SanguinaryGuardsman Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Fine work on those Assault Marines. How will you decorate their bases? You misspelled Assault Marines. The correct spelling is Vanguard Veterans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted January 30, 2020 Author Share Posted January 30, 2020 Dracos you missed it :tu: Thanks Hiroitchi main goal is go have some fun roll some dice at least try to win a game or two :lol: Mind posting your full list you intend to take?It's the same list I've been working towards since late August but still haven't tested. It is ++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Space Marines) ++ + No Force Org Slot + **Chapter Selection**: Raven Guard + HQ + Kayvaan Shrike + Elites + Aggressor Squad: 4x Aggressor, Aggressor Sergeant Auto Boltstorm Gauntlets/Fragstorm Grenade Launcher Invictor Tactical Warsuit: Fragstorm Grenade Launcher, Heavy bolter, Incendium cannon, 2x Ironhail Heavy Stubber Invictor Tactical Warsuit: Fragstorm Grenade Launcher, Heavy bolter, Incendium cannon, 2x Ironhail Heavy Stubber Reiver Squad: Bolt Carbine, Grapnel Launcher, Grav Chutes 4x Reiver Reiver Sergeant Bolt Carbine/Heavy Bolt Pistol Vanguard Veteran Squad: Jump Pack Space Marine Veteran: 2x Lightning Claw Space Marine Veteran: Power sword, Storm shield Space Marine Veteran: Bolt pistol, Power fist Space Marine Veteran: 2x Lightning Claw Space Marine Veteran: Power sword, Storm shield Veteran Sergeant: Storm shield, Thunder hammer + Heavy Support + Eliminator Squad Eliminator Sergeant: Bolt sniper rifle, Camo cloak 2x Eliminator with Bolt Sniper: 2x Bolt sniper rifle, 2x Camo cloak Eliminator Squad Eliminator Sergeant: Camo cloak, Las Fusil Eliminator with Las Fusil: Camo cloak, Las Fusil Eliminator with Las Fusil: Camo cloak, Las Fusil ++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Space Marines) ++ + No Force Org Slot + **Chapter Selection**: Raven Guard + HQ + Captain: Power sword, Storm bolter Primaris Lieutenants Primaris Lieutenant: Master-crafted stalker bolt rifle + Troops + Scout Squad Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Boltgun 4x Scout w/Boltgun Scout Squad Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Combat knife 4x Scout w/Combat Knife Scout Squad Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Sniper rifle 4x Scout w/Sniper Rifle: 4x Sniper rifle + Heavy Support + Devastator Squad Space Marine Sergeant: Boltgun Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Lascannon Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Lascannon Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Lascannon Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Lascannon Hellblaster Squad: Plasma incinerator 4x Hellblaster Hellblaster Sergeant: Bolt pistol Repulsor Executioner: 2x Fragstorm Grenade Launcher, Heavy Laser Destroyer, Heavy Onslaught Gatling Cannon, 2x Storm bolter, Twin Heavy Bolter, Twin Icarus Ironhail Heavy Stubber Definitely Vanguard Vets, I do want to make a list for my ASMs at some point though Bjorn. As for basing given tight deadline these will be done with just astrogranite. If I like the list I plan to go back finish up the shortcuts I took and put them on the new resin bases like my Elimators are on. Dracos 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewarriorhunter Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Your VV look really good with lots of nice contrast. duz_ 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted January 31, 2020 Author Share Posted January 31, 2020 Thx TWH Black and white with a dash or red never hurts :tu: Browsing through our supplement more and the SM book finding interesting combos for my list. (FYI I built this list just based on raw unit ability and personal preference. All the stratagems are just gravy and increase there potential significantly!) Couple of things of note I'm considering using MoA on my aggressors get them up nice and personal While the pre game scout move for my VVs seems pretty handy especially if I can advance them into cover. Then in the following phase use the advance and charge strat with the +1 bonus. Id drop Shrike in from DS behind them to help with any subsequent charge. Side note I might also use that strat in Shrike if the VVs are within 9" and he just dropped in as its activated in the charge phase :D Downside is my carbine Reivers with grav chutes seem kinda outta place? I guess I'll hold them back until 3rd turn to apply some mid game pressure to a crumbling flank. This list could be kinda scary if I get first turn :o Shadow Captain Vyper 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Captain Vyper Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Looks like you've got some great ideas! Don't forget that the Raven's Blade strat (or whatever its called, the re-roll charges) works on all units against one enemy unit. So