Doctor Perils Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Okay, here's a "grungier" version of the skull I proposed. Going off of Sanguinius's color scheme: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4OxGy29hjMsdTJ5VEVtcTZ3N2M Ohhh that looks nice, very Punisher. Yet not toooo Punisher... And it looks less Iron Warrior-y :) So would this be a replacement for the bloodied fist ? EDIT: Also, I thought I'd take a swing at altering colours of the Crimson Lion symbol Lord Thorn posted, also removing that ridiculous tongue. I believe Sigismund wanted Red on Bronze ? In any case, that's how I've coloured it for the moment. I've kept the tongue for the moment, but it might well need shortening. https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B48TzXvF2PU9QmpPa2JuaG9YdkU I've also made an attempt at the 'Zerkers wing, going from Tycho's backpack symbol. Any feedback Raktra ? https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B48TzXvF2PU9SmdYbV93eWwzbzg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314796-art-symbols-icons-and-badges/page/6/#findComment-4390950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomus Sardauk Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 (edited) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_eye No reason http://image.bolterandchainsword.com//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png Seems a bit paradoxical for a Pariah Legion don't you think? Given that Third Eyes are symbolic of a deeper spiritual connection to the divine, which is rather had to pull off if you're literally lacking in spirit to begin with. Okay, here's a "grungier" version of the skull I proposed. Going off of Sanguinius's color scheme: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4OxGy29hjMsdTJ5VEVtcTZ3N2M Ohhh that looks nice, very Punisher. Agreed, much better than the stencil version, but Slips hit the nail on the head for me, it immediately brings to mind Punisher, so again we're running into the "too recognisable/iconic" problem. http://image.bolterandchainsword.com//public/style_emoticons/default/confused.gif EDIT: EDIT: Also, I thought I'd take a swing at altering colours of the Crimson Lion symbol Lord Thorn posted, also removing that ridiculous tongue. I believe Sigismund wanted Red on Bronze ? In any case, that's how I've coloured it for the moment. I've kept the tongue for the moment, but it might well need shortening. https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B48TzXvF2PU9QmpPa2JuaG9YdkU I've also made an attempt at the 'Zerkers wing, going from Tycho's backpack symbol. Any feedback Raktra ? https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B48TzXvF2PU9SmdYbV93eWwzbzg Did he? http://image.bolterandchainsword.com//public/style_emoticons/default/huh.png Huh, maybe I missed that, I thought it was the other way around with a bronze Lion head on a Red field. Nice work on that Zerker symbol by the way, that was smart thinking using Tycho's heraldry as a base, though do you think it'd be possibly to make the chains look like they're wrapped around the wing? Currently it just looks like the wing's on the floor with the chains laid over it. Edited May 10, 2016 by SanguiniusReborn Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314796-art-symbols-icons-and-badges/page/6/#findComment-4390951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Oh definitely but it makes for sweet irony that they have the third eye as a symbol while being blind to all it could offer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314796-art-symbols-icons-and-badges/page/6/#findComment-4390967 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomus Sardauk Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 (edited) Oh definitely but it makes for sweet irony that they have the third eye as a symbol while being blind to all it could offer. Hmm, I still don't know... http://image.bolterandchainsword.com//public/style_emoticons/default/confused.gif [Deleted] Edited May 16, 2016 by SanguiniusReborn Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314796-art-symbols-icons-and-badges/page/6/#findComment-4390990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Well, for the sake of testing, that one didnt pan out like I thought it would hah! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314796-art-symbols-icons-and-badges/page/6/#findComment-4390994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Drakzilla~ Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 I've got something in the works that should hopefully get rid of the Punisher connection. