion%2C%20Daemon%20Knight%2C%20Harrowthorne%2C%20Imperial%20Knight.jpg

 

All that remains is a lot of minor cleanup work, but I'll be leaving that for the coming week. Until then, let me know what you think! :)

[JeffTibbetts]

You guys are too kind to me.

 

The handprints look fantastic right now. I don't think I'd go any heavier. Super subtle but that's the best way.

[Augustus b'Raass]

Love it. I think you did excellent keeping it simple and the effect came out looking perfect.

 

I've had some great results mixing a teeny tiny bit of Rhinox Hide with BftBG for a slightly more dried blood effect. Perhaps to differentiate between hand prints, you could add some specks of that mix to some of them. 

[helterskelter]

All the tiny details, it's beautiful, vicious, brutal and exudes wrath

[Flint13]

This thing is just spectacular, dude.

 

Every square inch of it has some super cool detail that I missed the last time I checked it out.

 

Phenoms work.

[Midnightmare]

You have hit the sweet spot with it, simply excellent work mate :)

[crimsonhand]

I love the Conversion, the only thing that feels a bit off is the knight commander, just because he's sooo clean! lol 

[KrautScientist]

Thanks for the positive feedback, all! It really means a lot! :)

 

 

I've had some great results mixing a teeny tiny bit of Rhinox Hide with BftBG for a slightly more dried blood effect. Perhaps to differentiate between hand prints, you could add some specks of that mix to some of them. 

 

I actually did mix some brown wash into some of the Clear Red in order to get a bit more difference in colour between the handprints, but seeing how applying the Clear Red turned into a bit of a frantic affair (because you have to be done with it before it turns too gooey), the effect may not be as noticeable as I had intended...

 

 

Every square inch of it has some super cool detail that I missed the last time I checked it out.

 

This may be the biggest compliment, in a way, because that was precisely what I wanted to achieve with the model: I wanted lots and lots of areas that you could discover while looking at the model that would also hint at a deeper backstory -- as befits a millennia-old warmachine ;)

 

I love the Conversion, the only thing that feels a bit off is the knight commander, just because he's sooo clean! lol 

 

I see what you mean, but I didn't really want the pilot to be mutated or covered in gore or what have you, as that didn't seem all that interesting to me. If anything, I think Harrowthorne is all the scarier for being able to keep himself together like that... ;)

[Daemon2027]

I'm wondering if the handprints are a detail for real life rather then the photos, although you can see them nicely in the close ups.

 

On Harrowthorne, I don't think he needs to be Chaosy. Not every servant of the true gods will be mutated, or mad or even pure evil. Many will have converted to Chaos believing it was a better alternative to the imperium. And someone with strong will and ruthless ability could rise up without becoming a mutated mess. If you look at the top champions of the gods they are all mostly stable (mostly) I think the real gifts the gods give are power without the tentacles!

Edited October 6, 2015 by The Hydra

[JeffTibbetts]

I'm wondering if the handprints are a detail for real life rather then the photos, although you can see them nicely in the close ups.

 

On Harrowthorne, I don't think he needs to be Chaosy. Not every servant of the true gods will be mutated, or mad or even pure evil. Many will have converted to Chaos believing it was a better alternative to the imperium. And someone with strong will and ruthless ability could rise up without becoming a mutated mess. If you look at the top champions of the gods they are all mostly stable (mostly) I think the real gifts the gods give are power without the tentacles!

 

I'm too old-school to buy that argument, but I think GW would support you in this. Back in MY day (insert winky face here) the chaos gods were a lot more chaosy and their 'gifts' would as often turn you into a gibbering mess as a super-being bloated with barely-controlled power. The attention of the gods is something you're not really sure if you want. That was part of the fun, really. But, Kraut clearly cleaves to the idea of a less-mutated chaos and his Knight exemplifies it to a tee. I love the range in this hobby. 

[crimsonhand]

agreed completely Jeff. 

