Grifftofer Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Most times I've seen them they've been with one or two missile launchers (depending on squad size), usually with Jump Packs, though occasionally in a Rhino. That way they can move forwards to support an assault unit with their Rad Grenades, but still provide fire support with their launchers. The problem is is that they are just too expensive for what they provide, if you want a support unit Vets with Missiles and Sniper are probably better (or Quad Launcher Rapiers) and if you want to supplement an assault then a Forgelord with Rad Grenades is cheaper and usually deals more damage too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324559-the-berserkers-of-uran-a-thread-from-the-past/page/6/#findComment-4564666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted November 17, 2016 Author Share Posted November 17, 2016 Funnily that's exactly what I had in mind for D,WA. I wasn't sure how to implement buffs other than the switches though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324559-the-berserkers-of-uran-a-thread-from-the-past/page/6/#findComment-4564802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grifftofer Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 Well I suppose it depends on what you want to emphasise with the Rite. I think that changing the units around along with something like army-wide fear (would make for a nice combo with the Berserkers' immunity to fear) and an 'upgrade' option that is similar to the World Eaters Inductii (+S,-BS,FNP[6+],no scoring,IC may not join,don't lose VP for losing unit) would make for a pretty good rite of war. It would just be a case of finding some reasonable balances for the benefits. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324559-the-berserkers-of-uran-a-thread-from-the-past/page/6/#findComment-4565124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted November 18, 2016 Author Share Posted November 18, 2016 Must have less vehicles than infantry units is an option, obviously no Librarians at that point. Must have a unit of Wretched/Architects as well as the usual compulsories... What else? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324559-the-berserkers-of-uran-a-thread-from-the-past/page/6/#findComment-4565313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grifftofer Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 Perhaps making allied detachments one level lower than normal. So Sworn Brothers become Fellow Warriors... etc. Or prohibiting them outright, as I think most would be put off by the Berserkers' tactics and the Old Blood users/victims :P Are you still planning on having the Desolist Consul as an option? If so then perhaps they could be an extra compulsory HQ. I don't think you need use all of them, but this way you have some options to choose from. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324559-the-berserkers-of-uran-a-thread-from-the-past/page/6/#findComment-4565429 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted November 18, 2016 Author Share Posted November 18, 2016 Probably go no allies at all, that's standard fare for my RoW options :p The Desolist is probably gone now, I dropped that idea as it didn't fit the 'serkers nihilism. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324559-the-berserkers-of-uran-a-thread-from-the-past/page/6/#findComment-4565473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grifftofer Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 Hehe. Fair enough. I wasn't sure if you might like one option that let you take from your limited selection of allies :P By my count you have one free slot left to fill to complete your legion rules. Any thoughts/plans on how you will fill it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324559-the-berserkers-of-uran-a-thread-from-the-past/page/6/#findComment-4565480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted November 18, 2016 Author Share Posted November 18, 2016 I genuinely didn't realise! I dunno what I could add. Maybe take a leaf out the World Eaters' book and add Rage? Or the Skyfire-esque bonus Raktra used to give. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324559-the-berserkers-of-uran-a-thread-from-the-past/page/6/#findComment-4565540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grifftofer Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 Apologies. I meant in terms of units/characters/wargear rather than the actual Legion Astartes (Berserkers of Uran) rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324559-the-berserkers-of-uran-a-thread-from-the-past/page/6/#findComment-4565542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 (edited) What exactly does he have atm? Maybe we can come up with ideas for a unit/ char/ wargear. On the front page are 5 listed. 2 wargear, 2 units and 1 char. Edited November 18, 2016 by MikhalLeNoir Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324559-the-berserkers-of-uran-a-thread-from-the-past/page/6/#findComment-4565543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grifftofer Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 My list is: 2 characters (Riktus Innorvak, Kehl Dorhak) 3 units (Milewalkers, The Architects, Wretched) 2 Wargear (Impact Thrusters, Hell's Teeth) That makes 7, so normally 2 left, but Raktra traded one character slot for an additional Rite of War. So only one slot remaining, which could go to any of the three categories. Oh and I just noticed that the Berserkers don't have a Relic listed currently either. