Terminus Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 I know everyone is fixated on the volkites, but I'm wondering if the heavy flamers aren't the better bet on close assault variants. The only thing that will annoy the Leviathan is being tired down by hordes, and two heavy flamers roast auxilia and mechanicum troops much better than 4 volkite ap5 shots. Plus overwatch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Depends if you've already used your phosphex or not I suppose, and your other main weapons. If you've taken the grav that's probably done a little horde thinning before you charge, plus the phosphex will take out more. If you are toting dual CCW, flamers might help if you pod in, if you are walking I'd still take the volkite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 I would always pod if using phosphex or grav. If you go double storm and walk it, then volkites are the way to go without a doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted December 9, 2015 Author Share Posted December 9, 2015 In a Legion list, you should have ample other things taking care of those hordes - it's what those dirty tactical marines are for that everyone forgets about :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 In a Legion list, you should have ample other things taking care of those hordes - it's what those dirty tactical marines are for that everyone forgets about 2 Calivers won't kill more marines than 2 Heavy Flamers. And you'll regret those words when your freshly-podded dreadnought gets mired by a unit of 20 backfield Auxilia for the whole game. Brofist 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 For Legions like DG (Chem) and Sallies (+1S), Heavy Flamers might be the better bet, actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Aren't the heavy flamers twin-linked anyway? So chem's bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 True enough. Sallies win out then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 You're thinking of the Deredeo? The Leviathan actually does have two full heavy flamers. XIVth Legion here, I know these things ;) Marshal Loss 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Ah yep, you're right, thought it was two twin-linked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted December 10, 2015 Author Share Posted December 10, 2015 In a Legion list, you should have ample other things taking care of those hordes - it's what those dirty tactical marines are for that everyone forgets about 2 Calivers won't kill more marines than 2 Heavy Flamers. And you'll regret those words when your freshly-podded dreadnought gets mired by a unit of 20 backfield Auxilia for the whole game. Unless they're fearless, I'd highly doubt it since they'd flee. And likely get swept. And a turn spent in cc is a turn you're not getting shot at. But yes it probably is a bit more viable to take flamers, though rule of cool. YMMV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 (edited) I'm a big fan of choom, but I'm not sure if they are actually cooler than flame-spewing nipples (even without a Slaaneshi conversion :P). Edited December 10, 2015 by Terminus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Yeah I really wish the Volkites were a free swap-for. It's not hard to throw magnets in there though. I've already done it on two Leviathans under assembly using cylindrical magnets. Just drill a hole in with the pin vice, checking your depth, and then throw the magnet in when it's about flush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 its +5pts though so its not that big of a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted December 10, 2015 Author Share Posted December 10, 2015 (edited) I'm a big fan of choom, but I'm not sure if they are actually cooler than flame-spewing nipples (even without a Slaaneshi conversion :P).Holy flaming nips batman!!!! Edit: it actually sounds like a mixed drink they serve at an exotic bar. "One flaming nipple please!" Edited December 10, 2015 by depthcharge12 Doctor Perils 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 I have actually had that drink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 ...yeah but lets not go there in this thread at least /nudgenudge ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 On topic then, is there anyone who's got a quicker way of resolving the grav-bombard's blast? The tables 'round my way are small, so a large blast's gonna hit at least 13 models and screw that noise with all them D6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 (edited) How small a table are we talking about here? Can you bring a Deathstrike missile? You could go by majority strength on a per unit basis. Edited December 10, 2015 by Terminus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sircyn Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 (edited) How small a table are we talking about here? Can you bring a Deathstrike missile? You could go by majority strength on a per unit basis. How small a points game are you running this thing?! If I had a guy with a pip higher strength under the template I'd want him to have a go on that not be dragged down by his loser pals! The weapon is brutal enough. Plus the leviathan is over 300pts, rolling out your hits properly takes no more time than a 20 man tactical squad using fury of the Legion. Especially if some douche in the target unit is wearing artificer armour. So I don't think that overall it makes your games longer. You'd have those 300pts of not a leviathan doing things and taking time too. Edited December 10, 2015 by Sircyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheesh Mode Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 (edited) The Leviathan is well suited to the hard-hitting deep strike assault of the Sons of Horus and fulfills the need for an anti-gargantuan unit. Where Terminators destroy vehicles, and Reavers kill infantry, the Leviathan will fell Titans. It is an armor value 13 dreadnought with 4 hull points and is initiative 5 on the charge capable of destroying lords of war in a single turn of assault. It can hit at the same time as wraithknights and survive the combat then maintain a board presence as it stomps about the opponent's backfield. Further, it will suit the Black Reaving Rite of War when deployed in a dreadclaw as the dreadclaw helps meet the necessity for more fast attack than heavy support slots. A powerful, assault oriented dreadnought to support the specialized close-combat strategies and tactics of His trusted Sons will suit my armies well and dominate the board, wherever they land. Additional ranged weaponry is unnecessary for such an effective assault unit. Rather than divert its focus away from a close assault oriented role, spend as few points as possible and simply purchase some armored ceramite on it to protect against unexpected melta shots. Edited December 10, 2015 by Sheesh Mode paxyl 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01RTB01 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Can't be transported in an anvillus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheesh Mode Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Says who? I have not seen that restriction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 I know everyone is fixated on the volkites, but I'm wondering if the heavy flamers aren't the better bet on close assault variants. The only thing that will annoy the Leviathan is being tired down by hordes, and two heavy flamers roast auxilia and mechanicum troops much better than 4 volkite ap5 shots. Plus overwatch. I'm with you. Volkites are cool, but I'd rather have the flamers. If it was a pair of culvrins I'd change my opinion though. its +5pts though so its not that big of a deal. For the 10 points, I'd rather give some sarge AA or a combi weapon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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