Rafen IX Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 I'm pretty sure levitate restricts assault afterwards. I don't think you'll see more than regular '6 move followed by wings extra '6 plus assault and possibly/hopefully fleet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/54/#findComment-3865325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 FotD is very unlikely to return since it was essentially made into 'terrify' in 6th. Same for almost every other BA power except maybe lance and wings. I'd actually be a little disappointed if all we get are watered down versions of the BRB powers, because let's face it, biomancy for instance is a far better pool of fighty powers than our old codex powers. We'll see, maybe we get improved BRB powers collected into one psychic deck. That would be both awesome and convenient. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/54/#findComment-3865333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelus Mortifer Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 I'm pretty sure levitate restricts assault afterwards. I don't think you'll see more than regular '6 move followed by wings extra '6 plus assault and possibly/hopefully fleet. Maybe, and yes some of the possibles could be a bit extreme; but if they limit it to 6" move/6" wings/2D6" assault, then it's not worth even considering for a JP Psyker, as it's the same distance and wouldn't be worth taking up a power slot. Will be interesting to see what they do with it if we get it back. I would hedge a bet and say it would end up being a dedicated Meph power (and maybe Libby Dreads) on that basis, and maybe not universally accessible then. Given where the Psi phase now sits, could they change it to be a buff to your Asst move perhaps? The only unit I know of that charges further than anyone else is the Eversor Assassin (3D6"), so there is a precedent I suppose. Maybe Wings becomes universal for BA and allows a 3D6" charge for Psyker (and unit) so: 12" JP move/6" normal move + 3D6" assault. You still run the risk of whiffing badly on occasion but your average range goes up with the extra dice... and it marries into the "Assault" chapter many feel should remain/be reinforced. Aaaah, the joys of speculation Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/54/#findComment-3865338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafen IX Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Hmm I see what you are suggesting brother and I know what you mean about the psychic phase. I just don't see it buffing the squad as well. But yes the speculation is fantastic :) Oh and I love he book reference, that scene in 'Fear to Tread' is by far one of my stand out favourites. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/54/#findComment-3865386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 "Wings of Sanguinius" Blessing: Instead of rolling for assault range as normal, the unit may automtically assault up to 12". The opponent may overwtch as normal. That would be nice Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/54/#findComment-3865582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrunTeufel Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 That is too good to be true. Fingers crossed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/54/#findComment-3865584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 I almost think that something to protect our chargers from Overwatch would be nice, but it's hard to imagine how to do that without making our army into a hard counter for the Tau, which wouldn't be fair. Some kind of pass an Initiative or Leadership test or lose your Overwatch shots thing? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/54/#findComment-3865641 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrunTeufel Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 I almost think that something to protect our chargers from Overwatch would be nice, but it's hard to imagine how to do that without making our army into a hard counter for the Tau, which wouldn't be fair. Some kind of pass an Initiative or Leadership test or lose your Overwatch shots thing? Ld test seems reasonable. That is more balanced at least. Otherwise tau is dead as soon as you reach their lines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/54/#findComment-3865682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelus Mortifer Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Hmm I see what you are suggesting brother and I know what you mean about the psychic phase. I just don't see it buffing the squad as well. But yes the speculation is fantastic Oh and I love he book reference, that scene in 'Fear to Tread' is by far one of my stand out favourites. Yeah, the squad benefit is probably a bit much but one can always dream. Some of our old powers have been modified and come under the generic BRB powers, so maybe they might just add some new ones specific to us. As for the book ref signature, those few lines truly encapsulate for me what the 9th Legion are all about. Ha, even poor and twisted Horus knew it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/54/#findComment-3866026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CornishMike Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 I almost think that something to protect our chargers from Overwatch would be nice, but it's hard to imagine how to do that without making our army into a hard counter for the Tau, which wouldn't be fair. Some kind of pass an Initiative or Leadership test or lose your Overwatch shots thing? I'm not convinced on this... Ld would be kind of OK, but most Tau squads have Ld of 7, or 8 with a sergeant... As for taking an Initiative test? "Roll a 1 or a 2, or you don't overwatch, get charged, lose 25%, fail morale check, fail Init check and get chased up"... I used to play Tau, and I lose count of the number of times a unit got charged, lost 3 Fire Warriors, and then lost the whole unit due to chase up rule... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/54/#findComment-3866029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Are you all really that scared of overwatch? I only think I've ever lost 1-2 models from it over the course of games. Put an IC at the front of the unit and have them LO,S! Wounds onto nearby models so you dont lose charge distance if guys die. