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I'm just frustrated that it feels as though our Decurion and rules were copy and pasted to the BTs with added benefits. I try very hard not to be a complainer in the forum. But this time I feel it is warranted*

 

*I mean just because they gain a zealot and Furious charge only in marginally different ways. Maybe I'm just hangry. Ignore me.

Edited by Dont-Be-Haten

I agree. It's mostly a fluff detachment. Even getting your units back on a 5+ doesn't mean much if they have to footslog from your backline (come to think of...do transports respawn with them? That would actually make me consider Rhinos for Tactical spam again :P )

Well for the record I quite enjoy ADB, but to me, it's still very pulpy 40k sci-fi versus Abnett which just kind of feels like historical non-fiction almost. I even like Graham McNiel, but every time I read an Abnett book I catch myself saying, 'oh yeah, this guy is actually a real author'.

Alright help me out, what is pulpy?

 

I don't know, I love Abnett I just don't see what you are saying. Abnett's space marines are typically even more over the top than everyone else's (like in Iron Snake).

 

I mean, I'm not saying your opinion is bad or anything, I just don't see it :o

 

Like in Iron Snake one space marine takes down a group of DEldar that smashed every planetary defense unit sent against it like it was nothing. I mean if a tactical squad well placing melta bombs on a weak spot is over the top but that isn't :p

 

Also, ADB is a lore conservative so he sticks closely to it, where Abnett doesn't. Abnett can be pretty loose and liberal with the lore. I mean that's not really a bad thing (like I said I love his work, he's in my top 2) it's just not what I would prefer for the Blood Angels

Edited by Arkangilos

Made a trip to my local store did some painting tests with the guys there ... Not too amazed with the results tbh ... Based corax white, sprayed averland sunset. Drybrushed Yriel Yellow, Flash Gitz & Dorn yellow. Washed with Casandora Yellow ...

 

The brush strokes stand out.

http://i.imgur.com/H7wHYlZ.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/Ho4CpYe.jpg

 

Well for the record I quite enjoy ADB, but to me, it's still very pulpy 40k sci-fi versus Abnett which just kind of feels like historical non-fiction almost. I even like Graham McNiel, but every time I read an Abnett book I catch myself saying, 'oh yeah, this guy is actually a real author'.

Alright help me out, what is pulpy?

 

I don't know, I love Abnett I just don't see what you are saying. Abnett's space marines are typically even more over the top than everyone else's (like in Iron Snake).

 

I mean, I'm not saying your opinion is bad or anything, I just don't see it :ohmy.:

 

Like in Iron Snake one space marine takes down a group of DEldar that smashed every planetary defense unit sent against it like it was nothing. I mean if a tactical squad well placing melta bombs on a weak spot is over the top but that isn't :tongue.:

 

Also, ADB is a lore conservative so he sticks closely to it, where Abnett doesn't. Abnett can be pretty loose and liberal with the lore. I mean that's not really a bad thing (like I said I love his work, he's in my top 2) it's just not what I would prefer for the Blood Angels

 

 

Honestly, it isn't a knock on ADB... but ALL of 40K fluff is pulpy, intentionally over the top etc etc, and I am actually quite ok with that (except Swallow)... I never read Iron Snakes, but I find most of Abnett's work to have a different feel however, like I am reading an actual novel, possibly even something historical, rather than a linked serial filling in fluff gaps for some game. Again, I do love what I've read of ADB though so far, but Abnett just seems in a different category.

 

To give one example - in Know No Fear he had entire orbital fleets and enormous battlebarges falling into gravity and being pulled into the planet, essentially extinction level events, and somehow it still seemed more real and less 'over the top' than some other 40k fiction.

 

 

Edited by Chaplain Gunzhard

Haven't read either, but I don't like how the Ultras have a novel titled "Know No Fear" but ours is "Fear to Tread"

 

Why are we so scared, but the Ultras are not :wink:

 

Because according to Swallow we cannot fight a single battle without coming to the brink of losing everything due to the black rage, rinse repeat.  I wonder how the Blood Angels have been involved in any significant engagements when they seem to be fighting themselves - EVERY time.

That's just the common thing about Blood Angels. Everybody knows about the twin curse and thinks it'd be a super great idea to emphasize on it so that's the only thing people ever see from us.

