Slips Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Yep. So you can have the Super Death Lazer AND Bolt Cannon. BLACK BLΠFLY and wildweasel 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildweasel Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) EDIT: so the unit entry that says "may upgrade its bolt cannon with" should read "may also take"? Edited February 7, 2017 by wildweasel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellex_The_Thanatar Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Can anyone else help me collect some faq/errata? So far I have: What is the profile of the misercordia? Do the agamatus jetbikes replace their bolt cannons or add the additional weapons? Should the agamatus ilastrus bolt cannon be replaced by lastrum bolt cannon? What counts as a legio custodes unit for the purpose of Valdors warlord trait? Is it Only units with the legio custodes special rule? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nusquam Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 The Misercordia is probably what their power daggers got renamed to so you wouldn't confuse them with the AL power dagger. It's a play off the Misericorde. The one in the ram is a metaphor, this one might be literal. As for the jetbike, it's a brand new way of taking gear. I don't recall any other instance of upgrading a gun with a gun. But the custodes have a heavy theme of combining weapons together, melee and shooting, shooting and shooting. Plus the rule saying they can fire all their weapons. It looks like two gun jetbikes are in. With Valdor, would the rule not have to say "with the Legio Custodes special rule" to keep dread out and explicitly allow a unit with that rule to qualify for it? Right now it's just a Legion Custode Unit, which doesn't mean a unit with the legio custodes rule. Just like a Legiones Astartes unit doesn't mean "a unit with the Legiones Astartes rule". Every other example of where that rule is required will actually say it needs a unit with the rule specifically. An example from Inferno itself is Ahrimanl:his warlord trait rule explicitly requires a unit with the "Legiones Astartes (Thousand Sons) special rule" to qualify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphariusOmegon108 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 So what are your guys best scourse of anti tank? 5 aquillon terminators with their powerfists (S10 ap1 of hate) and about 4-5 attacks on the charge seem veryyyy good to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted February 7, 2017 Author Share Posted February 7, 2017 Okay so obviously custodes can take a LoW choice of any random tanks not represented in other army lists, or some Knights etc... What do we think is best? I would suppose heavy duty, long range firepower for tanks maybe? The Storm Lord party bus with firepike TDA is tempting, but I don't think there is a bigger set of eggs to put in that basket :D! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabidbunneh Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Hellex, could you add on the Arae Shrike problem? Do multiple Shrikes stack when it comes to forcing deep strikes mishaps? The wording seems to suggest they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 For 2 (two!) points each? I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperors Teeth Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 One look at the model should resolve this jetbike issue. it's clearly replacing the bolt cannon: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154819024635168&set=a.10154819021125168.1073741844.516110167&type=3&theater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nusquam Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 One of them is missing a weapon entirely. Those are WIPs, we can't judge anything from them. If it isn't resolved by release we might be able to glean something then. BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 I believe they were given the "Sweeping Fire" rule to future-proof them, or so I heard mentioned in one of the news threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperors Teeth Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 One of them is missing a weapon entirely. Those are WIPs, we can't judge anything from them. If it isn't resolved by release we might be able to glean something then. The one 'missing a weapon' is the one with the bolt cannon. I neglected to take a clearer picture of it, but there is definitely a bolt cannon in there. If they're WIPS, why did they start painting them? https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154819024450168&set=a.10154819021125168.1073741844.516110167&type=3&theater My biggest rules query is why the Guardian Spear isn't listed as 'Two-handed', when it almost certainly should be, given the Praesidium Shield prevents using two-handed weapons with it. Currently you can give a Tribune a Paragon Spear and Shield, and I really think this is probably not meant to be possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted February 7, 2017 Author Share Posted February 7, 2017 I think the whole point is that they AREN'T two handed. As Custodes are so strong they make a variety of sweeping strikes and cuts with one or both hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TompiQ Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 The praesidium shield specifically calls out two-handed weapons AND alters the guardian spears (no charge bonus). So it seems quite intentional that they are specialist and not 2h. Hellex_The_Thanatar 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperors Teeth Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) Ah sweet. I'd somehow totally missed the bit about the Guardian Spear at the end of the Shield rules. Tribune with Paragon Spear, Shield & Cyber-familiar (creepy cherubim!) here I come! Edited February 7, 2017 by Emperors Teeth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabidbunneh Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 You say about the cherub, that what I've done with mine. https://imgur.com/gallery/CPutN nightwrench 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightwrench Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 @Hellex Can we also find out if the Contemptor-Achillus Dreadspear is a rule as written or as intended; "On the turn in which the model charges, any to hit roll of a 6 in assault means its attacks are resolved as Destroyer hits" I have read this as I get a 6 eat 5 D attacks, assuming they all hit. My friends in the gaming group of course have said that is not what was intended and it is only those hits of a 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightwrench Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Has anyone thought about taking Hetaeron Guard with 3 Solerite Power Gauntlets and one with a shield? I was thinking these 14 str 10 AP 1 attacks would be a great way to deal with knights or other GMC. Attacks directed at the squad are at -1 to hit. They are hitting on 3's (most things in the game). This assumes the Misericordia is not a specialist weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted February 7, 2017 Author Share Posted February 7, 2017 @Hellex Can we also find out if the Contemptor-Achillus Dreadspear