Jolemai Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Wow, I've just finished reading through the 20 or so pages since Pascalnz and Duke Danse Macabre started spilling the beans. As others have said, eternally grateful to you guys! Also as others have said, a forum-wide congratulations on being the best Blood Angels community out there. I was appalled by the whining and moaning on some other forums - call yourselves Blood Angels?! I'm extremely excited and positive about the codex and can't wait to get my hands on it. Please don't be late Mr. Postman!! Edit: There's a good thread in the Tacticia forum about Gun-slinging VAS. Bolt and Grav are the way to go apparently.Would you mind posting a link to that? http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291763-a-fable-of-fourty-and-two-pistols/http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/284541-viable-tactics-and-loadouts-for-vanguard-veterans/?do=findComment&comment=3546548 Could have sworn there was another, but being on phone makes searching tricky Hope they are of use :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/86/#findComment-3887021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Captain with artificer on a bike with the sword, with some nice tooled up bikers and a sang priest is a hell of a line breaker unit. Point it at something and watch it die, and them take whatever comes back at them Is it just me, or does furious charge and grav make bikers into a great anti-monster unit? Knock it down to I 1 with grav, knock off a wound with the multi-melta, then charge in. A bunch of hammer of wrath hits, and then a bunch of attacks, all of them happening before the monster gets to retaliate. The +1 S from furious charge will help those attacks to hit home. You don't even really need the +1 WS from a biker priest (though it doesn't hurt, and would make the unit more versatile) because most monsters have pretty lousy WS. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/86/#findComment-3887037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 On a more on-topic note, If I were to make a BA force using what I've already got and buying only DC, SG, Dante and other HQs, It'd look like: HQ: Sang Priest with JP or Chaplain with JP Librarian with JP, Maybe? Elites: 10 Sternguard in a Pod; 2 Heavy Flamers, 8 Combi-Weapons to taste 10 Sanguinary Guard to roll with Dante and Librarian 10 Vanguard Vets : Built them a while back so due to WYSIWYG, wont be cheap 10-15 DC with JP; gear to be determined once I've read the book. Will be joined by Chaplain and/or Sanguinary priest Troops: 5/10 Tacticals or Bolter Scouts; possibly Bare bones 5/10 Tacticals or Bolter Scouts; possibly Bare bones Or Cassor the Damned... FA: N/A HS: N/A LoW: Dante Not going for Competitive or 100% efficient. Just something that feels like a Force that would Accompany Dante around. ie: the best of the Chapter Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/86/#findComment-3887041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 I would run the priest with the SG (the FNP would be helpful there not the DC) and the libby with the DC. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/86/#findComment-3887050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaezus Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Anybody know what the BA tactical cards are? I can see challenges being more rewarding for us. I do mate and there are good ones for challenegs, I however don't want to type out a pile of cards so get anything you want to know as a certain thing or? Much appreciated good sir! Particularly regarding assaults and challenges is there anything new or are they tweaks on the existing cards? I can see a whole load of potential VP from charging even just a bog-standard unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/86/#findComment-3887052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaezus Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Wings will be great for dispersing that post-deep strike group hug formation. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/86/#findComment-3887057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 It will be a good spell for shooty units but it's a shame for our assault based ones :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/86/#findComment-3887062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Thinking of converting up some gunslinging Vanguard vets as they sound 9000% badass. where is the best place to get massed grav pistols? I mean, i'll have one come saturday Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/86/#findComment-3887065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theduke08 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Thinking of converting up some gunslinging Vanguard vets as they sound 9000% badass. where is the best place to get massed grav pistols? I mean, i'll have one come saturday Any of the new SM boxes have at least 1 grav pistol. I think the vanguard box has more than 1. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/86/#findComment-3887077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaezus Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 It will be a good spell for shooty units but it's a shame for our assault based ones :( On the positive side it will help a deep-striking assault unit take fewer wounds from blast and templates, so more will survive to assault next turn :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/86/#findComment-3887082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 If you don't mind non-GW look-alikes you could do worse than getting them in bulk on eBay. