[HH1.0] Iron Warriors Tactics

[Charlo]

You are right, but only sort of!

 

It's a little weaker at S8, but because of barrage will always hit the side armour, plus it will fire minimum two shots, which is somewhat the same as one ordnance (as it gets two dice and picks the highest). Plus there is the possibility for more damage and more rolls! Up to 4!

[Brofist]

would havoks really be a thing? I  would imagine the fact that they would snapfire if they moved to be detrimental no ?

I've seen them used for good effect to shut down long hallways or chokepoints. BS5, hardened armour, and tank hunters ontop of it too.

[Plaguecaster]

Hey just wondering would a forge lord in cap termi armour with a conversion Beamer be a good hq to stick with some Tyrants for more fire power ????

[Brofist]

I'd consider a siege breaker instead, as they give the Tyrants tank hunter

[Flint13]

^And the breaker unlocks Phosphex for your other, inevitable artillery. 

[TwinOcted]

How do you guys equip your Siege Breakers, if you're going to put them with Tyrants? 

[Slips]

Cataphractii with a Chain Fist.

 

Nothing else, really. He has a Nuncio-Vox either way for spotting.

[Doctor Perils]

How do you guys equip your Siege Breakers, if you're going to put them with Tyrants? 

 

Cataphractii with a Chain Fist.

 

Nothing else, really. He has a Nuncio-Vox either way for spotting.

Or basically the Betrayal At Calth TermiPraetor ^^

[Terminus]

Minus combi-melta, although I'm tempted because even one BS5 tank hunting shot may be very lucrative. Of course, ideally nothing will get close to them and what does will eat chain and power fists.

[Doctor Perils]

Minus combi-melta, although I'm tempted because even one BS5 tank hunting shot may be very lucrative. Of course, ideally nothing will get close to them and what does will eat chain and power fists.

Yeah, that's the thing, I know the proliferation of Armoured Ceramite means that Melta isn't quite as interesting, but for the price of a combi-melta, an extra tank-hunting s8 ap1 shot could make a nice difference :)

[major higgins]

But.. There is a reason in the galaxy because Ultramarine's terminators with Cyclone missile are better than Tyrant and cost 70 points less? It sound to me pretty unfair! Is it the shadow of Gav Torpe to sneak around?

[Charlo]

But.. There is a reason in the galaxy because Ultramarine's terminators with Cyclone missile are better than Tyrant and cost 70 points less? It sound to me pretty unfair! Is it the shadow of Gav Torpe to sneak around?

 

They cost a LOT more....

[Runefyre]

 

But.. There is a reason in the galaxy because Ultramarine's terminators with Cyclone missile are better than Tyrant and cost 70 points less? It sound to me pretty unfair! Is it the shadow of Gav Torpe to sneak around?

 

They cost a LOT more....

 

^what Charlo said

 

Fulmentarus are like 700 odd points for 10 w/ cmls. And they come with just power weapons (tyrants come stock with power fists).

[major higgins]

mmm it sounds that the point cost was revisited in the red book that I still haven't in my hands... Am I right? Because in the manual n° 4 they cost 225 for 5 models...

[Runefyre]

You are correct, they are 225 points for a min squad of 5,but they don't come equipped with cyclone missile launchers, just peritarch targeters, combi-bolters, and power weapon. You've gotta purchase cml's for 30 pmm.

[Flint13]

Yeah, I'd take the Iron Tyrants every single time.

 

Tank Hunters is not worth the huge premium they pay for it, especially since it can be knocked down really easily. 

[Brofist]

Especially now that Tyrants are, depending where you play, potentially HS I do wish they were BS5 instead of BS4. Still a solid unit though.

[Runefyre]

Especially now that Tyrants are, depending where you play, potentially HS I do wish they were BS5 instead of BS4. Still a solid unit though.

I've always thought fearless would fit them as well, they are supposed to be the most suicidally brave warriors of the IV^th after all. +1 BS would be welcome as well.

[Charlo]

While obviously more expensive, if you get Perturabo with some Tyrants they essentially become Fulmentarus anyway, but aren't dependant on numbers for Buffs.

[Doctor Perils]

Yep, Tyrants are better, though it would have been nice for the Ultramarines to get their own special Termi unit rather then essentially a copy/paste. The fluff manages to denigrate both Perturabo and Guilliman at the same time when they say (in subtext) that Guilliman hasn't got the imagination to conjure up his own thing, yet manages to improve on Perturabo's specialty :(

[Terminus]

The targeter is the innovation I guess. Some kind of specialty missile would be nice. Like a flare for example, models firing at flared target have night vision and force -1 to cover saves, to go with the whole interlocking tactics methodology.

 

I think they would be fine if you cut the weapon costs in half.

Edited June 29, 2016 by Terminus

[Flint13]

Yep, Tyrants are better, though it would have been nice for the Ultramarines to get their own special Termi unit rather then essentially a copy/paste. The fluff manages to denigrate both Perturabo and Guilliman at the same time when they say (in subtext) that Guilliman hasn't got the imagination to conjure up his own thing, yet manages to improve on Perturabo's specialty :(

I can see where frustration can creep in for Ultramarine fans, but I don't think it's (intended as) so much a negative on Gulliman's part. More that the fluff really caters to the 30k Ultramarines "assimilate and improve" idea that was perfected by the Roman legions that the Ultras are modeled after.

[Doctor Perils]

 

Yep, Tyrants are better, though it would have been nice for the Ultramarines to get their own special Termi unit rather then essentially a copy/paste. The fluff manages to denigrate both Perturabo and Guilliman at the same time when they say (in subtext) that Guilliman hasn't got the imagination to conjure up his own thing, yet manages to improve on Perturabo's specialty

I can see where frustration can creep in for Ultramarine fans, but I don't think it's (intended as) so much a negative on Gulliman's part. More that the fluff really caters to the 30k Ultramarines "assimilate and improve" idea that was perfected by the Roman legions that the Ultras are modeled after.

 

Well I'm not really an Ultra-fan, which probably explains why I'm a bit peeved at the Fulmentarus in the fluff. Okay, "assimilate and improve", but when you "assimilate and improve" the ideas of a Legion that is entirely themed around what these guys are for, it just feels a bit insulting.

But, ever the diplomat, I was trying to see it from the Ultramarines' point of view, and in their shoes I'd feel a bit annoyed too (say, if Perturabo had nicked Guilliman's Fulmentarus rather then the other way round).

[Flint13]

Ah, I get you.

 

Well in this case, consider it a compliment that the only way Gulliman could think of to improve on your design was to tape an expensive laser pointer to it ^_^

[Monstra Sumus]

Hey guys, been out of it for a while and have decided on two directions for my force. Broken into defense and offense. Defense list is typical, Breachers for objective sitting, lots of Artillery, Dreadnoughts for HK'ing. 

 

The offensive force is made entirely of Terminators. Really Golgified. I'm asking, is it a viable tactic for Iron Warriors for a raider rush? 

 

Golg plus command squad in Raider.

Terminators in a Raider x 2. 

Tyrants with Siege Breaker in a Spartan. 

Typhon. 

Predator squad escort.