is a rule as written or as intended; "On the turn in which the model charges, any to hit roll of a 6 in assault means its attacks are resolved as Destroyer hits" I have read this as I get a 6 eat 5 D attacks, assuming they all hit. My friends in the gaming group of course have said that is not what was intended and it is only those hits of a 6. Rules as written, on a single 6 it is 5 D attacks, they can dispute it all they want but the words are on the page. Has anyone thought about taking Hetaeron Guard with 3 Solerite Power Gauntlets and one with a shield? I was thinking these 14 str 10 AP 1 attacks would be a great way to deal with knights or other GMC. Attacks directed at the squad are at -1 to hit. They are hitting on 3's (most things in the game). This assumes the Misericordia is not a specialist weapon. Sounds good! The Hetaeron are sick and can murder most anything. Okay so obviously custodes can take a LoW choice of any random tanks not represented in other army lists, or some Knights etc... What do we think is best? I would suppose heavy duty, long range firepower for tanks maybe? The Storm Lord party bus with firepike TDA is tempting, but I don't think there is a bigger set of eggs to put in that basket ! Quoting myself to signal boost...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TompiQ Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Speaking of rules as written, jetbikes. We've seen the models, and it seems quite clear from them that a weapon upgrade replaces the bolter cannon. HOWEVER, RaW you get to upgrade the whole squad for 5/25 points, similar to LA veterans getting Melta Bombs for 25pts no matter the number of vets. 505 points gets us 6 jetbikes with melta bombs and twin-linked corvae las-pulsers. Only having a power lance is a real bummer, however their shooting output is 6d3 TL BS5 S9ap2 at 36" meaning they should be able to handle anything at range with melee being a solid option vs fodder (split fire means you can fire one bike into the unit you want to charge and the rest into another target). In melee they get 4 attacks each, assuming the misericordia is a standard CCW. S6ap3 on the charge, I5 vs WS5 or below. Most things should break on the charge, but don't get bogged down in fearless PA blobs as you'll be ap4 after the charge... I've changed my mind, my core is denifitely going to be 3x6 jetbikes w. melta bombs and las-pulsers, together with 3 caladius grav-tanks. I can fit that, Valdor and 6x3 Custodian Guard with Melta Bombs and Arae-Shrikes in at 3500 points. nightwrench 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted February 7, 2017 Author Share Posted February 7, 2017 Speaking of rules as written, jetbikes. We've seen the models, and it seems quite clear from them that a weapon upgrade replaces the bolter cannon. HOWEVER, RaW you get to upgrade the whole squad for 5/25 points, similar to LA veterans getting Melta Bombs for 25pts no matter the number of vets. Clear, in your opinion. The model doesn't really indicate that it couldn't be given an extra weapon and the rules certainly imply the bolt cannon having an under/over slung attachment weapon, plus the cost of 25 points (!?!?) to replace to a Las thing is kinda crazy if you don't keep your current... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellex_The_Thanatar Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) Can anyone else help me collect some faq/errata? So far I have: What is the profile of the misercordia? Do the agamatus jetbikes replace their bolt cannons or add the additional weapons? Should the agamatus ilastrus bolt cannon be replaced by lastrum bolt cannon? Does the entire squadron of agamatus upgrade their guns for same cost? Or is it on par model in unit basis? The wording states squadron What counts as a legio custodes unit for the purpose of Valdors warlord trait? Is it Only units with the legio custodes special rule? Do multiple Shrikes stack when it comes to forcing deep strikes mishaps? Does the achillius dread count all of its attacks at strD should any one of the to-hit rolls be a 6? Or only the hits that roll with a to-hit of 6? Edited February 7, 2017 by Hellex_The_Thanatar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightwrench Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Speaking of rules as written, jetbikes. We've seen the models, and it seems quite clear from them that a weapon upgrade replaces the bolter cannon. HOWEVER, RaW you get to upgrade the whole squad for 5/25 points, similar to LA veterans getting Melta Bombs for 25pts no matter the number of vets. 505 points gets us 6 jetbikes with melta bombs and twin-linked corvae las-pulsers. Only having a power lance is a real bummer, however their shooting output is 6d3 TL BS5 S9ap2 at 36" meaning they should be able to handle anything at range with melee being a solid option vs fodder (split fire means you can fire one bike into the unit you want to charge and the rest into another target). In melee they get 4 attacks each, assuming the misericordia is a standard CCW. S6ap3 on the charge, I5 vs WS5 or below. Most things should break on the charge, but don't get bogged down in fearless PA blobs as you'll be ap4 after the charge... I've changed my mind, my core is denifitely going to be 3x6 jetbikes w. melta bombs and las-pulsers, together with 3 caladius grav-tanks. I can fit that, Valdor and 6x3 Custodian Guard with Melta Bombs and Arae-Shrikes in at 3500 points. I really like that list. Valdor is such a force multiplier with the teleportation option. The jetbikes and tanks should be resilient enough to stay alive as the squads deep strike. Biggest concern is the jetbike cost. Legion scimitar bikes are 28 pounds each. That is roughly $35 US. I am guessing these will be at least 35 pounds a piece. I really want some jetbikes for Adepticon in April. FW needs to put them up for sale already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TompiQ Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Speaking of rules as written, jetbikes. We've seen the models, and it seems quite clear from them that a weapon upgrade replaces the bolter cannon. HOWEVER, RaW you get to upgrade the whole squad for 5/25 points, similar to LA veterans getting Melta Bombs for 25pts no matter the number of vets. Clear, in your opinion. The model doesn't really indicate that it couldn't be given an extra weapon and the rules certainly imply the bolt cannon having an under/over slung attachment weapon, plus the cost of 25 points (!?!?) to replace to a Las thing is kinda crazy if you don't keep your current... Well, there's a picture of the actual models with each weapon option literally on display, and they all occupy the same slot on the bike. However, you're missing my second point. Re-read the rules for them. Any SQUADRON may upgrade its weapons for 5/25pts. RAW you pay 25 points in total, and your 3-6 jetbikes get las-pulsers. Thus I'm fine giving up the dual weapons. Still, wish they had guardian spears... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabidbunneh Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 The list seems littered with so many mistakes and ambiguities at the moment, it's a bit disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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