Doctor Perils Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 What about Malcador? As the emperor's hand he surely has an eye on them. Or did I missed that Malcador doesn't exists here? He's here, but I don't think much work has been done on him. As he has access to the Lunar gene-vaults, I think Malcador might be a good candidate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/page/14/#findComment-4244904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted December 6, 2015 Author Share Posted December 6, 2015 Malcador does exist and is right where he was in the canon-verse. However, I don't see Vizenko approaching him. While I agree that we shouldn't ignore the non-legions, this case is specifically about acquiring legion gene-seed. I've heard a lot of good suggestions and am having trouble distinguishing between them. So, I've decided to invoke that age-old judge of equality: chance. I'll roll a die among this list: 1 - Crimson Lions 2- Loyalist Berserker 3 - Wardens of Light 4 - Scions of Hospitaller 5 - Iron Bear 6 - Stygian Jackel 7 - Dune Serpent I've removed the Wardens from the list because, while the Emperor will be the judge & Kozja is (essentially) the defense lawyer, Alexandros will be the official Prosecutor. There are two reasons for this. One, it's supposed to represent a visible transition of the Emperor transferring his authority to Alexandros. Two, thematically, Alexandros is diametrically opposed to Kozja. One of the core themes of Alex and the Wardens is the embrace of diversity which is opposite of Kozja's pursuit of the 'One True Legion'. I've added three more legions to the list since they are all part of the Purity party. For this roll, I'll be using an online dice roller and will post the results in my next post. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/page/14/#findComment-4244908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted December 6, 2015 Author Share Posted December 6, 2015 Result 1 (http://www.unseenservant.com/default.asp?do=testroll&what=sand) It is a Crimson Lion who will expose Vizenko. Sigismund, may I have an appropriate character to continue on? EDIT: Hm. Link isn't working as expected. If only Invisible Castle was still here. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/page/14/#findComment-4244913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Squig Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 That sounds good to me; while the Dune Serpents have had a bad history with genetic modification and so would tell on Vizenko immediately, I'm not sure anyone would trust them enough to tell them in the first place! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/page/14/#findComment-4244928 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Alauros Ragnarval, Dryos of Clan Senoni. While he's still as loyal to Hectarion and the Emperor as any other Lion, Ragnarval is a Terran who is amongst the most radical of the Crimson Lions since Turrus was banished. He believes that the Astartes must evolve with the Crusade and so eliminate flaws in their own gene seed. However, when faced with the idea of doing any more than eliminating flaws in the gene seed he'd be horrified(and most likely remember what a madman Turrus became following his obsession with it) and either beat Vizenko unconscious or try to kill him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/page/14/#findComment-4244938 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted December 6, 2015 Author Share Posted December 6, 2015 Thanks for the quick response, Sigi. I'll write up the piece later today after I finish traveling. (And Vizenko may be taking the stand with a couple of new scars!) There's something else I wanted to address. When I first started this thread, I imagined the legion chapters outpacing the work on the general lore sections. Well, that turned out to be untrue (and before anyone can start apologizing, it's okay, I know work is being done behind the scenes. Carry on.) What I wanted to address is what happens after I finish the Prosecution section. That will be the last of the background work. Which means I've finished all of the Alpha stage work that can be done outside the legions. So, where should we go from there? As always, I'm available to help out with the legions. Just say the word and I'll be there. Barring that, there are two other paths: Option A: Start work on Book 2 - Alpha stage. Get the thread up and running and laying the groundwork. Option B: Shift into a quasi-Beta Stage in Book 1 Insurrection. This means we start work on the featured campaigns' fluff. Personally, I'm leaning toward Option B. We've already done a few bits and pieces for the first campaign, and it might affect the background work in Book 2. What does everyone else think? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/page/14/#findComment-4244968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Well as I am so busy atm, a little help for the wardens would be cool. I am a total failure in writing battlehistorics, or world descriptions or history blabla. I am only good at writing close combat scenes, where a lot of blood is involved. I can give you sword battles, gun duels and oceans of blood. I can give you all together or after one another. Swords with blood or guns with blood but never anything without blood. Blood is essential. It doesn't work without blood. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/page/14/#findComment-4244988 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Blood for the ... Ah forget it. I say go with option B. For the same reasons you've already mentioned. It would be selfish to say please help me as there are more important things to finish than my supplement codex stuff. :) I would like to help as well but as it turns out my little neophyte takes more time than I thought. Instead of finishing the summary about the war of Olympia and writing an article about House Ordoz, I wrote 5 lines....wait... 8 lines... It was worth it! :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/page/14/#findComment-4245061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 The Drowned can be discounted. They are canny enough to know that the Forlorn and Morro would not be well recieved so do as much as possible to hide their exposure, putting the survivors tales down to the broken minds of those who witness the horror of a Drowned Assault. