codex crimson slaughter.... yup, GW really hates us.

[Kol Saresk]

Wasn't possessed as troop something that BL and WB players wished? Well, so much about 'we don't care about strenght, we just want more fluffy options'.

 

 

Chaos community in a nutshell. We just use fluff as an excuse. ;)

[Valaskjalf]

Should have known GW would pull a dumb stunt like this. Prob realise they havent sold a possessed box in about 10months and thought this is a way to move them. Fapping retards....perhaps giving us decent rules in the first place would mean they wouldnt have to coax ppl into buying them. And again...did they forget that 6th is the shooty ed?? How many people ar GW share their collective braincell I wonder

[Sception]

Bwa hahah ha haha, oh, man, you're telling me I can pay $50 to field the worst unit in our book...  as troops?!  Sign me up! *tear *laughter

 

I mean, I love possessed, conceptually, but if this is just the black legion supplement, but with possessed as troops instead of chosen (maybe nothing is allowed vets instead of everything gets it, since they're recent renegades?), then I'll just laugh and shake my head and cry bitter tears.

 

Now, if they do something to make possessed meaningful apart from just taken as troops?  Delivery options?  Added durability somehow?  mitigation for the grenade issue?  Re-rolls on their wacky chart to make them even sorta reliable in melee?  If they do something to make them a meaningful choice instead of just the laziest possible move of making them troops and calling it done?  If they do, then I'll be all about it, I'll happily buy the book, and call it Codex: Tormented.

 

But the chances of that happening are approximately nil, so...  yeah

[Shuggnuggath]

I guess my point was that if it was a supplement then GW would not put themselves in a position where they are obligated to update it each time the rules edition changes.

 

If its a full blown codex it will inevitably gather a player base who will be disappointed when it gets neglected in the future. Talk about building a rod for your own back :P

[Wayniac]

Signs are pointing to it being a supplement, but it could just be called a Codex to encourage/force acceptance since a lot of supplements get restricted.

[Trevak Dal]

In which world is that good news ? Possessed are 26 points each, can´t have any wargear and have no guns.

In a edition that focuses on firefights, why should we take possessed as troops ?

 

Well...they're fearless I guess, and have only 'good' random rolls.

 

It could be somebody being a jerk, because everyone thinks lowly of possessed.

 

...Then again "Codex Crimson Slaughter" so I don't know guys. 

 

About the 'restriction' thing, I'm sure tournament organizers and store clubs are not that dumb to go "You can't use supplements, but the Crimson Slaughter Codex is A-Okay cause it's not a Supplement like that Cheesy Enclave book!"

[Sception]

You know what?  I freaking love possessed, conceptually.  If they just make them troops, that obviously doesn't fix anything, but if there are other changes in this book to make possessed even sorta pretend kinda functionalish as a unit, instead of the frustrating shameful disappointment they are right now, then I will retract all of my complaints and criticisms and buy it flat out.

[Wayniac]

You know what?  I freaking love possessed, conceptually.  If they just make them troops, that obviously doesn't fix anything, but if there are other changes in this book to make possessed even sorta pretend kinda functionalish as a unit, instead of the frustrating shameful disappointment they are right now, then I will retract all of my complaints and criticisms and buy it flat out.

 

I will say that it's a bit interesting to have that kind of throwback to Slaves to Darkness/Lost and the Damned with a warband of mutants.  I mean, I personally like my chaos less spiky and more ancient looking, but I can appreciate the nostalgic homage to its roots.  I might still withold judgment, I just want to be effective as a Chaos group without Heldrakes because I don't like the models and don't want to spend that much on them, but I also like the fluff and background of the actual chaos marines.

[Minsc]

I'm not interested in this 'codex'/supplement at all. 

 

I might be interested in the new models, if there are any, but from gaming/rule-perspective, CSM are broken in the core, and no supplement will fix this.

 

My 15.000 pts of CSM will most likely be shelved for the unseeable future after I celebrate them with a bang (tourney) at the end of March. My new 5000 pts of Salamanders will probably give me more enjoyment than my CSM has given me for the last 8 years...

[Sception]

This news has actually lightened my mood regarding a crimson slaughter book considerably.  If they take the opportunity to fix possessed, then I'll actually be legit excited about it, and retract all former complaints.  But even if they don't?  If it really is just the black legion book, but with troop possessed instead of troop chosen?  Well that to me just takes the whole mess from a frustrating, anger-inducing sort of stupid-bad that one extra step further into the laughable, ridiculous sort of funny-bad.  GW's treatment of chaos marines will have become an outright parody of itself.

