Bukimimaru Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Last night I played my most gruelling game of 40k yet. Unsurprisingly, it was my first game against the new Eldar and as much as I've heard people going on about how unbalanced they are, I had no idea to what extent. The orange dudes (Fire scorpions? Fire Raptors... I'm sure they are called fire somethings.) that can move 6" in the movement phase, then move another "6 in the shooting phase, then they ALL get to shoot a melta gun each, adding +1 the vehicle damage table (yes, thats right, +2 for being ap1 and then +1 because of Eldar trickery) and THEN get to move back another 2 d6!?! They have jetbikes that are troops, that can jink, that have the same toughness and save as a marine and have Str 5, rending guns! They were re-rolling hits and wounds pretty much across the board, they were overwatching on BS5, the HQ's had 4+ invun saves, they had a mega amount of warpcharge dice and the list goes on and on and on. Warp Spiders can teleport out the way where you shoot at them? What the hell GW? How can you have a unit that cant be shot at?! Post Eldar trauma aside, it was a cracker of a game; I've never had to work so hard to make each and every victory point count. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297201-ba-today/page/36/#findComment-4102057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHelion Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 You're thinking of Fire Dragons. They run, they shoot (Battle focus lets most Eldar do that), their formation lets all run moves be 6" automatically. No idea where they'd be getting an assault move from. You might be mixing them up with Warp Spiders, who are Jet Pack Infantry, and thus get the 2d6 Assault move. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297201-ba-today/page/36/#findComment-4102086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted June 25, 2015 Author Share Posted June 25, 2015 Last night I played my most gruelling game of 40k yet. Unsurprisingly, it was my first game against the new Eldar and as much as I've heard people going on about how unbalanced they are, I had no idea to what extent. The orange dudes (Fire scorpions? Fire Raptors... I'm sure they are called fire somethings.) that can move 6" in the movement phase, then move another "6 in the shooting phase, then they ALL get to shoot a melta gun each, adding +1 the vehicle damage table (yes, thats right, +2 for being ap1 and then +1 because of Eldar trickery) and THEN get to move back another 2 d6!?! As pointed about by CaptainHelion, almost all Eldar units have the rule Battle Focus, whereby an Eldar player can Run and then shoot, or vica versa. If the Eldar player is using the Craftworld Warhost Detachment, then this Run becomes 6" rather than D6". Interestingly, if the player shoots and then moves onto another unit, the player loses the chance to Run with that original unit (i.e. you do it all or miss the bus). Fire Dragons are the melta Aspect and are supposed to be like this against vehicles. The only units that can move 2D6 in the Assault Phase are Warp Spiders and Eldar Jetbikes. They have jetbikes that are troops, that can jink, that have the same toughness and save as a marine and have Str 5, rending guns! They were re-rolling hits and wounds pretty much across the board, they were overwatching on BS5, the HQ's had 4+ invun saves, they had a mega amount of warpcharge dice and the list goes on and on and on. If upgraded to take Shuriken Cannons (STR 6), they become 27 points per model and thus, each time you kill one (or even force them to Jink) their output is significantly neutered. All Shuriken weaponry has the rule Bladestorm whereby any To Wound roles of a 6 become AP 2 rather than AP 5. It's a pseudo-rending ability. This isn't new. Re-rolling To Hits with the Jetbikes implies that these were actually STR 4 Shuriken Catapults, which have a 12" range and are Twin-linked. Alternatively, we have some Psychic abilities in play (Guide is re-roll To Hit, Doom is re-roll To Wound). Guide only works on a unit by unit basis, as does Doom and the Farseer is casting these off the Eldar table. To Overwatch at full BS, that's a Psychic Power on the Divination table I believe and yes, they have a 4++ through their Runic Armour. As for BS5, that's the Formation bonus for the Aspect Host - with this you elect a Formation wide increase of either WS or BS by 1 which is designated at the start of the game. Warp Spiders can teleport out the way where you shoot at them? What the hell GW? How can you have a unit that cant be shot at?! As an aside, if they use Flickerjump, they can't use their Warp Jump Generators in the Movement Phase. Additionally, every time they jump, on a 2D6 role of "snake eyes", one randomly determined model is lost to the warp. What I'm not sure about is if Flickerjump can be spammed in a single phase - in short, charge them Post Eldar trauma aside, it was a cracker of a game; I've never had to work so hard to make each and every victory point count. The best part is, next time you'll know how to handle them and there will be less surprises :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297201-ba-today/page/36/#findComment-4102117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bukimimaru Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Thanks for the feedback there guys. If there is anything wrong there (like the Fire Dragons moving in assault) then it's me remembering things wrong, not my opponent. He's really on the ball and above all suspicion of cheating. Your right, the next time I play them there will be alot of things I do differently, but I cant say I'm eager to play against them again any time soon. They have a lot of nasty dakka. >_< For a more specific rundown of my battle last night, check out my Redeemers thread. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297201-ba-today/page/36/#findComment-4102122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted June 25, 2015 Author Share Posted June 25, 2015 Remaining colours for my ETL vow: Chaos Black Goblin Green Mephiston Red Enchanted Blue (again - I forgot to put the base colour on the Jump Pack's OSL) Bleached Bone Skull White Golden Yellow/Bad Moon Yellow/Sunburst Yellow Mithril Silver Bronzed Flesh Another down! Will try and find the time to do the bone tonight... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297201-ba-today/page/36/#findComment-4102282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted June 25, 2015 Author Share Posted June 25, 2015 Is it too late to start painting? ... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297201-ba-today/page/36/#findComment-4102920 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threefiddy Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Is it too late to start painting? ... Don't think its ever too late to start painting.... unless you end up in some sort of warp and lose a few hours ;P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297201-ba-today/page/36/#findComment-4102975 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted June 25, 2015 Author Share Posted June 25, 2015 Is it too late to start painting? ... Don't think its ever too late to start painting.... unless you end up in some sort of warp and lose a few hours ;P Done for the evening: my eyes are burning... Charlo 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297201-ba-today/page/36/#findComment-4103059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 15 Red Terminators and Karlaen: chaplainmikey 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297201-ba-today/page/36/#findComment-4104499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted June 26, 2015 Author Share Posted June 26, 2015 Right now? Painting, beer, Scott Pilgrim. :D Lucumon and Bukimimaru 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297201-ba-today/page/36/#findComment-4104571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 (edited) Tourney in the morning, painting last models now... Sleep is over rated. This is the list I'm taking: Chaplain Lib Dread (yes I'll use Daemonology) Dread, TLAC + TLLC Dread, TLAC + TLLC 9 * Death Company, 2 fists Scout squad, cloaks, sniper rifles Scout squad, cloaks, sniper rifles, hell fire HB Caestus Assault Ram, Legacy of glory: Battle of Keylek Storm Raven Gunship, TLMM, TLAC Culexus temple Assassin 2 * Vengeance Batteries, battle cannons Lots of funky tricks with the assassin and the ram. My very solid plan for dealing with super heavies is summoning Daemonettes or Plague Bearers... Edited June 26, 2015 by knife&fork Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297201-ba-today/page/36/#findComment-4104597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHelion Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 Niiiiiiiiiiiice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297201-ba-today/page/36/#findComment-4104833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted June 27, 2015 Author Share Posted June 27, 2015 Looking forward to the report... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297201-ba-today/page/36/#findComment-4105132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 Day one quick summary: Spanked IG and Nurgle daemons. Narrowly lost vs eldar on KPs, but mostly due to the game being cut short on turn 4. LutherMax 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297201-ba-today/page/36/#findComment-4105590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LutherMax Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 Day one quick summary: Spanked IG and Nurgle daemons. Narrowly lost vs eldar on KPs, but mostly due to the game being cut short on turn 4. A good tally brother, Sanguinius will be proud. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297201-ba-today/page/36/#findComment-4105621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelus Mortifer Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Today I finished my Knight's carapace. Technically he's finished, but I'm waiting on a Stormspear Rocket Pod via eBay before I post the final complete pics and backstory. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297201-ba-today/page/36/#findComment-4105786 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted June 28, 2015 Author Share Posted June 28, 2015 Remaining colours for my ETL vow: Chaos Black Goblin Green Mephiston Red Enchanted Blue (again - I forgot to put the base colour on the Jump Pack's OSL) Bleached Bone Skull White Golden Yellow/Bad Moon Yellow/Sunburst Yellow Mithril Silver Bronzed flesh Bone and flesh done, starting the white tonight... then it's the red, tidying up with silver and assembly! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297201-ba-today/page/36/#findComment-4106078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHelion Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Working again this week, but might be able to squeeze in a few painting seshs between that and when we move on the 8th. I've got the base coats on my tacs and the priest, at least. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297201-ba-today/page/36/#findComment-4106132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
girot Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 (edited) Finally got off my butt and got a box of the new BA Terminators. Not thrilled about the integral half-torsos but as long as I can swap them out with normal termies I'll survive. Fortunately I procrastinated on my army long enough to see this host of bloody plastic goodness come along. Now the task at hand is to finish kitbashing the new stuff into my old stuff and (someday) a fully mustered 1st and 2nd Company will come marching out of the dust and smoke. EDIT: I also grabbed one of the new "upgrade" sprues, some very nice things on there! The new Mephiston inspired chest plate is tempting me to convert my own Lord of Death! Edited June 28, 2015 by girot Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297201-ba-today/page/36/#findComment-4106400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Finally got off my butt and got a box of the new BA Terminators. Not thrilled about the integral half-torsos but as long as I can swap them out with normal termies I'll survive. Fortunately I procrastinated on my army long enough to see this host of bloody plastic goodness come along. Now the task at hand is to finish kitbashing the new stuff into my old stuff and (someday) a fully mustered 1st and 2nd Company will come marching out of the dust and smoke. EDIT: I also grabbed one of the new "upgrade" sprues, some very nice things on there! The new Mephiston inspired chest plate is tempting me to convert my own Lord of Death! Do let us know if you can, the fact the heads are attached made me straight up not want the kit :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297201-ba-today/page/36/#findComment-4106719 Share on other sites More sharing options...
girot Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 The heads are separate as are the fronts of the torsos. I will do a kit bash demo with what I have available this week and post some pics or a video. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297201-ba-today/page/36/#findComment-4106933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaplainmikey Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 I now have a fully painted 10 man DC squad lead by a Chaplain, happy days! :) Ishagu, j-smuv, Frater Antodeniel and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297201-ba-today/page/36/#findComment-4107180 Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 (Technically 'BA Yesterday', but whatever) Scored two more wins (Necrons and Necrons) on the second day of the tourney for a total of 4-1 and a second place over all. (Darn that Eldar game) Also took first place in the 3-part quiz! Loot! http://i.imgur.com/o4UI3sY.jpg?1 Jolemai 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297201-ba-today/page/36/#findComment-4107181 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted June 29, 2015 Author Share Posted June 29, 2015 I'm working on another guide/review for the forum... ... why is it more interesting than writing a thesis? knife&fork 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297201-ba-today/page/36/#findComment-4107182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 I now have a fully painted 10 man DC squad lead by a Chaplain, happy days! Very nice highlights on that black! What's your recipe? I'm working on another guide/review for the forum... ... why is it more interesting than writing a thesis? Your work is appreciated. Any spoilers? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/297201-ba-today/page/36/#findComment-4107189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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