in cases where you have a MoA unit of Aggressors up in their grill, and Infiltrators pre-move the VVs up alongside them, you can then tap into the Litany that gives +2 to charges for an effective +3, and you can then ship in both the VVs and Aggressors (This is of course assuming map/deployment where you can get an effective alpha strike). Aggressors clear a big-bada-boom hole in the chaff and then go lumbering in alongside the Chaplain and VVs, and all 3 units get to re-roll charges and get +3 to the roll. I think you got the right idea on the Carbine Reivers. You in essence have recapped the issue with them - what do they do? Best case scenario is the shoot up some backfield objective camper and take their objective from them - or shoot some infantry and then charge some artillery piece to give it the bad touch juju. duz_ 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted February 1, 2020 Author Share Posted February 1, 2020 Ah yes that's correct the Aggressors can definitely benefit from that as the VVs will have Shrikes bonus. The Reivers too if they're in support of Aggressors. Unfortunately I don't have space for a chappy so litanies for me in this list. Although I guess in future I could drop the Reivers for an Ancient and libby? Pre new books the carbine guys seemed like a good option. I also thought they could benefit from the auto hit strat too but I was wrong. Unfortunately too late to paint up the CC ones now or anything else. Let's see how they go. Ap-1 will still help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted February 1, 2020 Author Share Posted February 1, 2020 Had a quick play this morning I could drop the Reivers for a jump pack chappy and upgrade one of the sword and board VVs to a thunder hammer. However I might keep it as is for now I think the counter assault / objective grabbing Reivers might have more utility instead of going all in on my VVs. I pulled out the models for my list last night too and realised this might actually be a lot nastier than I realised :lol: :sweat: Also in the process I found the missing bolter scout squad I thought I had but couldn't find the unassembled models for (since I had already built and primed them...). So the single ebay purchase I made was somewhat redundant :facepalm: Shadow Captain Vyper 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Captain Vyper Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 Ah yes, buying models you thought you had but can't find, only to find them later and have duplicates. Yea...that has never happened to me...ever....yup. duz_ 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shas Oh Dear Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Just a heads up duz, looking at that list I think you have one more heavy support choice than you're allowed. Only get 1 in a vanguard detachment and you have used your 3 from the battalion too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted February 2, 2020 Author Share Posted February 2, 2020 Should be good Battlescribe isn't flagging it and just checked you get 2 of each specialist role and 3 troops in vanguard (and for all the others detachments) Thanks for making me double check to make sure it's legit though :tu: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shas Oh Dear Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Wow my bad, that's good to know for me too. Certainly opens up some options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted February 3, 2020 Author Share Posted February 3, 2020 Well started work highlighting my warsuit tonight and as I was comparing it to my first one I realised that yet again I think i used the wrong grey :facepalm: <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewarriorhunter Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Not sure what mobile OS you're on but I found this app a couple years ago and love it: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.courageousoctopus.paintrack It's basically a digital recipe log for paints. You can also inventory all your paints and search by what you have. I do have the paid version and I'm not sure what the difference are but I believe the free version is still very robust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted February 3, 2020 Author Share Posted February 3, 2020 I have that app too... :ermm: I should start using it I guess! :lol: Thanks TWH thewarriorhunter 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claws and Effect Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) you can then tap into the Litany that gives +2 to charges for an effective +3 Aggressors clear a big-bada-boom hole in the chaff and then go lumbering in alongside the Chaplain and VVs, and all 3 units get to re-roll charges and get +3 to the roll. This isn't legal. The Canticle of Hate specifically states that it doesn't stack with any other