Talonair Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 (edited) How much independence? And I think Gwal has taken the hit. Then again, he does form something with the Abyssii, so it kinda works out. In practice I don't think it will lead to much, but at least on paper if the Mechanicum never becomes the Adeptus Mechanicus, then that means they remain an allied empire as opposed to an Imperial Adeptus, meaning that they'd only be bound by the original Treaty of Olympus Mons, that being to supply the Imperium in exchange for keeping independence and sovreignity. Essentially, the Imperium would have even less control of the Mechanicum if they never become the Adeptus Mechanicus, but keeping them separate means in return the Mechanicum has less influence on actual Imperial policy (beyond 'Do this or we withhold the shiny things') I wonder if we could do something more with that, then. If Gwal takes the hit, then forge worlds would be, naturally, embittered towards him and less willing to provide aid, which the Abyssii could use to their advantage, using the relationship that formed during the first contact crisis as an excuse to supply Gwal in light of other forges failing to perhaps? Hmmm simple work around. Graviton warheads. Crush targets under their own weight. I quite like this, makes the actual tech part of the Ordinatus feel more specialised as opposed to just 'giant cannon' Edited October 25, 2017 by Talonair Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/98/#findComment-4916736 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 (edited) How much independence? And I think Gwal has taken the hit. Then again, he does form something with the Abyssii, so it kinda works out. In practice I don't think it will lead to much, but at least on paper if the Mechanicum never becomes the Adeptus Mechanicus, then that means they remain an allied empire as opposed to an Imperial Adeptus, meaning that they'd only be bound by the original Treaty of Olympus Mons, that being to supply the Imperium in exchange for keeping independence and sovreignity. Essentially, the Imperium would have even less control of the Mechanicum if they never become the Adeptus Mechanicus, but keeping them separate means in return the Mechanicum has less influence on actual Imperial policy (beyond 'Do this or we withhold the shiny things') I wonder if we could do something more with that, then. If Gwal takes the hit, then forge worlds would be, naturally, embittered towards him and less willing to provide aid, which the Abyssii could use to their advantage, using the relationship that formed during the first contact crisis as an excuse to supply Gwal in light of other forges failing to perhaps? It is an interesting path to take Edited October 25, 2017 by MikhalLeNoir Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/98/#findComment-4916804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 I like it. It helps chart out what was happening to the Wardens of Light during the Great Crusade. It gives Mortera another level of influence, further helping her take power later. And it helps differentiate between Primarchs when it comes to politics. It's not just the morally questionable Primarchs who are causing issues. Talonair 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/98/#findComment-4916939 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talonair Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 I've just had a thought for a way to flesh out the Blackshield forces if we so desired; We could create a thread where people post their ideas for BotL-verse Legions that didn't quite cut it, or we didn't have room for. If there are any ideas that might work as Blackshields, we can expand them. Thoughts? Big Bad Squig and bluntblade 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/98/#findComment-4917471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 I like that idea blunt. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/98/#findComment-4918164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted October 26, 2017 Author Share Posted October 26, 2017 That's Tal, not me Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/98/#findComment-4918172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Lol. How did I miss that^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/98/#findComment-4918489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 I have become aware that Forgeworld is printing a Horus Heresy rulebook that will keep the game in 7th edition. As such, we too will not be making the jump to 8th edition at this time. Big Bad Squig and Talonair 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/98/#findComment-4919112 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted October 31, 2017 Author Share Posted October 31, 2017 Trial crunch for Empyon is in the Harbingers read, cc welcome Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/98/#findComment-4921370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talonair Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 So good news, once armies on parade is finished I should be able to get back to being more active here. First priority will be to finish building my Accipitrax (Sniper Thallax), then the Myrmdion Custos. Still grasping at straws on how to build the Mammothar. I've also decided on a colour scheme for the Abyssii Skitarii; blue and brass, with cream trim If people are interested I can share pictures of my armies on parade entry as well. It's got what my legion would have looked like, as well as some of their special units Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/98/#findComment-4921538 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted October 31, 2017 Author Share Posted October 31, 2017 In the wake of the First Solar War, the Loyalist Insurgos will have largely given way to warbands, some forming entities closer to the Shattered Legions. Now, with Aegar Vyrn anchoring these in the realm around Nox, what Legions will contribute bits? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/98/#findComment-4921542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted November 1, 2017 Author Share Posted November 1, 2017 Did we ever start work on Saturnine Terminator armour? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/98/#findComment-4922005 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Did we ever start work on Saturnine Terminator armour? You mean rulewise? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/98/#findComment-4922008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted November 1, 2017 Author Share Posted November 1, 2017 That and aesthetically. Extermination mentions the AL using five patterns on Paramar, interestingly enough. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/98/#findComment-4922079 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Not sure but I think that the void eagles have a special unit using saturnine. Thought it was the pattern with the veeeeery big shoulder pads Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/98/#findComment-4922155 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grifftofer Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Not sure but I think that the void eagles have a special unit using saturnine. Thought it was the pattern with the veeeeery big shoulder pads The Saturators I believe, they come with dual heavy weapons. Or at least they did when I last checked. And Saturnine is supposed to look something like this: http://pro.bols.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/blogger-image-1090197420.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/98/#findComment-4922195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted November 1, 2017 Author Share Posted November 1, 2017 We need Drak and/or Algrim to doodle one of them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/98/#findComment-4922220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 I just can't help the fact that I see those Saturators and have those guys in mind: Big, massive and tiny heads compared to the rest. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/98/#findComment-4922221 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted November 1, 2017 Author Share Posted November 1, 2017 (edited) What film is that? Btw, do we have any Legion specific patterns of armour, as opposed to variants? Seem to recall that Corinthian is a pattern in its own right, and GS Wraiths have theirs. Edited November 1, 2017 by bluntblade Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/98/#findComment-4922222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 That is the infamous Mario Bros. movie. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/98/#findComment-4922223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted November 1, 2017 Author Share Posted November 1, 2017 What, then, is that thing even meant to be? I remember Gompas, turtles, bobombs and aggy giant bolter rounds, but nothing like that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/98/#findComment-4922226 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Those....are supposed to be goombas. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/98/#findComment-4922230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talonair Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 What film is that? Btw, do we have any Legion specific patterns of armour, as opposed to variants? Seem to recall that Corinthian is a pattern in its own right, and GS Wraiths have theirs. Were you thinking rules-wise or just fluff-wise? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/98/#findComment-4922237 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted November 1, 2017 Author Share Posted November 1, 2017 Did they adapt it by Chinese Whispers? Both, Tal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/98/#findComment-4922238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talonair Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Hmm. Do the Drowned have any specific armour patterns? Because I can definately see that being part of the Abyssii reparations to the Drowned Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/98/#findComment-4922267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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