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314796-art-symbols-icons-and-badges/page/6/#findComment-4390999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Did he? http://image.bolterandchainsword.com//public/style_emoticons/default/huh.png Huh, maybe I missed that, I thought it was the other way around with a bronze Lion head on a Red field.Nice work on that Zerker symbol by the way, that was smart thinking using Tycho's heraldry as a base, though do you think it'd be possibly to make the chains look like they're wrapped around the wing? Currently it just looks like the wing's on the floor with the chains laid over it. I'll have to have a play round with it, I just wanted an initial reaction before making the more complicated bits (I want to rework the Blood Drops a bit for instance) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314796-art-symbols-icons-and-badges/page/6/#findComment-4391006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Drakzilla~ Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 How's this for an idea? https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4OxGy29hjMscE1kODZMY0I1STg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314796-art-symbols-icons-and-badges/page/6/#findComment-4391019 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Ohhhh I like how it looks like a Mk IV helmet with a bit of Vaders Sinister thrown in. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314796-art-symbols-icons-and-badges/page/6/#findComment-4391022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 By now, the best looking skull :D very sinister unique Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314796-art-symbols-icons-and-badges/page/6/#findComment-4391026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomus Sardauk Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 How's this for an idea? https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4OxGy29hjMscE1kODZMY0I1STg Ooo, that's nice! Reminds me a little bit of the Iron Warriors' Mask of Lochos symbol but still cool, Ohhhh I like how it looks like a Mk IV helmet with a bit of Vaders Sinister thrown in. That too! Maybe with some Kylo Ren thrown in as well. By now, the best looking skull http://image.bolterandchainsword.com//public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.png very sinister unique I'm probably biased here, but I still kinda prefer my Emile skull, probably due to how many versions of it I've made and how much time I spent doing so, but also because it fits in better with my own personal idea of the Grave Stalkers and their sneaky, sneaky, guerillas in the mist terror ops modus operandii. The Emile skull to me looks like something you'd find daubed on the wall in blood after you and your patrol return to base only to find all your comrades skinned and their bodies hanging from the rafters of the mess hall as a message to your planet's civilization, kneel or suffer the same fate. Don't get me wrong, Drak's skull is fantastic but it makes me think of the Iron Warriors with it's grill-like mouth and WW2 german-helmet lip-thing that goes around the back of the head about the neck, you see what I mean? For me it calls to mind mechanised might, blood & iron, crushing your enemy under your armoured boot, etc, that sort of thing, so it feels like it doesn't fit with the sneaky, knife-in-the-dark Grave Stalkers in my head. http://image.bolterandchainsword.com//public/style_emoticons/default/unsure.png Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314796-art-symbols-icons-and-badges/page/6/#findComment-4391048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 (edited) Wahey ! I have to be honest, I feel the same as Sanguinius on this point. That is an awesome symbol, but doesn't quite fit with the Grave Stalkers... What about using it as a badge for the prior identity of the Legion ? I've added Harbingers and Lightning Bearers, what do you think ? Also, you might not notice this, but the Lightning bearers 'pad is a very dark grey rather than black, and the Harbingers' is black-black, which is a nice subtle touch (imo) https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B48TzXvF2PU9RXV0MTkybHJlZ1U https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B48TzXvF2PU9RDEtUVhBLXVGdEE Edited May 10, 2016 by Lord Thørn Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314796-art-symbols-icons-and-badges/page/6/#findComment-4391055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Drakzilla~ Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 (edited) @Sanguinius By now we've both put a good amount of time into these symbols, so I feel ya there. You bring up good points about the different looks, and I think you're right about yours fitting the legion better. I just think it needs *something* to set it apart from all the other Imperial skull icons. Like how the Death Guard have the spiked ring around theirs, or the Night Lords have the bat ears. I would suggest a tombstone around it, but that might be a bit on the nose. Edited May 10, 2016 by drakzilla Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314796-art-symbols-icons-and-badges/page/6/#findComment-4391061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 (edited) So, I've implemented Redd's requests for his Legion Pads https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B48TzXvF2PU9Y2d3N29rdnU3TDA https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B48TzXvF2PU9a1o4NU5ORGxoWlE What is the name of the Legion before the Primarch, and what are their colours ? And the Blood Wolves: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B48TzXvF2PU9M1h6ZW5jVTlycGc I'm improvising with the colours a bit again EDIT : so I still need to work on the NightGuard, a final decision on the grave stalkers, and indications for the godslayers and the stygian jackals. Plus approvals from any others... Updated list : 01 - Lightning Bearers: ready pending approval ....... 