charge roll bonus. +2 is the most you can get. A rare example of GW spotting an exploitable rule. If it did stack you could get +4 to charge rolls if you played Raptors with Hungry for Battle and Lias Issodon. Blood Angels could get +5 if it stacked with Quickening. Edited February 3, 2020 by Claws and Effect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Captain Vyper Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 you can then tap into the Litany that gives +2 to charges for an effective +3 Aggressors clear a big-bada-boom hole in the chaff and then go lumbering in alongside the Chaplain and VVs, and all 3 units get to re-roll charges and get +3 to the roll. This isn't legal. The Canticle of Hate specifically states that it doesn't stack with any other charge roll bonus. +2 is the most you can get. A rare example of GW spotting an exploitable rule. If it did stack you could get +4 to charge rolls if you played Raptors with Hungry for Battle and Lias Issodon. Blood Angels could get +5 if it stacked with Quickening. Good catch. Not only was I wrong, I completely mixed up my strats (Raven's Blade and Strike From the Skies) into one - oops. I always just use Catechism of Fire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguinaryGuardsman Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 you can then tap into the Litany that gives +2 to charges for an effective +3 Aggressors clear a big-bada-boom hole in the chaff and then go lumbering in alongside the Chaplain and VVs, and all 3 units get to re-roll charges and get +3 to the roll. This isn't legal. The Canticle of Hate specifically states that it doesn't stack with any other charge roll bonus. +2 is the most you can get. A rare example of GW spotting an exploitable rule. If it did stack you could get +4 to charge rolls if you played Raptors with Hungry for Battle and Lias Issodon. Blood Angels could get +5 if it stacked with Quickening. GW is only thorough with rules when it limits close combat. If it is for shooting you can stack rules on top of rules like a Russian doll. Shadow Captain Vyper 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted February 4, 2020 Author Share Posted February 4, 2020 Apparently the difference between the free and paid version is how many recipes you can save and a wishlist function So after the minor set back yesterday got the warsuit highlighted enough for TT standard Down to 2 scouts left now and the event is next weekend :tu: thewarriorhunter, SanguinaryGuardsman, Dracos and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 Yay last models painted! Basing as commenced! Next shot should be the family one :tu: Dracos 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguinaryGuardsman Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Not Primaris? You sicko. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiroitchi Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Best of luck Duz. What kind of theme are you going to use of basing?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted February 8, 2020 Author Share Posted February 8, 2020 For expediency: astrogranite Which is my current method for basing But I might have something special in store for Shrike and the Aggressors ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted February 9, 2020 Author Share Posted February 9, 2020 Well I thought I had finally finished my army so I took some family pictures. However I failed to think about how my camouflaged army does in its natural environment... So excuse the potato cam photos :ermm: As you may have noticed I over looked the Lts base before the shoot... So I took care of him afterwards ;) Funnily enough that wasn't the only thing I forgot. When I was packing everything away for the evening I noticed I had forgotten my all stairs! My carbine Reivers! :lol: So they're not in the t pictures nor were they based. They will be by the end of the weekend though Might even get a practice game in before the event :o Dracos and thewarriorhunter 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted February 10, 2020 Author Share Posted February 10, 2020 Ummm... So had a practice game against bugs this afternoon Learnt a lot about my list (or more a lot of what I didn't know :sweat: ) But also learnt assault Doctrine also applies to Marines without an actual close combat weapon, what!? :o thewarriorhunter 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 I haven't slipped passed the Tactical Doctrine yet, but yeah totally looking forward to getting to a point I want my Aggressors and Centurions in the Assault Doctrine punching out tanks like the Hulk Buster. How were the Nids? Aggressors are the perfect counter to them with Long Range Marksmen imo. Have I mentioned I'm a fan of Aggressors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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