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[Sugarlessllama]

6 hours ago, Dont-Be-Haten said:

Did you use stock BA traits or custom? What mission? The major problem I see with this list is its super melee focused which isn't where you want to be with Custodes.

I used a custom Chapter Tactic. I picked Whirlwind of Rage and Tactical Withdrawl. I had hoped the Libby Dread, and the Furioso Dread would give enough oomph to deal with tough units. But I guess not. Going into the match I had no idea that guy was bringing Custodes. And I sure as heck didn't know that they could hand out that many free nerfs without using command points. 

I just don't know what I would add in order to make the force more well balanced. Maybe a tank instead of the Furioso Dread?

Edited September 17, 2022 by Sugarlessllama

[Dont-Be-Haten]

4 minutes ago, Sugarlessllama said:

I used a custom Chapter Tactic. I picked Whirlwind of Rage and Tactical Withdrawl. I had hoped the Libby Dread, and the Furioso Dread would give enough oomph to deal with tough units. But I guess not. Going into the match I had no idea that guy was bringing Custodes. And I sure as heck didn't know that they could hand out that many free nerfs without using command points. 

I just don't know what I would add in order to make the force more well balanced. Maybe a tank instead of the Furioso Dread?

So I use Master Artisans and WWoR. I also take assault hellblasters along with a redemptor. It's really the only good dread that doesn’t cost CPs to field. 

I also don't like Bladeguard at all. I've heard too many stories of them being swept in a single round of combat, and feel as though they are over priced and not worth bringing.

[Sugarlessllama]

57 minutes ago, Dont-Be-Haten said:

So I use Master Artisans and WWoR. I also take assault hellblasters along with a redemptor. It's really the only good dread that doesn’t cost CPs to field. 

I guess I now have a project for Dread-tober. :D 

[Dont-Be-Haten]

5 minutes ago, Sugarlessllama said:

I guess I now have a project for Dread-tober. :D 

My primary army is built around Redemptors.

++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Blood Angels) [101 PL, 6CP, 2,000pts] ++

+ Configuration +

**Chapter Selector**: Blood Angels Successor, Custom Chapter, Master Artisans, Whirlwind of Rage

Battle Size [6CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) 

Detachment Command Cost

Game Type: 4. Chapter Approved: War Zone Nephilim

+ HQ +

Captain in Gravis Armour [6 PL, 115pts]: Astartes Chainsword, Warlord

Primaris Techmarine [4 PL, 80pts]

Sanguinary Priest [5 PL, 90pts]: Astartes Chainsword, Bolt pistol

+ Troops +

Incursor Squad [5 PL, 105pts]
. 4x Incursor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Occulus bolt carbine, 4x Paired combat blades
. Incursor Sergeant

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 110pts]: Auto Bolt Rifle
. 4x Intercessor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades
. Intercessor Sergeant: Power fist

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 110pts]: Auto Bolt Rifle
. 4x Intercessor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades
. Intercessor Sergeant: Power fist

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 105pts]: Bolt rifle
. 4x Intercessor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades
. Intercessor Sergeant: Power sword

+ Elites +

Aggressor Squad [12 PL, 200pts]: 2x Flamestorm Gauntlets, 4x Aggressor, Aggressor Sergeant

Redemptor Dreadnought [10 PL, 195pts]: 2x Storm Bolters, Icarus Rocket Pod, Macro Plasma Incinerator, Onslaught Gatling Cannon

Redemptor Dreadnought [10 PL, 195pts]: 2x Storm Bolters, Icarus Rocket Pod, Macro Plasma Incinerator, Onslaught Gatling Cannon

Redemptor Dreadnought [10 PL, 195pts]: 2x Storm Bolters, Icarus Rocket Pod, Macro Plasma Incinerator, Onslaught Gatling Cannon

+ Fast Attack +

Invader ATV Squad [4 PL, 85pts]
. Invader ATV: Multi-melta

Invader ATV Squad [4 PL, 85pts]
. Invader ATV: Multi-melta

+ Heavy Support +

Hellblaster Squad [8 PL, 165pts]: Assault Plasma Incinerator
. 4x Hellblaster: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades
. Hellblaster Sergeant: Bolt pistol

Hellblaster Squad [8 PL, 165pts]: Assault Plasma Incinerator
. 4x Hellblaster: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades
. Hellblaster Sergeant: Bolt pistol

++ Total: [101 PL, 6CP, 2,000pts] ++

[Sugarlessllama]

I really like what you put together here. I guess my biggest issue is that I don't know what I want to build my army around. In my head cannon the chapter is mostly Primaris after the events of Devastation of Baal, but other than that I got nothing. I have mostly been painting stuff I think looks cool since I really dislike painting. I also want them to be very different from my UM Successor Chapter.

