Slips Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Sure, but then being WE you're going for Combat Efficiency and Khârn/Angron pretty much trump any non-support HQs. If points are a concern then Delegatus. But otherwise, IDK. Flint13 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Sure, but then being WE you're going for Combat Efficiency and Khârn/Angron pretty much trump any non-support HQs. If points are a concern then Delegatus. But otherwise, IDK. That makes sense. Plus, I'd want to take a superheavy. I really like the Stormlord, and plan to buy a knight Acheron. I wanna use the Sacrificial Offering ROW with 'em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guiltysparc Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 I actually like the praetor tribune. I think he is a very points efficient hq for us. 10pts cheaper than Khârn, LD10 instead of 9, same damage output in most situations. You lose rampage and armorbane but my Khârn goes in a despoiler blob so not a lot of rampaging and S5 armorbane isn't exactly the hotness, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_chron Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 S5 armorbane wrecks the pants off dreads... and well anything else with less than av14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Sure, but then being WE you're going for Combat Efficiency and Khârn/Angron pretty much trump any non-support HQs. If points are a concern then Delegatus. But otherwise, IDK. That makes sense. Plus, I'd want to take a superheavy. I really like the Stormlord, and plan to buy a knight Acheron. I wanna use the Sacrificial Offering ROW with 'em. Do you mind if I ask what your thinking is behind this? I'm curious what the Sacraficial Offering is going to do for a World Eater army that a small allied Militia force wouldn't. I actually like the praetor tribune. I think he is a very points efficient hq for us. 10pts cheaper than Khârn, LD10 instead of 9, same damage output in most situations. You lose rampage and armorbane but my Khârn goes in a despoiler blob so not a lot of rampaging and S5 armorbane isn't exactly the hotness, lol. Ah sadly this is why I'm kinda falling out of love with Khârn, and it really hurts my heart to say it. Rampage is awesome, but he's typically just not laying down enough damage to make the dent he needs to with cheaper units, and more expensive things tend to outdo him. On the charge with rampage he's got, what like 7-9 attacks? Even with 9, you're hitting with 6, wounding with 4 on standard marines. Against other Praetors, while the boosted WS is nice, his Ini is equal so he can't break a Paragon Blade deadlock, and he doesn't have EW so you have a good chance of getting him pasted by powerfists. Actually that and the occasional round of rubber axing followed by a terrible LD roll is typically how I lose him the most often. When every despoiler I've got is also swinging at Str5, it seems a little underwhelming, especially since Khârn costs as much as 17.5 despoilers. This is like the ultimate example of girls over pearls for me. I love him so so much, but with Ini5, no EW, and no way to keep him from getting run down after a bad round of combat, I'm starting to look more at other more budget friendly options. He's better than a garden variety Praetor, easily, but admittedly I don't use those anymore either. If I didn't need a Master of the Legion for Berzerker Assault, I probably would have switched to a Forge Lord as my compulsory quite some time ago. Maybe a Delegatus that runs like half Khârn's price would be a good way to go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guiltysparc Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Actually the Tribune has 1 more attack also...so slightly better output than Khârn in most scenarios. S5 armorbane wrecks the pants off dreads... and well anything else with less than av14 Hmm, S5 armor bane is going to throw 11, 12, or 13 regularly so I wouldn't count on it to hit better than 12 when doing my "do I charge this math", so light armor for sure but still a little lacking imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_chron Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Oh I have no qualms throwing Khârn at dreads mostly cause my dice like killing stompy walkers :) mathematically it's bad odds but I'll take what the dice gods give me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 @Flint: Outflanking the entire primary detachment is what's up. Flint13 and Nova_chron 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 (edited) Here's a version of the list I'm trying to throw together: I still have 127 points I need help spending Age of Darkness Detachment: Crusade Force Organization Chart: HQ: Khârn: Gorechild Gahlan Surlak TROOPS: Inductii x19: Chainaxes, Vexilla, Artificer Armor + Power Fist Sergeant <== Joned by Apothecary, embarked in Stormlord Inductii x19: Chainaxes, Vexilla, Artificer Armor + Power