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Alternative-Graviton-Pistol-Grav-Pistol-for-Space-Marines-x-5-/300986696245?pt=Games_US&hash=item4614348235 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/86/#findComment-3887092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MephistonTheLordOfDeath Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Mephiston basically has to go in a pod full of DC. If you can ROLL up 5++ power then you're in the money. Pre-game, we have to roll to determine our BA psyker powers like we do the other disciplines?!? Or do you mean successfully rolling them during the psychic phase? Psychic powers are random, BA discipline is like any other, it has a table with 6 powers and a primaris. And the FT formation (rumored to come in a WD, and it could be repeated in Exterminatus) doesn't have any HQ or LoW, I don't know if you can take that as your only force? Well thats a sucky change. BA psykers used to be able to choose their psychic powers if taken from the the BA discipline. If this is now true, it's a real sucky change for librarians. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/86/#findComment-3887095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Mephiston basically has to go in a pod full of DC. If you can ROLL up 5++ power then you're in the money. Pre-game, we have to roll to determine our BA psyker powers like we do the other disciplines?!? Or do you mean successfully rolling them during the psychic phase? Psychic powers are random, BA discipline is like any other, it has a table with 6 powers and a primaris. And the FT formation (rumored to come in a WD, and it could be repeated in Exterminatus) doesn't have any HQ or LoW, I don't know if you can take that as your only force? Well thats a sucky change. BA psykers used to be able to choose their psychic powers if taken from the the BA discipline. If this is now true, it's a real sucky change for librarians. Everyone has to deal with it so we should too. Plus our Primaris is very good! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/86/#findComment-3887100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Mephiston basically has to go in a pod full of DC. If you can ROLL up 5++ power then you're in the money. Pre-game, we have to roll to determine our BA psyker powers like we do the other disciplines?!? Or do you mean successfully rolling them during the psychic phase? Psychic powers are random, BA discipline is like any other, it has a table with 6 powers and a primaris. And the FT formation (rumored to come in a WD, and it could be repeated in Exterminatus) doesn't have any HQ or LoW, I don't know if you can take that as your only force? Well thats a sucky change. BA psykers used to be able to choose their psychic powers if taken from the the BA discipline. If this is now true, it's a real sucky change for librarians. Not trying to be a condescending arse, really I'm not, but are you familiar with 7th edition? It's just that this procedure for determining psychic powers is pretty fundamental to all armies now, and has been for half a year. V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/86/#findComment-3887122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MephistonTheLordOfDeath Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Mephiston basically has to go in a pod full of DC. If you can ROLL up 5++ power then you're in the money. Pre-game, we have to roll to determine our BA psyker powers like we do the other disciplines?!? Or do you mean successfully rolling them during the psychic phase? Psychic powers are random, BA discipline is like any other, it has a table with 6 powers and a primaris. And the FT formation (rumored to come in a WD, and it could be repeated in Exterminatus) doesn't have any HQ or LoW, I don't know if you can take that as your only force? Well thats a sucky change. BA psykers used to be able to choose their psychic powers if taken from the the BA discipline. If this is now true, it's a real sucky change for librarians. Not trying to be a condescending arse, really I'm not, but are you familiar with 7th edition? It's just that this procedure for determining psychic powers is pretty fundamental to all armies now, and has been for half a year. V I'm very familiar with 7th edition. Our old codex allowed us to pick powers from our codex or roll from the other disciplines before our powers got wiped with the update in 7th. I hoped the new codex would let us do it again. I think having to roll our powers when they're coming from our codex sucks. Unless I am not entitled to an opinion, I'm not quite sure what the big deal is for having one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/86/#findComment-3887139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnorriSnorrison Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Thinking of converting up some gunslinging Vanguard vets as they sound 9000% badass. where is the best place to get massed grav pistols? I mean, i'll have one come saturday Did they get any special rules that make them appealing for close combat, though? Snorri Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/86/#findComment-3887144 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Thinking of converting up some gunslinging Vanguard vets as they sound 9000% badass. where is the best place to get massed grav pistols? I mean, i'll have one come saturday Did they get any special rules that make them appealing for close combat, though? Snorri Can multi assault without penalty. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/86/#findComment-3887146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Thinking of converting up some gunslinging Vanguard vets as they sound 9000% badass. where is the best place to get massed grav pistols? I mean, i'll have one come saturday :P Did they get any special rules that make them appealing for close combat, though? Snorri "What's close combat? No really what is it?" - 7th edition GW rulebook, p. 1034 clause 15, subsection 3A Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/86/#findComment-3887147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Thinking of converting up some gunslinging Vanguard vets as they sound 9000% badass. where is the best place to get massed grav pistols? I mean, i'll have one come saturday Did they get any special rules that make them appealing for close combat, though? Snorri Can multi assault without penalty. You'll mainly be counting on S/I 5 to do damage in combat, but anything that survives around 10 grav and 10 bolt shots deserves to beat you in combat Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/86/#findComment-3887148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Mephiston basically has to go in a pod full of DC. If you can ROLL up 5++ power then you're in the money. Pre-game, we have to roll to determine our BA psyker powers like we do the other disciplines?!? Or do you mean successfully rolling them during the psychic phase? Psychic powers are random, BA discipline is like any other, it has a table with 6 powers and a primaris. And the FT formation (rumored to come in a WD, and it could be repeated in Exterminatus) doesn't have any HQ or LoW, I don't know if you can take that as your only force? Well thats a sucky change. BA psykers used to be able to choose their psychic powers if taken from the the BA discipline. If this is now true, it's a real sucky change for librarians. Not trying to be a condescending arse, really I'm not, but are you familiar with 7th edition? It's just that this procedure for determining psychic powers is pretty fundamental to all armies now, and has been for half a year. V I'm very familiar with 7th edition. Our old codex allowed us to pick powers from our codex or roll from the other disciplines before our powers got wiped with the update in 7th. I hoped the new codex would let us do it again. I think having to roll our powers when they're coming from our codex sucks. Unless I am not entitled to an opinion, I'm not quite sure what the big deal is for having one. I think what he's saying is that we've known that choosing your powers was going away for a long time, and everyone is surprised that anyone is still griping about it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/86/#findComment-3887151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonOfThunder Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 They can do multicharges without losing the extra atack, furious charge or the red thirst. Edit: this thread is so alive the question has been answered and the thread has already moved on in the time i wrote the answer... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/86/#findComment-3887153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 We have better tools for combat than VAS. Gun-slinging ones however, we have the means of exploiting. Think I'll be trying this once my Sanguinary Guard have increased in numbers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/86/#findComment-3887154 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MephistonTheLordOfDeath Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Mephiston basically has to go in a pod full of DC. If you can ROLL up 5++ power then you're in the money. Pre-game, we have to roll to determine our BA psyker powers like we do the other disciplines?!? Or do you mean successfully rolling them during the psychic phase? Psychic powers are random, BA discipline is like any other, it has a table with 6 powers and a primaris. And the FT formation (rumored to come in a WD, and it could be repeated in Exterminatus) doesn't have any HQ or LoW, I don't know if you can take that as your only force? Well thats a sucky change. BA psykers used to be able to choose their psychic powers if taken from the the BA discipline. If this is now true, it's a real sucky change for librarians. Not trying to be a condescending arse, really I'm not, but are you familiar with 7th edition? It's just that this procedure for determining psychic powers is pretty fundamental to all armies now, and has been for half a year. V I'm very familiar with 7th edition. Our old codex allowed us to pick powers from our codex or roll from the other disciplines before our powers got wiped with the update in 7th. I hoped the new codex would let us do it again. I think having to roll our powers when they're coming from our codex sucks. Unless I am not entitled to an opinion, I'm not quite sure what the big deal is for having one. I think what he's saying is that we've known that choosing your powers was going away for a long time, and everyone is surprised that anyone is still griping about it. I wasn't authoring the BA codex, so I had no idea it was going away. If saying it's a "sucky change" is griping I'd hate to see the reaction if some actually gripes! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/86/#findComment-3887155 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remtek Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Did Astorath loose artificer? He seems undercosted. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/86/#findComment-3887156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnorriSnorrison Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Thinking of converting up some gunslinging Vanguard vets as they sound 9000% badass. where is the best place to get massed grav pistols? I mean, i'll have one come saturday Did they get any special rules that make them appealing for close combat, though? Snorri Can multi assault without penalty. Dang it. Basically made them unattractive to me. Bit of a letdown, though expected. GW had the chance to make them stand out again. Still, feeling a bit sad. Thinking of converting up some gunslinging Vanguard vets as they sound 9000% badass. where is the best place to get massed grav pistols? I mean, i'll have one come saturday Did they get any special rules that make them appealing for close combat, though? Snorri "What's close combat? No really what is it?" - 7th edition GW rulebook, p. 1034 clause 15, subsection 3A To me, the only honourable style of combat. Nothing wrong with fire support, though. Snorri Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/299805-the-new-what-will-2014-bring-thread/page/86/#findComment-3887158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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