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/page/14/#findComment-4245073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted December 7, 2015 Author Share Posted December 7, 2015 Hesh, if I may be blunt, I'm not sure what you're post is responding to. Kelborn, you are correct. The 'core' books have my priority right now. Mikhal, I can offer a little help, but my focus will still be on the legions detailed in Insurrection. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/page/14/#findComment-4245362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted December 7, 2015 Author Share Posted December 7, 2015 The infamous individual responsible for exposing the Warbringers was Alauros Ragnarval, Dryos of Clan Senoni. Like Vizenko, Ragnarval harboured a focus on his legion gene-seed and was working hard on the matter when Vizenko approached him, seeing a kindred spirit. Alas, Vizenko made a terrible miscalculation. The similarities between the two marines' research was only superficial, for Ragnarval sought to cure his legion's gene-seed of its defects, whereas Vizenko intended a much greater change. Vizenko presented his case to Ragnarval who became enraged at what Vizenko's was attempting. The meeting turned violent when Ragnarval attacked the venerable Warbringer, scarring him. Vizenko's life was spared when other Crimson Lions saved him from their enraged kin. Yet, the damage was done, the truth revealed. [sigi, Skal, how's that?] Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/page/14/#findComment-4245373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Not entirely sure either looking back. Head's Internal voices *Don't drink and post, Hesh, we've been through this many many times.* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/page/14/#findComment-4245376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted December 7, 2015 Author Share Posted December 7, 2015 Well, this does clear up the mystery of your weird posts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/page/14/#findComment-4245389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Looks pretty good but two changes I'd suggest. Line 4: harboured not harbored and then throughout the piece, you referr to Ragnarval as Alauros, which is his rank rather than part of his name(Dryos is also a rank he possess) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/page/14/#findComment-4245433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skalpynock Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 "Filthy barbarians..." (you have no ideas how hypocritical that sentence is from a Warbringer yet, but all will be revealed in due time. Hopefully this evening GMT.) On topic, I'm fine with my characters getting some sense beaten into them. You don't tell someone you're going to dissolve their family, and their own blood, without at least being violently insulted. Proving you"ve already started working on it is a good way to get killed. That's the tragic counterbalance of overzealousness. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/page/14/#findComment-4245435 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted December 7, 2015 Author Share Posted December 7, 2015 So many titles... Anyway, I've fixed the paragraph. I'll move onto the next one later today. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/page/14/#findComment-4245700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted December 7, 2015 Author Share Posted December 7, 2015 This revelation would spark heated debate across the Imperium. Was the human race denying itself a necessary step in its own evolution toward dominance? Or was this the path of damnation covered in shallow promises? To restore the peace, the Emperor declared that he would judge Vizenko and summoned the errant Warbringer to his court. It was on the radiated moon of Baal where this trial would take place. [Question. For the Pro-Purity Primarchs, is there any specific rationales that they have for preserving genetic purity? Not sure if I can get them in, but I'll try.] Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/page/14/#findComment-4246016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Squig Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Azus has some bad history with genetic modification (as will be seen later), so he would have some serious beef with anyone advocating it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/page/14/#findComment-4246037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skalpynock Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Barring that, there are two other paths: Option A: Start work on Book 2 - Alpha stage. Get the thread up and running and laying the groundwork. Option B: Shift into a quasi-Beta Stage in Book 1 Insurrection. This means we start work on the featured campaigns' fluff. Personally, I'm leaning toward Option B. We've already done a few bits and pieces for the first campaign, and it might affect the background work in Book 2. What does everyone else think? Option B seems good: while the concerned members flesh out their legion's section on their side, we can start collectively working on the campaigns. It also leaves time for certain book II legions to rise beyond "loose collection of ideas without any consistent sight of what I'm doing". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/page/14/#findComment-4246049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 For mine own, its because they share the same beliefs as the Emperor and would not dare mutate the human frame. He isnt above icreasing efficiency and functionality of whats already present though! Eyes that see UV or IR are cool. Suddenly having squid eyes, isnt. Lungs that can filter oxygen out of water is cool (kindw necessary on Iona) Gills on the human frame are an aberration. Yes, the slight hypocrisy of such a stance is intentional :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/page/14/#findComment-4246172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 For mine own, its because they share the same beliefs as the Emperor and would not dare mutate the human frame. He isnt above icreasing efficiency and functionality of whats already present though! Eyes that see UV or IR are cool. Suddenly having squid eyes, isnt. Lungs that can filter oxygen out of water is cool (kindw necessary on Iona) Gills on the human frame are an aberration. Yes, the slight hypocrisy of such a stance is intentional :) It's exactly how the Daer'dd and the Bears work too, give them drugs to increase muscle, bone, and tendon mass and toss metal augments to further it even farther fine. But actually tamper with the gene code of the Emperor's own doing is blasmphomy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/page/14/#findComment-4246456 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athrawes Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I've removed the Wardens from the list because, while the Emperor will be the judge & Kozja is (essentially) the defense lawyer, Alexandros will be the official Prosecutor. There are two reasons for this. One, it's supposed to represent a visible transition of the Emperor transferring his authority to Alexandros. When you write out the fluff for this section I would avoid making the case that Alexandros was chosen because of his status as Warmaster. I understand that Alex is more political than Horus was, but the office of warmaster as has been established as the head of the war council, not High lords, or Council of Terra. The war councils purview is war, and while the legions involved in this trial will play a big part in the furtherance of the war, the oversight of the trial should fall decidedly on the side of the administration of the Imperium. Alex has (or should have) 0 authority in regards to the administration of the Imperium as that is far outside the purview of the office of warmaster. So to sum up, the power the Emperor ceded to the Warmaster is over the War council. Matters of administering the Imperium are still firmly in the Emperors/administrates sphere of control, and should be outside Alex's authority. I know you might disagree with that assessment, but doing so would deform the office of Warmaster, in that the only authority the Emperor should have transferred to Alex is over the war council. I think makeing Alex the prosecutor is fine (not ideal), but implying it's because has has taken over for the Emperor in this area, is deforming the intent of the office of Warmaster. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/page/14/#findComment-4246466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I've removed the Wardens from the list because, while the Emperor will be the judge & Kozja is (essentially) the defense lawyer, Alexandros will be the official Prosecutor. There are two reasons for this. One, it's supposed to represent a visible transition of the Emperor transferring his authority to Alexandros. When you write out the fluff for this section I would avoid making the case that Alexandros was chosen because of his status as Warmaster. I understand that Alex is more political than Horus was, but the office of warmaster as has been established as the head of the war council, not High lords, or Council of Terra. The war councils purview is war, and while the legions involved in this trial will play a big part in the furtherance of the war, the oversight of the trial should fall decidedly on the side of the administration of the Imperium. Alex has (or should have) 0 authority in regards to the administration of the Imperium as that is far outside the purview of the office of warmaster. So to sum up, the power the Emperor ceded to the Warmaster is over the War council. Matters of administering the Imperium are still firmly in the Emperors/administrates sphere of control, and should be outside Alex's authority. I know you might disagree with that assessment, but doing so would deform the office of Warmaster, in that the only authority the Emperor should have transferred to Alex is over the war council. I think makeing Alex the prosecutor is fine (not ideal), but implying it's because has has taken over for the Emperor in this area, is deforming the intent of the office of Warmaster. I agree again. Only thing I know is that the paternova is implicitly on the defendant s side, Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/page/14/#findComment-4246559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I second lord thorn and athrawes. But as a prosecutor it could work. And if it is only for the case that the legions purity is in danger and therefore the ability to warfare. I mean commanding some brainless mutant brutes might be difficult. I am too lazy to look, but the emperor is there as judge. Isn't he? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/page/14/#findComment-4246607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Don't know how you would call it...I third Lord Thorn, etc.? Doesn't matter. I agree with them. I would say: Judge: Emperor Speaker: Malcador Prosecutor: maybe a high ranking member of the Genetors? in conjunction with Alexandros Defender: Paternova and / or Kozja Just my 2 cents. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315290-black-book-insurrection-published/page/14/#findComment-4246651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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