Sorry, I meant no offense by that. I just meant more because of how corrupted his Knight had become. 

[JeffTibbetts]

agreed completely Jeff. 

Sorry, I meant no offense by that. I just meant more because of how corrupted his Knight had become. 

 

Oh, no offense even remotely taken! And for what it's worth, his Knight really seems to have a lot of cosmetic alterations, but not really any real mutation the way FW stuff tends to. 

[Daemon2027]

 

 

I'm wondering if the handprints are a detail for real life rather then the photos, although you can see them nicely in the close ups.

 

On Harrowthorne, I don't think he needs to be Chaosy. Not every servant of the true gods will be mutated, or mad or even pure evil. Many will have converted to Chaos believing it was a better alternative to the imperium. And someone with strong will and ruthless ability could rise up without becoming a mutated mess. If you look at the top champions of the gods they are all mostly stable (mostly) I think the real gifts the gods give are power without the tentacles!

I'm too old-school to buy that argument, but I think GW would support you in this. Back in MY day (insert winky face here) the chaos gods were a lot more chaosy and their 'gifts' would as often turn you into a gibbering mess as a super-being bloated with barely-controlled power. The attention of the gods is something you're not really sure if you want. That was part of the fun, really. But, Kraut clearly cleaves to the idea of a less-mutated chaos and his Knight exemplifies it to a tee. I love the range in this hobby.

What I meant was that 9/10 of those who get the attention of the Gods will end up with mutations and probably insanity and spawndom. However that 1, either through, luck, or just the fickle nature of the Gods will misd these gifts and be like Harrowthorne, to continue the glorious fight. Of course he is one moment away from waking and being moulded to his command throne.

 

Anyway I'll stop derailing this plog.

[KrautScientist]

Hmm, on the matter of chaotic mutations, I am very much aware of the vintage chaos fluff, where physical corruption was much more prevalent and much, much more erratic. My own approach is probably based on being socialised in this hobby by bothe HeroQuest and GW's "red period" for chaos, which made me see chaos as this heavily armoured, faceless wall of iron. So my dislike for overly mutated models may have been born there and then.

 

However, for the 4th assault company and Baron Harrowthorne, there's also the fact that I want there to be a feeling of them trying to keep (physical) corruption at bay, at least to some degree: Legionaries that are too far gone will be organised into suicide squads (or be chained up inside the company's fighting pits), because Lorimar fears that this type of corruption, along with the madness induced by the Butcher's Nails, will lead to the utter devolution of the company he has sacrificed everything for. Of course he's fighting a losing battle, but that's kind of a pervading theme for my World Eaters army: That they do try to keep themselves together, even though they are ultimately sure to fall.

 

As for the Baron, I don't really see him embracing chaos as something to be actively worshipped. Maybe he rather has a grudging acceptance towards Khorne as an embodiment of martial prowess? Or maybe he's really more of a nihilist by now, after witnessing his own sense of honour damning everything he held dear. But he still fights in the only way he can, and he is the only survivor of his house, and therefore he has to keep up appearances instead of letting himself get possessed or anything. And his Knight, as Jeff Tibbett's has correctly pointed out, really isn't all that corrupted: all the physical alterations are really artificial and cosmetic: Put there by Harrowthorne's Sacristans in order to strike fear into the hearts of his enemies -- although I suppose the Knight's machine spirit might be pretty vicious and evil by now ;)

 

Anyway, just to explain my reasoning behind the less corrupted look...

[JeffTibbetts]

Yeah, K-Sci. I think everything you just explained comes through perfectly in your army.

[GodEmperorOfMankind]

This is amazing! All my likes

[Daemon2027]

Mutations could be mental as well, a change in behaviour. I better Harrowthorne, even if he isn't outright worshiping Khorne, would find himself being more aggressive, although from the look of him I would say it's a cold fury.

[Noctus Cornix]

Love the daemonic visage on the chestplate, Kraut. It really makes it pop and helps break up the red of the model a bit better. Well done!