01 - Harbingers: ready pending approval 02 - XXXXXXXX 03 - Crimson Lions: ready pending approval ....... 03 - Blood Wolves: ready pending approval 04 - Void Eagles: approved (with reserve) ....... 04 - Morningstars: ready pending approval 05 - Halcyon Wardens: ready pending approval 06 - Iron Bears: ready pending approval 07 - Berserkers of Uran: ready pending approval 08 - Godslayers: Unaware of their symbol 09 - Warbringers: approved ....... 09 - Steel Guard: ready pending approval 10 - Fire Keepers: ready pending approval 11 - XXXXXXXXXXXX 12 - Wardens of Light: ready pending approval ....... 12 - Apostles of War: approved 13 - Eagle Warriors: ready pending approval 14 - Dune Serpents: approved 15 - Grave Stalkers: approved 16 - The Drowned: ready pending approval 17 - Warriors of Peace: symbol in discussion (or I missed the conclusion) => Ready Pending approval ? 18 - Stygian Jackals: unaware of their symbol 19 - Scions Hospitaler: ready pending approval 20 - Ghost Walkers: ready pending approval XX - Nightguard: to be done Edited May 10, 2016 by Lord Thørn Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314796-art-symbols-icons-and-badges/page/6/#findComment-4391070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 (edited) Only slight change on the 'serkers one - no blood drops. I know that seems kinda contrary to my everything, but it kinda reminds me of Tycho's shoulder right now.EDIT: Do we need a prior cognomen symbol as well? Edited May 10, 2016 by Raktra Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314796-art-symbols-icons-and-badges/page/6/#findComment-4391090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomus Sardauk Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 @Sanguinius By now we've both put a good amount of time into these symbols, so I feel ya there. You bring up good points about the different looks, and I think you're right about yours fitting the legion better. I just think it needs *something* to set it apart from all the other Imperial skull icons. Like how the Death Guard have the spiked ring around theirs, or the Night Lords have the bat ears. I would suggest a tombstone around it, but that might be a bit on the nose. I concur, the skull itself does need something to set it apart but I'm unsure as to what, I'm considered several options including crossed scythes like this or this given that the legion's elite warriors are called Reapers but I fear that's encroaching on Death Guard territory, crossed knives like this (the kukris in the top left) or maybe a pair of skeletal hands either side. I'm not sure what I should go with to be honest, so if anyone has any suggestions or ideas let me know. http://image.bolterandchainsword.com//public/style_emoticons/default/ermm.gif Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314796-art-symbols-icons-and-badges/page/6/#findComment-4391098 Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Drakzilla~ Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Ooh that gives me an idea! This might be a drastic change, but what about ditching the skull and having a crossed pair of skeletal hands forming the sign of the Aquila? It would fit in with the bloodied fist, and also be quite unique I think. Of course, it would invalidate all these skulls we've come up with... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314796-art-symbols-icons-and-badges/page/6/#findComment-4391101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skalpynock Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 And be a pain to paint on shoulderpads. I say we keep to the original blood-fist. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314796-art-symbols-icons-and-badges/page/6/#findComment-4391103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomus Sardauk Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Ooh that gives me an idea! This might be a drastic change, but what about ditching the skull and having a crossed pair of skeletal hands forming the sign of the Aquila? It would fit in with the bloodied fist, and also be quite unique I think. Of course, it would invalidate all these skulls we've come up with... I don't think I'd be able to do that, it'd be a nightmare trying to get the fingers into the right positions to make the Aquila shape and even then would people be able to tell what it was trying to show? Plus I don't think the Aquila hand-gesture came about until the Lecticio Divinitas took hold during the Heresy, being the Emperor-worship equivalent of the usual prayer gesture. And be a pain to paint on shoulderpads. I say we keep to the original blood-fist. True, it would probably lose a metric button of detail when reduced down to transfer size so as to be unrecognisable. Ya'know, for the longest time I honestly thought the Blood Fist was the symbol of the Berzerkers, with the chained Wings being a banner design taking inspiration from their homeworld's culture, it just seemed like something they'd use. