Community project : Let's found a Chapter ! (Phase 3 & 4)

[Stercus]

That sounds interesting. Would you be thinking the whole weapon, or signifying stripes/markings?

[Tiberius Cato]

I think whole weapons or stripes would be cool. Maybe both, as a matter of a marine's preference.

[Stercus]

Sounds good.

[ElectricPaladin]

Honestly, I feel like this chapter should use codex compliant heraldry. They clearly aren't entirely codex compliant in other ways, but it still seems appropriate.

[Gorkimedes]

I prefer the blue/grey scheme as well.

[Tiberius Cato]

Honestly, I feel like this chapter should use codex compliant heraldry. They clearly aren't entirely codex compliant in other ways, but it still seems appropriate.

What do you mean? The company markers? Some "codex-compliant" chapters don't even attempt to signify company, And since we don't have anything that says the Codex Astartes demands that shoulder pad trims must display company colours, I think having other pieces of equipment is within the realm of reason.

 

Of the XII legion's successor chapters:

Black Consuls don't display company, nor do Doom Eagles, Novamarines or Patriarchs of Ulixsis, Eagle Warriors show company colours on the left knee pad, Praetors of Orpheus allso display colour on the left knee pad with a roman numeral also designating company, and Silver Skulls display a numeral designating company on the right knee pad (and are rumored to show company colour with squad markings).

 

So even the direct descendants of the Ultramarines diverge from certain items layed out in the Codex Astartes.

[Gorkimedes]

So, battlecries and symbols... anyone have any ideas?

[Tiberius Cato]

Battlecries: I'd like to think they have different chants and warsongs. A chorus singing prayers and hymns upto those the worship turning the battlefield into a bloody concert is what I can imagine they'd be part of.

 

Symbols: I've no idea.

[Black Cohort]

So, battlecries and symbols... anyone have any ideas?

For symbols what about a bloody melee weapon?

[Tiberius Cato]

 

So, battlecries and symbols... anyone have any ideas?

For symbols what about a bloody melee weapon?

Me gusta. Maybe a black dagger to represent the obsidian daggers they use for sacrifices?

[ElectricPaladin]

I dunno... Personally, I had an image of a rampant feline figure with some number of stars over it. Very stylized and heraldic.

[Gorkimedes]

Don't know how in depth people want to get. Ultramarines have a banner for each company

 

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ultramarines

[Tiberius Cato]

Each company could have primarch specific iconography, relevent to the captain's cult. But here's the bit I'm caught up on, each company doesn't worship a specific primarch but their captains do. So is it possible for 2+ captains to worship the same primarch?

 

That aside, 1st founding specific iconography on banners may be cool. Like for the company whose captain worships Dorn could have a quartered yellow and B/W checkerboard, with a fist in one corner and a maltese cross in the other. Or for Sanguinius you could have a red field divided by a black diagonal with a chalice with a blood drop in the center.

[Stercus]

Haven't given much thought to company banners yet. Will chime in if I think of anything.

As far as battlecrys go, I'm not a big fan of people shouting slogans as they fight. I did pitch the idea much earlier of possibly having things like recorded drums at ear splitting volume and echoing warhorns... Kind of like a wall of sound to intimidate the opponents as the battle line advances forward...

[Gorkimedes]

Maybe the individual members of a company aren't required to worship a specific primarch but the companies sacrifices are dedicated to him?

 

So the members of the seventh don't have to solely be looking towards Dorn but the company as a whole is dedicated to him?

[Tiberius Cato]

Haven't given much thought to company banners yet. Will chime in if I think of anything.

As far as battlecrys go, I'm not a big fan of people shouting slogans as they fight. I did pitch the idea much earlier of possibly having things like recorded drums at ear splitting volume and echoing warhorns... Kind of like a wall of sound to intimidate the opponents as the battle line advances forward...

Combined with my warsongs and battlehymns idea I think we have a winner. A divine orquestra it shall be!

[Tiberius Cato]

Maybe the individual members of a company aren't required to worship a specific primarch but the companies sacrifices are dedicated to him?

 

So the members of the seventh don't have to solely be looking towards Dorn but the company as a whole is dedicated to him?

Sounds good, maybe when sacrifces to a primarch are ocurring members of that cult are allowed temporary leave from their company to attend the ritual?

 

And I think Dorn would do well as the patron of the IX captain, since devestators are looked at as the chapter's penal company. They receive penance for failure and wrongdoings by carrying out Dorn's preference for Siege and Siegebreaking.

[Gorkimedes]

Makes sense.

 

I like the idea of recorded drums , warhorns etc.

[Anver Cassiel]

a stripe on the weapons to signify company seems a really interesting and different idea. chapter markings, personally i like the idea of a leaping panther or jaguar, maybe in gold or bronze? and the mix of warsongs/hymns blaring rather a warcry sounds scary as hell to me so i imagine it would definitely intimidate enemies. also colour scheme i think the grey/blue works the best.