 

What's that?  Chaos players aren't happy?  Well, why don't we re-sell them the same old models, but charge more for new box art!  What, they want new models?  How about a new dread - one of the most lackluster units in their book, but charge $10 more than the imperial version because it's just way worse!  What, chaos dreads are lousy and they want new rules?  How's this for new rules - another supplement! No, not for the popular legions or cult themes they keep asking for, but for a no-name warband nobody cares about!  And for rules, we'll let them take the worst unit in their book as troops!  Yeah!!!  Gold Star!  :p

 

I'm not even being sarcastic.  I find it straight up humorous at this point.  I mean, yeah, it's frustrating and inconvenient, but it's still funny.  Like I'm trying to order a food at a restaurant and all I want to do is give them my money in exchange for the food I ordered, but the waiter is some sort of goofy circus clown who keeps tripping and splattering the food all over my face, or spraying me with seltzer water when I ask for a drink refill.

[Vesper]

Possessed ? As troops ?

 

http://nsa33.casimages.com/img/2013/06/20/130620081509849805.gif

[Sception]

*versper's all slowly looking up from his book, while Mal is just guffawing his ass off in the background*

[Vassius]

Maybe, it´s all a big joke. I amused. Codex Crimson Slaughter, then a new Drednaught model, now possessed as tropps. Very funny.

What´s next ? Maybe a defiler as general ?

[Wayniac]

Maybe, it´s all a big joke. I amused. Codex Crimson Slaughter, then a new Drednaught model, now possessed as tropps. Very funny.

What´s next ? Maybe a defiler as general ?

The sad part is that I really like the Helbrute (I've always liked my Chaos Dreads) and while I don't care for Slaves to Darkness-style mutations, even the idea of Possessed is neat. Just the rules are garbage and GW seems to have fully bought this "We're a miniatures company!" kool-aid and figure they don't have to actually have good rules.

[Bishope]

I can see Possessed becoming great options if one of 2 things were done to them (I don't actually think either will happen though).

 

1 - Allow them to take drop pods with the standard loyalist drop pod goodness

 

2 - Make them beasts along with the daemon and fleet rules that they already have

 

I think I would most like option #2. Even with a drop pod, GW still will not let them assault from reserve, so they would drop and then stand around getting shot for a turn.

[Trevak Dal]

Well they did move it up, so it could be an April Fool's joke early?

[Ammonius]

Maybe, it´s all a big joke. I amused. Codex Crimson Slaughter, then a new Drednaught model, now possessed as tropps. Very funny.

What´s next ? Maybe a defiler as general ?

If GW releases a book that allows for a Defiler to be your HQ and Warlord, then I will buy that book, and build that model, because that would be awesome.

[Brother Ambroz]

Seriously a defiler general would be awesome so that's not really a joking matter.

[Clewz]

I can see Possessed becoming great options if one of 2 things were done to them (I don't actually think either will happen though).

 

1 - Allow them to take drop pods with the standard loyalist drop pod goodness

 

2 - Make them beasts along with the daemon and fleet rules that they already have

 

I think I would most like option #2. Even with a drop pod, GW still will not let them assault from reserve, so they would drop and then stand around getting shot for a turn.

I'd settle for rules like the gal vorbak in hh

[Smurfalypse]

 

 

Even though they only are warbands calling themselves after a legion, they still fight like their parent legion.

 

the iron warriors laid siege.

the night lords instilled fear with ambushes.

the thousand sons went all magicky

the world eaters went all berzerk

 

i fully agree. There are no legions anymore, save for maybe the word bearers. Not even any of the loyalists can be defined as a legion. But most warbands or chapters that had a parent legion and still identify themselves with that legion still fight like that legion.

And there are Renegades who fight just like them.

 

So what, shaft the Renegades to give focus to the broken Legions? Keep focusing on the same nine names because "it expands our scope of the 40K universe to keep staring at the same stars?"

 

Everyone is saying I'm missing the point, but as usually, the Chaos community doesn't bother looking at mine. The Night Reapers are a Renegade Chapter that uses Fear tactics. The Death Shadows are another Renegade Chapter that use terror tactics. In other words, both Chapters use terror tactics, just like the Night Lords!

 

"What are you saying Kol? That we should give consideration to the Chaos Marines outside the Legions who can be grouped into the same "Traits Category" because they use the same tactics? And that instead of calling them Legion tactics, we instead call them Terror tactics, siege tactics, Slaaneshi warbands and Khorne warbands?"

 

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/light-bulb-idea-821688.jpg

I just wanted to add this on. Mostly focusing on this line "Everyone is saying I'm missing the point, but as usually, the Chaos community doesn't bother looking at mine. The Night Reapers are a Renegade Chapter that uses Fear tactics. The Death Shadows are another Renegade Chapter that use terror tactics. In other words, both Chapters use terror tactics, just like the Night Lords!"