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314796-art-symbols-icons-and-badges/page/6/#findComment-4391119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Drakzilla~ Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 I believe there is a passage in one of the HH novels that describes Alpharius using the gesture(ironically). I might be able to mock something up as a proof of concept. As for the skull, what about a sickle around it? Still has the "reaper" connotation, but not as Death Guard-y. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314796-art-symbols-icons-and-badges/page/6/#findComment-4391126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 The Aquila was typical during the Crusade, the old fist-against-chest having become old hat before they even broke out of the Sol system. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314796-art-symbols-icons-and-badges/page/6/#findComment-4391129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 The Bears' symbols look good. Legion name was The Juggernauts, and colours were Ivory with a hunter green right arm & shoulder pad with the lightning bolt in copper. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314796-art-symbols-icons-and-badges/page/6/#findComment-4391245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 05 - Halcyon Wardens: ready pending approval 17 - Warriors of Peace: symbol in discussion (or I missed the conclusion) => Ready Pending approval ? 05 - It's perfect. 17 - It's also good. As for prior legion symbols, I've not thought of one. We've established that the Halcyon Wardens were the Storm Riders, but I've made it clear that they wore the standard grey of the Terran legions. Likewise, the Warriors At Peace would also be grey. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314796-art-symbols-icons-and-badges/page/6/#findComment-4391252 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 I think bony hands will be a bit much. Maybe save it for a Chapter/cult banner? I fancy the latter, actually, for my necromancer idea for Nurgle's Chosen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314796-art-symbols-icons-and-badges/page/6/#findComment-4391275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 (edited) Only slight change on the 'serkers one - no blood drops. I know that seems kinda contrary to my everything, but it kinda reminds me of Tycho's shoulder right now. EDIT: Do we need a prior cognomen symbol as well? Okay, I'll come round to that later on today (hopefully). Should I just leave the ragged edge, or should there be something else ? To be clear, we don't need prior cognomen or prior symbol. However, some of the proposed ideas for badges seem too good just to be left to the side. I think bony hands will be a bit much. Maybe save it for a Chapter/cult banner? I fancy the latter, actually, for my necromancer idea for Nurgle's Chosen. That could work imo http://image.bolterandchainsword.com//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png Updated list : 01 - Lightning Bearers: ready pending approval ....... 01 - Harbingers: ready pending approval 02 - XXXXXXXX 03 - Crimson Lions: ready pending approval ....... 03 - Blood Wolves: ready pending approval 04 - Void Eagles: approved (with reserve) ....... 04 - Morningstars: ready pending approval 05 - Halcyon Wardens: approved 06 - Iron Bears: approved ....... 06 - Juggernauts: colours to be changed 07 - Berserkers of Uran: blood drops to be removed, chains to be remodelled 08 - Godslayers: Unaware of their symbol 09 - Warbringers: approved ....... 09 - Steel Guard: ready pending approval 10 - Fire Keepers: ready pending approval 11 - XXXXXXXXXXXX 12 - Wardens of Light: ready pending approval ....... 12 - Apostles of War: approved 13 - Eagle Warriors: ready pending approval 14 - Dune Serpents: approved 15 - Grave Stalkers: approved 16 - The Drowned: ready pending approval 17 - Warriors of Peace: approved 18 - Stygian Jackals: unaware of their symbol 19 - Scions Hospitaler: ready pending approval 20 - Ghost Walkers: ready pending approval XX - Nightguard: to be done LINK TO DRIVE Edited May 11, 2016 by Lord Thørn Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314796-art-symbols-icons-and-badges/page/6/#findComment-4391285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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