While in-universe it's a well protected secret only few know about. For most we are actually only the red clad Marines with a thing for rapid assaults (not even just close combat).

But we weren't scared in Fear to Tread. And the BA didn't fight themselves. Their Red Thirst went into over drive and they went into a suicidal rage against the daemons.

 

Can you all point out one actual over the top scene from ADB? I don't count the meltabomb against the titan as Over the Top because that is very grounded in reality, such as when soldiers during world war 2 would place sticky bombs on tanks in the middle of battle.

 

Regardless of which author is better, I cannot see how anyone who had read any of ADB's work thinks it is more over he top than Abnett's. Especially when it comes to space marines. This isn't a "he does it better" statement. Again, I love both of their work.

Edited by Arkangilos

I never got that implication from the title. :p

 

And there is definitely no fear. They were pretty eager and driven to kill the filfth.

 

The fear was probably from the civilians in the beginning :p

Edited by Arkangilos
Haha I think I read the synopsis or something on the warhammer app or on the BL website or somewhere and it was all like " find out where the blood angels fear to tread" and I got a little pissy lol. I hope that I actually read that and I didn't just make things up... must have been awhile ago. Hopefully I can make an informed comment on it after I actually get around to reading it instead of making snap negative judgements based on implications that aren't even there haha

 

Can you all point out one actual over the top scene from ADB? I don't count the meltabomb against the titan as Over the Top because that is very grounded in reality, such as when soldiers during world war 2 would place sticky bombs on tanks in the middle of battle

I mean the whole scene was silly.(I laughed a lot throughout the book in retrospect) The marines are joking about "pissing plasma" like bad television. The predictable autocannon blowing the half-crazed lightning claw terminator chosen from existence as he claims they will all die tonight. The slaves are what made that book good. (I didn't like his attempt at 'humanizing' Chaos marines anyway)

 

Talon of Horus was okay. I just agree that Abbnett's writing is more fluid and feels more realistic. I mean I'm going to read who ever attempts the Boys in Red; I just would prefer it be one over the other and not Swallow.

Made a trip to my local store did some painting tests with the guys there ... Not too amazed with the results tbh ... Based corax white, sprayed averland sunset. Drybrushed Yriel Yellow, Flash Gitz & Dorn yellow. Washed with Casandora Yellow ...

 

The brush strokes stand out.

 

Have you tried a glaze of Lamenters Yellow over top? I find glazes really good for melding together the otherwise cludgy sort of layering job I tend to manage. If they can fix that, maybe they can help?

Made a trip to my local store did some painting tests with the guys there ... Not too amazed with the results tbh ... Based corax white, sprayed averland sunset. Drybrushed Yriel Yellow, Flash Gitz & Dorn yellow. Washed with Casandora Yellow ...

 

The brush strokes stand out.

Dry brushing can cause that sometimes if you have too much paint on the brush or you are too rough with your flicking motion. I think something like reiklands flesh shade would've been a better wash and highlights with bleached bone.

 

Made a trip to my local store did some painting tests with the guys there ... Not too amazed with the results tbh ... Based corax white, sprayed averland sunset. Drybrushed Yriel Yellow, Flash Gitz & Dorn yellow. Washed with Casandora Yellow ...

 

The brush strokes stand out.

 

Have you tried a glaze of Lamenters Yellow over top? I find glazes really good for melding together the otherwise cludgy sort of layering job I tend to manage. If they can fix that, maybe they can help?

 

I was thinking of using a glaze like that yes, also saw this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biqPX_uQ6m0 which gives some nice models ...

 

I stripped 3 of the guys and will do some more tests. 

 

Made a trip to my local store did some painting tests with the guys there ... Not too amazed with the results tbh ... Based corax white, sprayed averland sunset. Drybrushed Yriel Yellow, Flash Gitz & Dorn yellow. Washed with Casandora Yellow ...

 

The brush strokes stand out.

Dry brushing can cause that sometimes if you have too much paint on the brush or you are too rough with your flicking motion. I think something like reiklands flesh shade would've been a better wash and highlights with bleached bone.

 

I did feel like casandora gave too much of an orange tinge to my guys ... I guess there'll be a lot of trial & error.

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