simison Posted January 15, 2017 Author Share Posted January 15, 2017 I don't know Blunt. The lines, the head of a bird, and the glyphs don't seem to gel well. Maybe you can explain how? I've added the legion battle-cry to the wiki page. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/19/#findComment-4624194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomus Sardauk Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 I think he was referring to the helmet by itself Sim. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/19/#findComment-4624196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted January 16, 2017 Author Share Posted January 16, 2017 I think he was referring to the helmet by itself Sim. Ah, that makes much more sense. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/19/#findComment-4624403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Huh, apparently it didn't post. In short, Sangi's right. Sim, people in Mechanicus OK'd Alex messing with the Skitarii and automata. How does the passage read? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/19/#findComment-4629692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted January 20, 2017 Author Share Posted January 20, 2017 Huh, apparently it didn't post. In short, Sangi's right. Sim, people in Mechanicus OK'd Alex messing with the Skitarii and automata. How does the passage read? Gotcha. Sorry I haven't replied yet. I'll get to that soon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/19/#findComment-4629710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted February 4, 2017 Author Share Posted February 4, 2017 One minor note here. When I first created Alexandros, it was always my intent to make him one of the more powerful psykers in the Imperium, but make him more balanced by having him limited to only two disciplines. The idea was that he was just beneath Magnus in terms of power and ability. So, when I made him Mastery Level 4, there was some outcry that he should ML 3, like Lorgar. I have said that if Magnus' rules came out, and if Magnus was ML 4, I would drop Alexandros to ML 3. Well, Magnus is ML 5. So, I'm not reducing Alex's ML. That's all. Grifftofer and Demus Ragnok 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/19/#findComment-4643851 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 I am glad of this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/19/#findComment-4643975 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/19/#findComment-4643982 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 (edited) Sim, I recall you saying that Alex's helm wouldn't go with the hood on the Lorica Praeses. Any idea what you'd like to replace it with? "About the same, minus the crest" just doesn't seem quite right for the Warmaster. This would probably be strictly for pics, but maybe like a Phoenix Guard with a laurel on the top. Meaning these rather than the Terminators. Edited February 11, 2017 by bluntblade Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/19/#findComment-4653153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 The helm for the Lorica Praeses is in the "Grekan" style depicting a serene human face. simison 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/19/#findComment-4653162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 I totally missed that. Like the Gaulish chap in Gladiator, then? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/19/#findComment-4653164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 I totally missed that. Like the Gaulish chap in Gladiator, then? Yes Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/19/#findComment-4653167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 Nice. Can we do the Warmaster's laurel? I remember that Horus was never shown wearing it, but it is a thing in some depictions of the Triumph. simison 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/19/#findComment-4653177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 So hec and alex have the same helmet? Nice info^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/19/#findComment-4653231 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 Nah, Hec's will be more classically Saxon, I think Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/19/#findComment-4653701 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 Nah, Hec's will be more classically Saxon, I think It's essentially the Sutton Hoo helmet IN SPACE. So yes, it is more Saxon than greek, much more Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/19/#findComment-4653705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 I still want the Khan to have a helmet option. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/19/#findComment-4653706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 Just refered to the helmet you described for the eternity gate pic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/19/#findComment-4653887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted March 6, 2017 Author Share Posted March 6, 2017 So, I created my first plot hole. In the original Lost Legion, the Lord Commander of the 2nd is Edrick Yeshie. He leads the attack on Albyon and eventually becomes the most famous case of insanity. Well, in steps Biz'sark. I'm not sure when, but at some point, I created him to be Lord Commander and is first mentioned in the Battle for Three Flags. This is after Edrick is mentioned as the Legion Master during the Albyon campaign. Then I have Biz'sark duel Rollen of the Blood Wolves before switching back to Yeshie for the insanity thing. Well, I've fixed the wiki article by just replacing Edrick with Biz'sark entirely. But now I'm tempted to have Biz'sark not dead like Yeshie and have him be the last case Alex cures. Then I'd have Yeshie moved to a different role in the Insurrection. What do people think I should do? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/19/#findComment-4675393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted March 7, 2017 Author Share Posted March 7, 2017 In the end, I simply had both be Legion Master one after the other. Then I killed both of them off. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/19/#findComment-4676540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 That works Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/19/#findComment-4676600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 When in doubt, let someone die. ;) simison 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/19/#findComment-4676738 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Reading back through this thread, you stated that the Order of the Shield is shattered on the Day of Revelation. I'm guessing that's because it loses it's commanders? And what's the numerical distribution of Wardens across the three orders like? Are they all the same size or...? And what place do Destroyers occupy within the Vth? By the way, for the Halycon Wardens in the immediate(ish) aftermath of the DoR, I'm writing a Section for Book 2 about the opening phases of Icarion's conquest of the Maelstrom and galactic core. I wrote that, while technically they are the second largest legion, scattered in garrissons across the Imperium as they are "only" 103,490 Wardens show up in the Sol system. Is that number ok with you? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/19/#findComment-4679976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted March 10, 2017 Author Share Posted March 10, 2017 Correct. Pyrrhicles and a majority of the Order's veterans are killed or defect during the Madrigal Purge. Numerically, that's only, at most, 10% of the Order. But that's a very critical component of the Order. Throw in the Insurrection and how excellent defenders become an all-time premium for the Imperium, and the Order never recovers until the Scouring. Numerical distribution, do you want actual numbers or just relative to each other? Destroyers are very much a necessary evil within the Legion. Given how 'dirty' warfare tends to spoil the ground one is trying to conquer, Alex almost outright bans them when fighting against human opponents. Basically, they're limited to situations where the terrain is already spoiled, is xeno enough that it needs to be terraformed anyway, or the Imperium has no intention of holding in the long-term. To have a full 100k in Sol during a few months after the DoR? Yes, that sounds fine. Mars still needs to be pacified at that point. Afterwards though, the Warmaster would not keep so many Wardens away from the front lines. Sigismund229 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/19/#findComment-4680038 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 So would the Vth's Destroyers be deployed on Mars? For the Orders, I was looking for actual numbers. Oh and how does the Diplomatic Order function in war? Those 103,490 HW are the final number who answer Alex's recall to the Sol system in the months after the DoR yes. So they'll be deployed against Mars. After that I assumed a small force would remain on Terra but most would head off to the front lines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/19/#findComment-4680055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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