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/54/#findComment-3866054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Are you all really that scared of overwatch? I only think I've ever lost 1-2 models from it over the course of games. Put an IC at the front of the unit and have them LO,S! Wounds onto nearby models so you dont lose charge distance if guys die. Not really that scared... I'm just trying to think of little things we could do to chip away at the edges of the boundaries of the towering collection of rules that prevent assault from being effective, but without turning the Blood Angels into a hard counter for shooting armies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/54/#findComment-3866068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Another way to mitigate is to combo charge with something like a Dreadnought or Mephiston. Send them in first to eat what little Overwatch fire there is, then send in the rest. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/54/#findComment-3866074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafen IX Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 How often do you charge eldar d weapons brother? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/54/#findComment-3866106 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 In the rare event that D-Scythes come out to play, no one in their right mind charges them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/54/#findComment-3866120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 In the rare event that D-Scythes come out to play, no one in their right mind charges them. Doesn't have to be the scythes... but even if it is, gotta deal with them in some way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/54/#findComment-3866124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafen IX Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Right. I could have explained that more. But high strength weapons are a nightmare of gambling on overwatch. Also tau gun line supporting fire, I don't think it needs to be explained. You will lose more than a few models with that. And normally I don't like being negative on the forums, apologises brothers. New codex! :D R Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/54/#findComment-3866138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaezus Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Depends what you are charging, but in most cases a combi-charge is always best. In fact it's worth trying to plan this in at the start of the game. Who do you absolutely positively have to deal with hand-to-hand? D-weapons? Charge with the weakest unit first. Infantry squads? Charge with the strongest unit first. Or you could just put Corbulo at the front (if no D weapons) and render this discussion invalid :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/54/#findComment-3866164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 You can also use LoS blockers to limit the amount of non template weapons that can overwatch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/54/#findComment-3866166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaezus Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Personally I find using LOS blockers is the best way to nullify overwatch. You only need one model to have LOS to the target when you declare the charge. If that model is killed by OW the others can still charge so long as the distance is met. It's quite funny when players insist the whole unit can fire overwatch even though 90% of them can see nothing but the wall in front of their noses. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/54/#findComment-3866194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverson Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Personally I find using LOS blockers is the best way to nullify overwatch. You only need one model to have LOS to the target when you declare the charge. If that model is killed by OW the others can still charge so long as the distance is met. It's quite funny when players insist the whole unit can fire overwatch even though 90% of them can see nothing but the wall in front of their noses. i would assume the argument is that you are charging around that corner so everyone can see them when they get around it, does it say in the main rule book that only the models that have line of sight when the charge is declared can over watch as i have never played it that way and it would be a boost to my army if that was correct. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/54/#findComment-3866230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaezus Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 The only reference to LOS is in the 'declare charges' section. That is the only time you need LOS. The way I interpret it, that one model with LOS is the one alerting his squad to where the enemy are. Then the sergeant urges them forward, utilising surprise and agression to close with the enemy before they know what's happening. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/54/#findComment-3866236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafen IX Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Skytyrant Swarm- Hive Tyrant gaints 6" synapse, and the gargoyles can look out sir on a 2+. The tyrant and gargoyles are a single unit. This is going to be a headache. R Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/54/#findComment-3866602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spagunk Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Are you all really that scared of overwatch? I have lost half a squad to a necron overwatch round before. Figuring it was a fluke, I attempted to repeat a charge in another game against chaos and lost 4 assault marines there too, effectively gutting my assault troops. This becomes worse as you increase the quality of your assault troop since that means you are losing more points for every wound. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/54/#findComment-3866625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHelion Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Skytyrant Swarm- Hive Tyrant gaints 6" synapse, and the gargoyles can look out sir on a 2+. The tyrant and gargoyles are a single unit. This is going to be a headache. R Oh hell. That's gonna be fun. But then, I've never had much success with denying synapse. The LO,S is going to be the really annoying part, I fear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/54/#findComment-3866627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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