In order to achieve that, I tried to ensure that I included units that were unique to the BA codex. Maybe I need to re-think how I am building the force. Although I really want to keep the Libby Dread in the roster. I just love the model.

[Dont-Be-Haten]

8 hours ago, Sugarlessllama said:

I really like what you put together here. I guess my biggest issue is that I don't know what I want to build my army around. In my head cannon the chapter is mostly Primaris after the events of Devastation of Baal, but other than that I got nothing. I have mostly been painting stuff I think looks cool since I really dislike painting. I also want them to be very different from my UM Successor Chapter.

In order to achieve that, I tried to ensure that I included units that were unique to the BA codex. Maybe I need to re-think how I am building the force. Although I really want to keep the Libby Dread in the roster. I just love the model.

I've played Blood Angels since 2010. Carmine Blades since '17.

If I weren't punished for taking large squads, I'd probably do that. I've always taken the a stance that you don't need tons of a specific unit to represent the army you play. Although; I do feel like this train of thought has been dealt a huge blow with how stratagems work, and the forced direction that has been placed on us with stratagems. This list was majorly inspired by Darkness in the Blood, where its mostly primaris intercessors and hell blaster squads that boarded the "Bloodcaller" to fight off the Daemon incursion. Granted, Dante with his Sanguinary Guard and Mephiston with a Cadre of his librarius are at the forefront, it fealt really cool reading about the stuff you don't normally see or read about in the divergent chapters.

Plus in the current state of the game you need mid strength weight of Fire that eats through armor. With always having max shots from 24" away, 30 S6 AP -3 hellblasters either get your kills or eat through to invulns. Let the dreads do the melee lifting, and the priest to put them in Assault Doc for you. The Techmarine is there to intervene and heal the redemptors.

Oftentimes I'll switch out the ATVs for plasma jumpy dudes. ATVs are just so fast, and points efficient to give you board quarters scoring. 

Edited September 18, 2022 by Dont-Be-Haten

[Jolemai]

Thinking about it some more, it shouldn't be too difficult to build a mostly Primaris force that works differently from a UM Successor - even if the Chapter Tactics are the same from both. This is simply because of our unique units. So make your backbone with what flavour you like, then sprinkle with DC, SG, SP, and so on as it grows. From what you have so far, you have a decent selection to choose from, it's just fine tuning now. 

Custodes require you to hit them hard - just don't go in unsupported and unbuffed. 1000 points isn't where we shine either tbh, so don't feel too bad and take as many positives as you can from using a new army and learning what an opposing force (that was likely fine tuned) can do 

[The Unseen]

Contemplating some serious Heresy

Had a shower thought that with a couple of minor conversions, it'd be pretty easy to run BA as CSM

I saw someone's winning GT list that was literally a daemon prince, 5 or 6 squads of legionaires with power weapon sarge+chainswords in 3 rhinos, and small squads of terminators and possessed, plus 1 havoc squad

So...

Sanguinius (as a daemon prince, the Sanguinor on a slightly larger base would also work well)

A bunch of despoiler marines in rhinos

Terminators

DC as possessed

1 dev squad

 

And it's both better, and closer to *Codex Compliance* than what BA can currently run to compete at all.

 

Edit: I even had the thought of how to get a good loyalist looking counts as conversion for a Disco Lord, Stormstrike Chariot from AoS is on the same base, put a techmarine or other character on the back, some mild replacing of iconagraphy

Edited September 23, 2022 by The Unseen

[Dont-Be-Haten]

6 hours ago, The Unseen said:

Contemplating some serious Heresy

Had a shower thought that with a couple of minor conversions, it'd be pretty easy to run BA as CSM

I saw someone's winning GT list that was literally a daemon prince, 5 or 6 squads of legionaires with power weapon sarge+chainswords in 3 rhinos, and small squads of terminators and possessed, plus 1 havoc squad

So...

Sanguinius (as a daemon prince, the Sanguinor on a slightly larger base would also work well)

A bunch of despoiler marines in rhinos

Terminators

DC as possessed

1 dev squad

 

And it's both better, and closer to *Codex Compliance* than what BA can currently run to compete at all.

 

Edit: I even had the thought of how to get a good loyalist looking counts as conversion for a Disco Lord, Stormstrike Chariot from AoS is on the same base, put a techmarine or other character on the back, some mild replacing of iconagraphy

Why not just play Heresy with your first born marines and get that itch scratched?

