Hesh Kadesh Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 There will always be beat in slot choices, in as much as it is like saying a Knight cannot counter a bishop in chess. A knight can still be countered by a Rook, or even a Pawn. It just takes a bit more thought and effort. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/18/#findComment-4319281 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 as i said , I take little issue with this , I simply find myself building lists with other units then going " yea but that puts a hole here " I was going into the event with two Battle Tanks and Realized that I just straight up couldn't so I swapped one to a deredeo and re wrote the list Its like you said about the Typhon Im going to buy one cause at the lower point value ill just get more out of it than my glaive or fellblade I dont even see it as min maxing its just fielding stuff that covers more bases / allows me to cover more bases The sad part is , I want very badly to take Dorn when he shows up but that will present its own problems Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/18/#findComment-4319285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakoBoy88 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Given my hobby moan last night, I am trying to take a really themey stone gauntlet list with some interesting choices and it's proving hard. Beyond Breachers, support teams and a few tanks it's difficult. Can you take 1 Knight as an ally or does it have to be three? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/18/#findComment-4319485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 2 actually. The Questoris Knights list simply uses HQs, Troops, etc. and attaches the Household Ranks to specific Knight chassis'. So as an Allied Detachment, you'd need an HQ and a Troop as a minimum - pretty good for Knights! Personally, I'd go for Seneschal (HQ) Lancer and Scion Martial (Troops) Atrapos. But that's just me. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/18/#findComment-4319491 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakoBoy88 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 That's mega dollar though. I have two of the GW plastic Knights I could sub in for now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/18/#findComment-4319496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 26, 2016 Author Share Posted February 26, 2016 The Plastic GW Knights are totally fine for use. If you have book 4 (or glance at 1d4chan or sail the seven seas of the internet), you'll find the Questoris Knight list which should help you immensely. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/18/#findComment-4319499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakoBoy88 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Perfect :) thanks gang. Any other units that would sum up a Polux led Breacher army well? Would Mechanicum units be used at all? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/18/#findComment-4319535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 26, 2016 Author Share Posted February 26, 2016 They could be used to fill gaps or roles that Stone Gauntlet wouldnt otherwise permit or circumvent General Army list limitations but thats about it. Like getting a 2nd Artillery Tank Battery of 3 Medusas with Ordo Reductor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/18/#findComment-4319543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakoBoy88 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Yeah been looking into it and it's pretty cool but I don't think it's massively filling gaps I haven't got covered. Breachers are so unwieldy Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/18/#findComment-4319578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 26, 2016 Author Share Posted February 26, 2016 Its not that their unwieldy but that they have a learning curve associated to them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/18/#findComment-4319582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakoBoy88 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Ah! Well that's good to know!! I'm up to that challenge. Any tips? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/18/#findComment-4319731 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Ive found breacher units to be okay in ZM with melta guns XD they take out stuff like contemptors and can absorb a good bit of damage with attached apothecary Stone Gauntlet in Mortalis is a lot of fun but this assumes yer in an environment where someone will let you take a Rite of War with yer ZM list I am curious to see how folks run them in open air missions , I havent had much luck with them there Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/18/#findComment-4321871 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 29, 2016 Author Share Posted February 29, 2016 Considering that there is a ZM specific ROW now... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/18/#findComment-4321880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 The argument can be made by the opponent that , thats the rite of war for ZM and were not allowed to take others , im not saying I agree with that , im just saying some folks like to nit pick over the stupidest things Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/18/#findComment-4321896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Ask them to point to the text in the book that says it's only usable in ZM, I bet they can't find it :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/18/#findComment-4322080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakoBoy88 Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Well I have two units now! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/18/#findComment-4322742 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Considering that there is a ZM specific ROW now... I really hope the +1 Inv Save to Shields is shared with the Stone Guantlet when the update the LoIC book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/18/#findComment-4323700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted March 1, 2016 Author Share Posted March 1, 2016 OH GOD I WANT THAT SO BAD! >_< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/18/#findComment-4323701 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Lots of great information here y'all - thanks ! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/18/#findComment-4324924 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Lots of great information here y'all - thanks ! Are you still trying to run Templar brethren out of Rhinos? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/18/#findComment-4324946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 Speaking of low point values and expensive units How exactly would you run a 2k list Slipstreams Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/18/#findComment-4325690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted March 4, 2016 Author Share Posted March 4, 2016 I dunno. Depends. This would be one. Not so much an Alpha as it is a 1-2 Punch. If you're going 2nd you kinda have to sacrifice your Terminators doing much of anything by starting them on the board in heavy cover because otherwise you only have the Deredeo on there T1. +++ Imperial Fists 2k (2000pts) +++ ++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (2000pts) ++ + HQ (180pts) + Legion Praetor (180pts) [Artificer Armour, Digital Lasers, Iron Halo, Mastercraft a Single Weapon, Paragon Blade] ··Master of the Legion [Pride of the Legion] + Troops (460pts) + Legion Terminator Squad (230pts) [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, 4x Combi-Weapon, 4x Legion Terminators, Teleportation Transponder] ··Legion Terminator Sergeant [Combi-Weapon, Power Fist] Legion Terminator Squad (230pts) [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, 4x Combi-Weapon, 4x Legion Terminators, Teleportation Transponder] ··Legion Terminator Sergeant [Combi-Weapon, Power Fist] + Elites (345pts) + Templar Brethren (345pts) [7x Combat Shield, Legion Vexilla, Melta Bombs, Nuncio-vox, 7x Templar Brethren] ··Chapter Champion [Combat Shield, Solarite Power Gauntlet] + Fast Attack (100pts) + Anvillus Pattern Dreadclaw Drop Pod (100pts) + Heavy Support (915pts) + Deredeo Pattern Dreadnought (185pts) Leviathan Siege Dreadnought Talon (360pts) ··Leviathan Siege Dreadnought [Cyclonic Melta Lance, Legion Dreadnought Drop Pod, Leviathan Siege Drill] Leviathan Siege Dreadnought Talon (370pts) ··Leviathan Siege Dreadnought [Grav-flux Bombard, Legion Dreadnought Drop Pod, Phosphex Discharger] + Legion + Legion Astartes [VII: Imperial Fists] Or this more Artillery-Styled List: +++ Imperial Fists 2k v2 (2000pts) +++ ++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (1880pts) ++ + HQ (265pts) + Legion Centurion (145pts) [Artificer Armour, Boarding Shield, Melta Bombs, Solarite Power Gauntlet] ··Consul [siege Breaker] Legion Centurion (120pts) [Artificer Armour, Power Weapon, Refractor Field] ··Consul [Vigilator] + Troops (485pts) + Legion Breacher Siege Squad (300pts) [2x Graviton Gun, 9x Legion Breacher Siege Space Marines, Legion Vexilla, Nuncio-Vox] ··Legion Breacher Siege Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Power Weapon] Legion Tactical Squad (185pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla, Nuncio-Vox] ··Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs] + Elites (240pts) + Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (170pts) ··Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Quad Mortar ('Thud Gun')][Phosphex Shells, Shatter Shells] ··Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Quad Mortar ('Thud Gun')][Phosphex Shells, Shatter Shells] Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (170pts) ··Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Quad Mortar ('Thud Gun')][Phosphex Shells, Shatter Shells] ··Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Quad Mortar ('Thud Gun')][Phosphex Shells, Shatter Shells] + Heavy Support (890pts) + Deredeo Pattern Dreadnought (220pts) [Aiolos Missile Launcher] Legion Artillery Tank Squadron (310pts) [Legion Medusa, Legion Medusa] Leviathan Siege Dreadnought Talon (360pts) ··Leviathan Siege Dreadnought [Grav-flux Bombard, Legion Dreadnought Drop Pod, Leviathan Siege Drill] + Legion + Legion Astartes [VII: Imperial Fists] Or this POTL based one +++ Imperial Fists 2k v3 (1935pts) +++ ++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (1935pts) ++ + HQ (575pts) + Legion Praetor (575pts) [Digital Lasers, Mastercraft a Single Weapon, Paragon Blade, Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, Vigil Pattern Storm Shield] ··Legion Terminator Command Squad [Anvillus Pattern Dreadclaw Drop Pod, Chainfist, 3x Legion Space Marine Chosen, 2x Power Fist, Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, Thunder Hammer, 4x Vigil Pattern Storm Shield] ··Master of the Legion [Pride of the Legion] + Troops (640pts) + Legion Veteran Tactical Squad (320pts) [2x Heavy Bolter and Suspensor Web, Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 9x Legion Veteran Space Marines, Legion Vexilla, Nuncio-Vox, Sniper] ··Legion Veteran Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Power Fist] Legion Veteran Tactical Squad (320pts) [2x Heavy Bolter and Suspensor Web, Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 9x Legion Veteran Space Marines, Legion Vexilla, Nuncio-Vox, Sniper] ··Legion Veteran Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Power Fist] + Elites (240pts) + Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (120pts) ··Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Quad Mortar ('Thud Gun')] ··Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Quad Mortar ('Thud Gun')] Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (120pts) ··Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Quad Mortar ('Thud Gun')] ··Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Quad Mortar ('Thud Gun')] + Heavy Support (480pts) + Deredeo Pattern Dreadnought (220pts) [Aiolos Missile Launcher] Legion Vindicator (130pts) [Laser Destroyer Array] Legion Vindicator (130pts) [Laser Destroyer Array] + Legion + Legion Astartes [VII: Imperial Fists] The loose points is to accommodate the Rapier Change. 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Lord Blackwood Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 (edited) Interesting , thank you for the different looks curious as to what guys like Hesh would run Personally Id find the first two lists quite scary with the list im looking to run. Edited March 4, 2016 by Bladewolf Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/18/#findComment-4325732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted March 4, 2016 Author Share Posted March 4, 2016 The 2nd one by just taking the Leviathan out, taking Polux instead of a Vigilator and turning the Tac Squad into a breacher squad and using the remaining free points to buff out the Medusa first then the Rapier makes for a pretty decent "Come at me bro" Stone Gauntlet list. The thing though with the list being changed in such a manner makes it much more of an Immobile Castle Gunline list and would benefit greatly from any fortifications you could slap in there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/18/#findComment-4325737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phalanx Warder Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 Here is the 2k list I just ran against Dark Eldar and it hammered hard. HQ Delegatus (AA, Refractor Field, PW) MoS (AA, Refractor Field) Troops X 2 Legion Tactical Squad (AA, Vex, Vox) Legion Tactical Support Squad (10 man, Volkite Calivers, AA) Elite x 2 Legion Apothecaries Legion Veteran Tactical Squad (AA, MB, x 2 Heavy Bolters, Sniper USR, Vex, Vox) x 2 Laser Rapier Destroyers Heavy Support x 2 Legion Medusas Legion Vindicator Legion Heavy Support Squad (10 man, Auto Cannons, AA) Not strong anti air but still hits hard! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/18/#findComment-4325876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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