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324559-the-berserkers-of-uran-a-thread-from-the-past/page/6/#findComment-4565552 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 Raktra should update his front page^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324559-the-berserkers-of-uran-a-thread-from-the-past/page/6/#findComment-4565564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted November 18, 2016 Author Share Posted November 18, 2016 Yeah, I really should :p The Relic I was stuck on, torn between either a weapon of maximum :cuss, or some kind of hyper-steroid made from Old Blood like Bane's Venom tanks in Batman. I could make an additional weapon for the final "legion choices" slot, God knows what though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324559-the-berserkers-of-uran-a-thread-from-the-past/page/6/#findComment-4565578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 (edited) For the later berserkers a drug won during the blood crusade would be cool. New Blood for the Old Blood^^ The whole bloodshed committed.during the blood crusade by the hands.of the berserkers.of uran concentrated in one pill, infused with khornes power and the bodies of billion dead people give ws+1, + 2 S + 1 A, but it could lead to a berserker insanity. If a t-2 test is failed the char using that relic attacks the closest unit even if it is a friend ( some kind of artificial Khârn^^) Edited November 18, 2016 by MikhalLeNoir Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324559-the-berserkers-of-uran-a-thread-from-the-past/page/6/#findComment-4565587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grifftofer Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 I think that a sort of 'supercharger' relic might make for an interesting theme. Perhaps even a single use item that boosts prowess for one pivotal combst phase, but then has negative after effects? It would then be a case of picking just the right time to use it. As for your final slot I have to say I feel like it should be another unit, because it feels to me as if the Berserkers place more emphasis on boys than on toys. I'm not 100% on what it could be though. Perhaps ones who are more capable of seeing an enemy's weaknesses than most, or ones who focus on putting down the enemy in the most brutal and efficient ways possible? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324559-the-berserkers-of-uran-a-thread-from-the-past/page/6/#findComment-4565682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted November 18, 2016 Author Share Posted November 18, 2016 I could make Blood Boilers an actual thing. Another idea I had (because I want the models) would be some kind of Ogryn-based unit. Inductees enhanced/royally screwed with by the Legion apothecarion to make total monstrosities even prior to Old Blood. Although I worry that I'm making too many beatsticks and beasts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324559-the-berserkers-of-uran-a-thread-from-the-past/page/6/#findComment-4565693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 (edited) So, would We Go Further just not be useful for the amount of points it'd cost? At least for fluff, I'm picturing the Blood Boilers as essentially having all the units that most Chapters/insert formation here boast, but being able to equip them with Destroyer weaponry. I think we need units that'll highlight the tactical sense of the Berserkers Edited November 18, 2016 by bluntblade Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324559-the-berserkers-of-uran-a-thread-from-the-past/page/6/#findComment-4565695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grifftofer Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 Yeah. I'd probably steer clear of any more Old Blood related units as you've already got 2 units with that background, I feel another unit of 'regular' astartes would be a better fit. I did think that a unit that brutally maims their enemies and then holds them up to terrify whoever is left would fit right in. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324559-the-berserkers-of-uran-a-thread-from-the-past/page/6/#findComment-4565702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted November 18, 2016 Author Share Posted November 18, 2016 Flail-wielding terminators maybe? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324559-the-berserkers-of-uran-a-thread-from-the-past/page/6/#findComment-4565707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 If they successfully wipe out a squad they cause Fear on ana adjacent unit, maybe? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324559-the-berserkers-of-uran-a-thread-from-the-past/page/6/#findComment-4565708 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted November 18, 2016 Author Share Posted November 18, 2016 Or a pinning check mayhaps? Yet another idea could be a unique dreadnought talon. Again, mainly based off things I like buying rather than a real gap-filler, but still. Flaily dreadnoughts. Fenbain 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324559-the-berserkers-of-uran-a-thread-from-the-past/page/6/#findComment-4565715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grifftofer Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 Yeah. I was thinking some kind of two-handed weapon, flails would be cool. Fear is a nice mechanic, but tricky to implement out of combat in that way. Perhaps they could get some kind of combat resolution bonus for killing enemies in a challenge? Or impose a negative modifier to fear checks they cause next round? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324559-the-berserkers-of-uran-a-thread-from-the-past/page/6/#findComment-4565716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 The latter sounds good Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324559-the-berserkers-of-uran-a-thread-from-the-past/page/6/#findComment-4565728 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted November 19, 2016 Author Share Posted November 19, 2016 Thought for "We Go Further" - give the compulsory Destroyers and Moritat the statlines of veterans and a Praetor, respectively? Would emphasise their more elite standing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324559-the-berserkers-of-uran-a-thread-from-the-past/page/6/#findComment-4566313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted November 20, 2016 Author Share Posted November 20, 2016 Updated the front page with a draft for Riktus, post-Blooding. I know he's horrifically killy, near-Primarch levels, but I'm aiming high first at the minute. I'll draft out some versions of the Terminator unit tonight. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/324559-the-berserkers-of-uran-a-thread-from-the-past/page/6/#findComment-4566858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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