CSM armies played as loyalists or vice versa, are quite confusing,  PUGs especially become limited when you break out pretty red armor boys and call them Chaos.

[Sugarlessllama]

11 hours ago, The Unseen said:

Contemplating some serious Heresy

Had a shower thought that with a couple of minor conversions, it'd be pretty easy to run BA as CSM

If I remember correctly, the storyline from the first BA Omnibus was that a large chunk of the BA chapter fell to Chaos. They followed that one guy that grew wings and carried the Spear of Sanguinius. It was one of my first exposures to 40K lore in general. 

So you could model some units to represent the fall of that force. Maybe add a guy with wings and spear for a counts as Daemon prince? 

[Dont-Be-Haten]

30 minutes ago, Sugarlessllama said:

If I remember correctly, the storyline from the first BA Omnibus was that a large chunk of the BA chapter fell to Chaos. They followed that one guy that grew wings and carried the Spear of Sanguinius. It was one of my first exposures to 40K lore in general. 

So you could model some units to represent the fall of that force. Maybe add a guy with wings and spear for a counts as Daemon prince? 

Weren't they all killed or realized they were tricked by tzeentch though?

Edited September 23, 2022 by Dont-Be-Haten

[Sugarlessllama]

18 minutes ago, Dont-Be-Haten said:

Weren't they all killed or realized they were tricked by tzeentch though?

Were they? Dun dun duuuuuuuuunnnnn!

[The Unseen]

11 hours ago, Dont-Be-Haten said:

Why not just play Heresy with your first born marines and get that itch scratched?

CSM armies played as loyalists or vice versa, are quite confusing,  PUGs especially become limited when you break out pretty red armor boys and call them Chaos.

Heresy hasn't taken off here, but I am building them up. Also, PUGs?

And I think its only confusing if people don't go over what everything is while having a consistent conversion. If every black armored marine on the table is a possessed, and the large model with wings is a daemon prince with wings, and basic guys with pistol+chainsword is a basic guy with pistol+chainsword, it really shouldn't be that hard. Done improperly though (These DC are possessed, but this squad over here is Khorne marked Legionaires) it becomes a mess.

[Sugarlessllama]

2 hours ago, The Unseen said:

Heresy hasn't taken off here, but I am building them up. Also, PUGs?

Pick Up Games. If I had to guess. :D 

[Dont-Be-Haten]

PUGs = Pick up games as already stated. In  most of my experiences people don't want to play counts as armies, regardless of how much effort you put into them. When I first started playing I tried to do some counts as in 5th and 6th edition. Neither turned out well.

[DemonGSides]

Does anyone else think/hope (like me) that today's community article about the Blood Angels force by Tom Danvers' might be indication of some BA loving sooner rather than later?

Naive of me, probably :P

[Spyros]

Personally I don't expect anything before the 10th edition. And even then, I don't have high expectations.

[Jolemai]

New Unit of the Week entry:

• Thunderhawk Transporter

[Reldn]

Received my first set of the JoyToy Blood Angel figures I had pre-ordered and I also finished up "Echoes of Eternity" today and realized that I now know what to do with Zephon's miniature: I'd really like to see him in his (slight spoiler):

Spoiler

Charnel Guard colours.

 

[INKS]

I guess I am waiting for 10th edition now. No idea if SG or Assault troops are going to change. Death Company are a question mark for me as well. I could see all or any one of these getting the primaris upgrade.  I can work on some infiltrators I suppose. Some voidsmen maybe or servitors. We have the potential of seeing some big changes for 10th. Rumor is out  book should be one of the first coming up or that we are involved in some box, so that should be interesting.

[Spagunk]

Second Half of an Assault Marine Squad

 

Here is the full squad:

 

Edited October 4, 2022 by Spagunk

[INKS]

damn they look good. I like the JP on them. Different, better looking

[Spagunk]

4 minutes ago, INKS said:

damn they look good. I like the JP on them. Different, better looking

Thanks. How's the kidney?

My wife just recently celebrated her 10th year since her own transplant.

[INKS]

52 minutes ago, Spagunk said:

Thanks. How's the kidney?

My wife just recently celebrated her 10th year since her own transplant.

OMG That is amazing! 

12 years and going strong. Maybe it's 13 years... I lose count sometimes. But it's been a while and no super complications other than the medicine I take makes me sick in other ways. But what can you do. I manage. 

[Sugarlessllama]

Today I converted a Black Templars Marshal into a Captain for my Templars Encarmine. :D