Fist Sergeant <== Joined by Surlak, embarked in Stormlord World Eaters Tactical Support Squad x8: Volkite Chargers, Chainaxes, Artificer Armor + Power Fist Sergeant <== Joined by Khârn and Apothecary ELITES: Apothecarion Detachment: 2x Apothecary: Chainaxe Veteran Squad x10: Chainaxes, Rhino Veteran Squad x10: Chainaxes, Rhino Cortus Contemptor Talon: 2x Cortus Contemptor: DCCW, Chainfist, 2x Meltagun HEAVY SUPPORT: Land Raider Phobos: Extra Armor, Dozer Blades, Pintle Multi-melta <== Khârn, Apothecary, & Support Squad embarked LORD OF WAR: Stormlord: Space Marine Crew FORTIFICATION: Aegis Defense Line: Comms Relay ALLIED DETACHMENT: HQ: Force Commander: Cult Horde, Tainted Flesh Levies x50 Levies x20 Edited August 1, 2016 by Venomlust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 ^My first two steps would be to max out those levy squads and add a cyber familiar and a tainted weapon to your force commander. Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Uh, where's that 3rd apoth (4th once you add Surlak) headed? o.Ô Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Uh, where's that 3rd apoth (4th once you add Surlak) headed? o.Ô Oops! Typo; should be x2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_chron Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 So I have a question on apothecary weapon I feel like using a power sword is a wash on them either chain axe or one of the cadre weapons what are people's thoughts on this in say an assault squad to sneak some more higher str attacks in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guiltysparc Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 I am thinking that unless the apothecary is your only route to useful AP in the unit he is joining then the +1S for free is better than AP3 for 10pts. Flint13 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Depends on opponents really? If you face MEQ/ Legions then the AP3 will mean a lot more than wounding slightly better - always an okay-ish chance of culling a marine (hitting/ wounding on a 4+ without any extra rules, so that's 25% chance assuming 2 attacks) But against SA/ Mechanicum/ Militia the S5AP4 will probably serve you better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 ^If its a choice between how to spend the 10pts, I'd go artificer armor with a chainaxe every time. Apothecary's aren't combat powerhouses (though ours are better than average :D ). They're there to give everyone 5+ FnP, amp the nails when we need extra attacks to really ruin someone's day, and occasionally act as an auxiliary artificer armor tank, in that order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangbanger Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 ^ this.... keep em cheap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangbanger Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 I'm having a bit of a dilemma with my 3000pt list as I forgot to add a Flare Shield, so needed to find directions 45 pt's 2 options .. Forgelord with rad nades in AA to run with butchers or Angron/surlak and 15 dudes Or Standard Centurion with AA just for compols hq and 1 apoth for my inductii squad? I figure later is better as I'm thinking ingredients the extra attack and fnp will be more beneficial than rad nades? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_chron Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 So I've got the updated legions book (special legion rules) and red butchers are listed as FNP 6+ but somehow my brain remembers an faq making it base FnP can someone point me in the right direction if something truly exists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangbanger Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 Always been 6+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guiltysparc Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 Have we thought about knights now they we can take them as lords of war? I am thinking an atrapos might be pretty useful to support the charging inductii horde. Twin linked weapons vs super heavies and GMCs, S8 armorbane with a large blast, plus some short range D action once the army is stuck in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 Be a real man and get two Gallants to run forward with the horde! (if they can be taken in 30k) Gorgoff 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_chron Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 Thanks fangbanger I must've gotten myself confused Haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 Be a real man and get two Gallants to run forward with the horde! (if they can be taken in 30k) Nah, be a real woman. Take a couple Cerastus chassis, probs a Lancer and Acheron, and kick over all the silly, stumpy GW knights. Charlo 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 Outflank 2 Acherons at 3500 points. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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