 

Yes indeedy, and they have rules in their codex that allow them to be played as such, we on the other hand do not. All anyone wants is a way to represent their army the way the the fluff showed them at one point and we are being denied that for the last 7 years. Your arguement (and it looks like it is passed the point of debate and certainly moved into the realm of argument) is to basically shove off if we want to represent a Legions tactics in a warband.

 

Kinda not cool when you think about it, allowing others to play the game they wish to be played while you and a small minority of others tell everyone else to shove off is a bit rude and mean spirited I think.

 

Had to edit cause I was mainly talking about SM having their "Legion" rules for their Chapters. That along basically blows any "Legions do not exist anymore" talk out of the water in a way.

[Kol Saresk]

And again, BAM. Shoot the guy who disagrees with the Chaos community.

 

It's funny how I present three examples that say "Showcase the Legions and Renegades who use the same tactics" and instead its being treated like "Shaft the Legions."

 

 

Nobody is saying "shaft the renegades"...

 

...just "don't forget the legions are there too"...

Okay then, what is wrong with a "Lord of Terror" Codex that showcases the Night Lords, Night Reapers and Death Shadows, who all use terror tactics? What would be wrong with a Codex: Khorne that showcases the World Eaters, Sanctified and Blood Disciples? Or a Codex: Slaanesh that shows off Emperor's Children, Violators and Flawless Host?

 

I understand that this Codex: Crimson Slaughter, will very doubtful be any of these. I understand that. But so far, most of the suggestions I've seen are "Legion rules, then mono-god rules and then worry about the Renegades." Why? Why do that when we can hit all three in a satisfactory compromise by defining them by army types, since that's all the 3.5 Codex did and everyone seemed happy with that?

 

 

But hey, forget me for actually trying to think that all of the Chaos community should have rules that allow them to play their warbands their way, not just those who play Legions. Because, you know, those Swords of Khargoth aren't really Berzerkers unless they're World Eaters.

[Wade Garrett]

The Night Reapers are a Renegade Chapter that uses Fear tactics. The Death Shadows are another Renegade Chapter that use terror tactics. In other words, both Chapters use terror tactics, just like the Night Lords!

 

"I have a question for you. Why don't you piss drinking little whoresons abase yourselves before warriors of the First Legions?"

-Xarl of First Claw, speaking for a goodly portion of the Chaos community on the subject of Renegades

[Tenebris]

So ... possessed as troops.... someone somewhere is laughing hard... 

 

Once again we are to be played as fools. 

 

I love the concept of possessed, hell I secretly wish for a possessed HQ with random goodness but alas as troops unless they are properly delivered and supported the possessed suck hard... but really really hard...

 

Let's wait and see...

[Scribe]

 

The Night Reapers are a Renegade Chapter that uses Fear tactics. The Death Shadows are another Renegade Chapter that use terror tactics. In other words, both Chapters use terror tactics, just like the Night Lords!

"I have a question for you. Why don't you piss drinking little whoresons abase yourselves before warriors of the First Legions?"

-Xarl of First Claw, speaking for a goodly portion of the Chaos community on the subject of Renegades

 

This.

 

As for the release? Bring it on. I would run them as Word Bearers of course, the army that should be 'Possessed' heavy, not some trivial renegade nobodies, but such is life.

 

Codex: Word Bearers, would excite people, and if you could make your Lord 'possessed' would be fun and fluffy.

Codex: Who?, just another miss by GW.

 

As for the competitiveness of the release, its as mentioned. Without delivery options, its all meaningless in the current meta of Eldar and Tau abuse.

 

Cool idea for a book though honestly, just should have gone with the correct name.

[Kol Saresk]

 

 

The Night Reapers are a Renegade Chapter that uses Fear tactics. The Death Shadows are another Renegade Chapter that use terror tactics. In other words, both Chapters use terror tactics, just like the Night Lords!

"I have a question for you. Why don't you piss drinking little whoresons abase yourselves before warriors of the First Legions?"

-Xarl of First Claw, speaking for a goodly portion of the Chaos community on the subject of Renegades

 

 

Yep. Don't recall he says that as his Warband is begging for aid from those same Corsairs. That in return for their aid, they fight for the Red Corsairs. And that by the end of the book, they only fight, a single Corsair. Because the rest were killed by a Corsair who betrayed his brethren. Meanwhile, the Corsairs destroy the Covenant of Blood. And badly maul the Echo of Damnation. Because that would give the Red Corsairs every reason to not bend the knee.