Lord Blackwood Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 i pick them up and throw them in the trash = n = I hate recon squads jimbo13 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/43/#findComment-4464951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo13 Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 i pick them up and throw them in the trash = n = I hate recon squads Lol sage but over zealous advice!!! Should've expected this from a Templar Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/43/#findComment-4464958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 12, 2016 Author Share Posted August 12, 2016 (edited) I don't. They do nothing Vets/Seekers don't already do apart from being Non-Compulsory Troops outside of Recon Company with the previous two options being all round better, especially Vets. That is, apart from being 5 "cheap" melta bombs a Scouting Nuncio-Vox when in Scout Armour and having a Dedicated Storm Eagle as an option. Edited August 12, 2016 by Slipstreams Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/43/#findComment-4464959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo13 Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 So... Take vets is what you're saying... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/43/#findComment-4464961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 12, 2016 Author Share Posted August 12, 2016 Comparatively speaking, what do the Recon Marines bring to the table then? jimbo13 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/43/#findComment-4464962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo13 Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 Camoeline cloaks? And scout. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/43/#findComment-4464963 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 12, 2016 Author Share Posted August 12, 2016 If thats all they really bring for being a relatively expensive 5 man squad, don't you think you've got better options? :P jimbo13 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/43/#findComment-4464977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 They are a way to get a nuncio vox far up the board if you scout and infiltrate. This can work well for rites like Drop Assault Vanguard. Or just take a Damocles for a more concervative but sturdy bubble. They should be 100 points with the cloaks and sniper rifles should be pinning. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/43/#findComment-4464990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jensvdb Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 I dont use them either. they are very useless compared to other Troops, especially as they Non-Compulsory. And they dont fit my concept ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/43/#findComment-4465107 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo13 Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 If thats all they really bring for being a relatively expensive 5 man squad, don't you think you've got better options? :P Since you put it like that... I probably do... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/43/#findComment-4465223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 I'll probably fit a minimal unit into my BA list because of the Jump Infantry coming down... But otherwise... Pretty useless imo and like Terminus said a Damocles is almost identical in cost/ function but adds much more to the list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/43/#findComment-4465266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo13 Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 Lol I feel like with an alpha legion list they could be balling. With mutable tactics and legion recon company. BLACK BLΠFLY and Castellan Michael 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/43/#findComment-4465477 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronDrake28 Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 (edited) I dunno about that, Scout and Infiltrate wouldn't help, Counter-attack and Move Through Cover are meh to say the least (for recon squads who want to stay still and far away). Which leaves Tank Hunters, I suppose it could come in handy :P Edited August 12, 2016 by IronDrake28 BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/43/#findComment-4465588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 There is potential there, it's just that the tax is too high for most lists to buy all those recon marines. You pay for three tactical squads, and get half as many guys with no transport options. If recon company's tax was only one squad, I'd be tempted to load up on assault marines, veterans and rapiers, and pick infiltrate as my mutable tactic, and conqueror of cities for Skorr's warlord trait. That way the whole list starts within shooting range, while having 5+ cover in the open and 2+ while behind any kind of ruins. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/43/#findComment-4465617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 ^Dude, even with the tax that sounds pretty hilarious and Alpha legion-y. BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/43/#findComment-4465733 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AfroCampbell Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Best loadouts for Vets? I just picked some up today :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/43/#findComment-4472333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 19, 2016 Author Share Posted August 19, 2016 Depends but BS5 Sniper Bolter Vets are hard to beat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/43/#findComment-4472334 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 BS5 Sons of Horus everything? :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/43/#findComment-4472336 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 19, 2016 Author Share Posted August 19, 2016 BS5 Sons of Horus everything? With Rapid Fire and Assault weapons at 12" or less. Sure. But we're also talking IF vets sooooo...yeah. Thousand Eyes and AfroCampbell 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/43/#findComment-4472337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AfroCampbell Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Heavy Bolter??? other options?? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/43/#findComment-4472349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 19, 2016 Author Share Posted August 19, 2016 (edited) I run my own vets as: 10men, 2x Heavy Bolters, Artificer Armour, Power Fist, Melta Bombs in a Rhino. After that its up to you. You could give them a few Combi-Flamers/Grenade for "Rending" templates or Plasma/Melta for more punch. Same goes for Power Weapons spread throughout the squad. Edited August 19, 2016 by Slipstreams Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/43/#findComment-4472355 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 (edited) I run ten with plasma gun and heavy bolter - nice lil combo. Sarge has AA, PF, MB and combi flamer... Four power axes as well. And a rhino for the metal bawkz. Edited August 20, 2016 by Black Orange Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/43/#findComment-4473315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 20, 2016 Author Share Posted August 20, 2016 Vets can only take Squadwide Melta Bombs so if you aren't doing that, you might want to correct that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/43/#findComment-4473318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 Thanks for the catch Slips. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/43/#findComment-4473325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 20, 2016 Author Share Posted August 20, 2016 So, got a 5k-per-player apoc game in september and I'll probably be on the same side as Wolf_Pack since its probably going to be a 3v3 Loyalists vs Traitors. This is what I'm looking to be bringing: +++ September Apoc (5000pts) +++ ++ Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List (Age of Darkness) (5000pts) ++ + HQ (525pts) + Legion Centurion (150pts) [Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Refractor Field, Solarite Power Gauntlet] ··Consul [Forge Lord] ··Legiones Astartes [Legion Specific Rules] ··Techmarine/Forgelord Options [Cyber-familiar, Rad Grenades] Legion Centurion (145pts) [Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Refractor Field, Solarite Power Gauntlet] ··Consul [Primus Medicae] ··Legiones Astartes [Legion Specific Rules] Sigismund (230pts) ··Legiones Astartes [Legion Specific Rules] + Troops (2405pts) + Legion Terminator Squad (895pts) [Chainfist, 9x Legion Terminators, Power Fist, Tartaros Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, Thunderhammer, 9x Vigil Pattern Storm Shield] ··Legion Spartan Assault Tank [Armoured Ceramite, Auxiliary Drive, Dozer Blade, Flare Shield] ··Legion Terminator Sergeant [Thunderhammer, Vigil Pattern Storm Shield] ··Legiones Astartes [Legion Specific Rules] Legion Terminator Squad (265pts) [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, Chainfist, 4x Combi-Weapon, 4x Legion Terminators, 2x Power Fist, Teleportation Transponder, Thunderhammer] ··Legion Terminator Sergeant [Combi-Weapon, Thunderhammer] ··Legiones Astartes [Legion Specific Rules] Legion Veteran Tactical Squad (305pts) [2x Heavy Bolter and Suspensor Web, Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 9x Legion Veteran Space Marines, Legion Vexilla, Marksmen, Melta Bombs, Nuncio-Vox] ··Legion Veteran Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Power Fist] ··Legiones Astartes [Legion Specific Rules] Legion Veteran Tactical Squad (305pts) [2x Heavy Bolter and Suspensor Web, Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 9x Legion Veteran Space Marines, Legion Vexilla, Marksmen, Melta Bombs, Nuncio-Vox] ··Legion Veteran Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Power Fist] ··Legiones Astartes [Legion Specific Rules] Templar Brethren (635pts) [8x Combat Shield, Legion Vexilla, Melta Bombs, Nuncio-vox, 8x Templar Brethren] ··Chapter Champion [Combat Shield, Solarite Power Gauntlet] ··Legion Land Raider Phobos [Armoured Ceramite, Auxiliary Drive, Dozer Blade] ··Legiones Astartes [Legion Specific Rules] + Elites (680pts) + Apothecarion Detachment (65pts) ··Legion Apothecary [Artificer Armour, Power Sword] ····Legiones Astartes [Legion Specific Rules] Contemptor Dreadnought Talon (315pts) ··Legion Contemptor Dreadnought [Chainfist with inbuilt twin-linked Bolter, Graviton Gun, Kheres Pattern Assault Cannon, Legion Dreadnought Drop Pod] Contemptor Dreadnought Talon (300pts) ··Legion Contemptor Dreadnought [Graviton Gun, Legion Dreadnought Drop Pod, Plasma Cannon] + Heavy Support (1005pts) + Achilles-Alpha Pattern Land Raider (300pts) Deredeo Pattern Dreadnought (270pts) [Aiolos Missile Launcher, Single Arachnus pattern heavy lascannon battery] Leviathan Siege Dreadnought Talon (435pts) ··Leviathan Siege Dreadnought [Armoured Ceramite, Cyclonic Melta Lance, Legion Dreadnought Drop Pod, Phosphex Discharger, 2x Twin-linked Volkite Caliver] + Legion + Legion Astartes [Loyalist, VII: Imperial Fists] + Lord of War (385pts) + Rogal Dorn (385pts) ··Master of the Legion [Pride of the Legion] Created with BattleScribe The 5 man terminators were are more or less a filler unit since I currently don't own a 265 point "something" else that could fill that spot in better. If you've seen Wolf_Packs 5k list he posted in the IH Tactica thread, I feel like we'll complement each other well enough especially since we're apparently going to be the attackers as part of the Scenario thats planned for the game. Our Usual Raven Guard and his "DROP POD LITERALLY EVERYTHING" army won't be able to make it this time so it's up in the air as to who'll be our 3rd (if its still a 3v3). If I'm going to hazard a Guess it might either be our Mechanicum/Solar Aux/Word Bearers/Knights player (depending on what he brings) or our Death Guard Player (aka 1000Sons) since our other players, afaik, are Iron Warriors (BOO! OUR MOST HATED ENEMY!) and Night Lord whos so traitorous he betrays the traitors when it's convenient (as a Night Lord should). We'll see. Should be fun either way. BLACK BLŒ FLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/292535-hh10-imperial-fists-tactics/page/43/#findComment-4473340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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