 

I love the idea of dorn and the IX company. maybe the company dedicated to the lion could be crusaders, purging rebels and heretics as the DA and successors are prone to this kind of work a lot anyway. The Khan or sanguinius would make sense for the VIII, with the assault elements and fast attack and as it seems the Knights Panthera venerate Guilliman above all others, the first company could be dedicated to him?  

[Tiberius Cato]

a stripe on the weapons to signify company seems a really interesting and different idea. chapter markings, personally i like the idea of a leaping panther or jaguar, maybe in gold or bronze? and the mix of warsongs/hymns blaring rather a warcry sounds scary as hell to me so i imagine it would definitely intimidate enemies. also colour scheme i think the grey/blue works the best.

 

I love the idea of dorn and the IX company. maybe the company dedicated to the lion could be crusaders, purging rebels and heretics as the DA and successors are prone to this kind of work a lot anyway. The Khan or sanguinius would make sense for the VIII, with the assault elements and fast attack and as it seems the Knights Panthera venerate Guilliman above all others, the first company could be dedicated to him?

Here's the way I see the patrons of the company captains:

 

1st- Guilliman

2nd- Lion El'Jonson

3rd- Vulkan

4th- Ferrus Manus

5th- Russ

6th- Corax

7th- Khan

8th- Sanguinius

9th- Dorn

10th- None

 

It probably will have a minor effect on each company, captains wishing to venerate their patron primarch. Like maybe the captain devoted to Vulkan packs a combi-flamer and his command squad has flame weaponry, and his company primarily deploys with either a meltagun or flamer in each squad.

 

In regards to the company devoted to the Lion, perhaps they have faced the most heretics and mutants out of all the companies. They strive for purity and are the enforcers of the chapter's rule in their empircal system. Nobody, save for thje Unforgiven, know of the DA pursuit of the Fallen, so the chapter activelly rooting out heresy and traitors is too... omniscient? If the display purity and loyalty, and happen to also smash rebellions in their system I find it much more fitting and believable.

[Gorkimedes]

 

In regards to the company devoted to the Lion, perhaps they have faced the most heretics and mutants out of all the companies. They strive for purity and are the enforcers of the chapter's rule in their empircal system. Nobody, save for thje Unforgiven, know of the DA pursuit of the Fallen, so the chapter activelly rooting out heresy and traitors is too... omniscient? If the display purity and loyalty, and happen to also smash rebellions in their system I find it much more fitting and believable.

 

 

Sort of makes sense with the current chapter organization. Going by the Ultramarines chart the captain of the 2nd company is the Master of the Watch

 

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Master_of_the_Watch

[Tiberius Cato]

I dunno... Personally, I had an image of a rampant feline figure with some number of stars over it. Very stylized and heraldic.

I think that'd look cool, there's no way I could freehand such a thing though! Maybe I'll finally make my own decals...

 

It'd be on the navy pad, so maybe that in gold or silver? Maybe it could even be in the same light grey as the armour is.The squad marking in gold or navy would probably look swell, on a related note.

 

So, do we think that marines will change the armour colouring depending on their patron (Black fist for Dorn?)? Or would they bare relevent charms? Or maybe even choice of wargear?

[Stercus]

Maybe the marines with a particular devotion to an individual Primarch could display his badge on a kneepad? Alternatively, it could be as simple as a lightning bolt on a greave or even a tattoo for the Khan, or a black or crimson gauntlet for Dorn. I think there are a lot of ways we can display allegiance and its not essential that we "codify" it strictly. I think its good to leave a little space for individualism here, both on the part of the marines themselves and also in the interests of the painters and modellers amongst us.

[Quozzo]

I dunno... Personally, I had an image of a rampant feline figure with some number of stars over it. Very stylized and heraldic.

I had the same idea. Perhaps 9 stars to represent the 9 primarchs. Maybe circling the central figure to represent they encompase the chapter and protect it.

[GreyCrow]

Hey guys ! I've finally got some time after having to deal with pressing IRL stuff, and I have to admit, the work you've put there is admirable :)

 

We've all settled on the blue/grey colour scheme ? I feel it doesn't go overboard with the jaguar theme, keeps with the knightly feel and the Ultramarines' lineage. It's not too striking either for a quartered scheme and is pleasing to look at !

 

I'll try to compile the work you've done on Chapter beliefs and doctrine either tonight or tomorrow in the first post, unless Stercus and Quozzo agree that I use their well written text for the first post ! Let's continue discussing the Chapter heraldry and colour until next Monday 12:00 a.m.

 

I'm personally a fan of the Jaguar/Panther with stars, but I'm afraid that a leaping one would look too much like the Puma logo :p How about the growing face of a Panther instead ? It gives a very regal feel that synergizes well with the Knight theme.

 

Great idea to have the Primarch's as "Company deities" or protectors and I like what I see in Artic's list ! the only changes I would make is Khan as the patron of the 6th company (trained to entirely deploy as bikers based on the Codex Astartes) and Corax for the 7th (trained to be deployed as Landspeeders). It would make sense based on what each Primarch represents (speed for Khan, surprise for Corax because having 20 to 50 Landspeeders Deep Strike anywhere would probably surprise the guy).