BitsHammer Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 We got new Marinesnbecause the Space Marine line has reached the point where the only way to go is up. Literally. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/46/#findComment-4759329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhorneHunter57x Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 The so-called Black Templar bears the Armageddon Crusade badge. I'm pretty sure there were no Primaris Marines at Armageddon. Therefore, it would be a logical assumption that the leftmost Primaris in the middle row is not truly a Templar, and is instead an Alpha Legion infiltrator. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/46/#findComment-4759345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 The so-called Black Templar bears the Armageddon Crusade badge.I'm pretty sure there were no Primaris Marines at Armageddon.Therefore, it would be a logical assumption that the leftmost Primaris in the middle row is not truly a Templar, and is instead an Alpha Legion infiltrator. Morelikely he is an "uplifited" Templar who is now a Primaris Templar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/46/#findComment-4759349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 If he does I,ll post them here. So with the edition changes I actually hope that we,ll get to pair Chainswords and Bolters since they seem like a strong match for thinning units before going full RIP AND TEAR on the ones that were unfortunate enough to survive being shot first. I wouldn't say confirmed, because that poster is just showing off how they look as they also said this. Here’s a page from the upcoming Warhammer 40,000 book, showing off not only how those new Primaris Space Marines look in the colours of some familiar Chapters, but also showing off few whole new ones: It's from the actual book, not some child's crayon coloring page. That's enough to count as "confirmed". Again not really. Read what they wrote "how those new Primaris Space Marines look in the colours of some familiar Chapters" They literally just picked some of the most popular chapters an did color schemes for them so players could see how they look. Doesn't mean that primaris are being forced into the Templars. It might turn out that way but as of now a poster is not enough to confirm that is all I'm saying. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/46/#findComment-4759365 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 ??? It is already confirmed. I dont know which guy, but it was a stuff-member of GW who already said BT get a own Crusade with Primaris... (at first there was the question which chapters get the new Primarines and the GW-guy said most chapters - especially they had been in Gathering storm ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/46/#findComment-4759430 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Burying your head in the sand isn,t the way of a Templar. Accept the burden no matter how great, rise above it and win in the name of Sigismund and the Emperor. And by burden I mean just accept that we've have Primaris marines forced into the chapter, as has pretty much EVERY chapter (starting with the ones who took large numbers of casualties recently, which includes the Templars who lost an entire Crusade) according today's community post. So we have Primaris in our chapter. Let's just be happy they didn't give us any witches. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/46/#findComment-4759465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Krieg Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 ??? It is already confirmed. I dont know which guy, but it was a stuff-member of GW who already said BT get a own Crusade with Primaris... (at first there was the question which chapters get the new Primarines and the GW-guy said most chapters - especially they had been in Gathering storm ) Duncan, the painter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/46/#findComment-4759493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Krieg Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Apparently, because of ATSKNF being just a reroll to Morale, 8ed means we will run away like lesser chapters when we take losses :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/46/#findComment-4759649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Doren Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 So we have Primaris in our chapter. Let's just be happy they didn't give us any witches. Shhh, there's Chaplains present. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/46/#findComment-4759658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Krieg Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 And since Morale affects larger units more readily, a 20-man Crusader Squad might not be viable at Ld 8 of an Initiate, while greenskins will have Ld20 at that model count.I really hope BT Chapter Tactics alleviate this somehow. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/46/#findComment-4759660 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Sword Brethren will likely be Ld9. But depending on wording that might limit us to 9 Neophytes max. LRCs are still looking to be our best horde unit option. Sure they're still super expensive, but they're basically tougher than before and rock a 2+ armour save. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/46/#findComment-4759686 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Christopher Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 For your convenience: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/gallery/album/13178-8th-edition-ba-and-sm-relevent-leaksdatasheets/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/46/#findComment-4759706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydonianDragoon404 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Hmmmm very interesting, person who leaked these is obviously a Blood Angel player. Good stuff though. I've been curious about the stats on the Thunderfire cannon for a while now, and I find it has been nerfed IMO. Heavy 4D3, Strength 5, Damage 1, no AP modifier. I would have thought it would have been at least AP -1. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/46/#findComment-4759805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
d3m01iti0n Posted May 29, 2017 Author Share Posted May 29, 2017 Were gonna see BT rules any day now. I see our character points are up. I don't have an hold dex near me but we're priced low to mid 100s. EC was 108 I think. With everybody rolled into SM, if we get similar treatment to the BA leak it sounds fair. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/46/#findComment-4759823 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhorneHunter57x Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Were gonna see BT rules any day now. I see our character points are up. I don't have an hold dex near me but we're priced low to mid 100s. EC was 108 I think. Helbrecht is more expensive than any other, save the big two Ultramarines (and is tied with Pedro Kantor), which I find a little surprising. I take it that being 40 points more than a filthy witch and 20pts more than Darnath Lysander will be a good thing for the High Marshal. EDIT: Also, it looks like GW finally realized what Grimaldus' baggage Cenobytes are worth...2pts each. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/46/#findComment-4759843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Christopher Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Yeah, I've noticed that about our High Marshal as well. Interesting how his rules will turn out. I don't expect much changes, but the Blade of the High Marshals should be deadly. What is probably most shocking to me is the increase in costs of regular transport vehicles, Rhinos for 70 points and Drop Pods for 100 seems like an enormous departure from their regular prices. They'd better be worth it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/46/#findComment-4759855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
balordazul Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Where are we seeing BT details? Never mind found it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/46/#findComment-4759899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Doren Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 my mistake Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/46/#findComment-4759980 Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmapa Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Yeah, I've noticed that about our High Marshal as well. Interesting how his rules will turn out. I don't expect much changes, but the Blade of the High Marshals should be deadly. What is probably most shocking to me is the increase in costs of regular transport vehicles, Rhinos for 70 points and Drop Pods for 100 seems like an enormous departure from their regular prices. They'd better be worth it. From what we know about transports I'd say those prices are perfectly fine, Rhinos are now tougher and you can assault out of them, same goes for the Drop Pod now that you can assault from deep strike and it doesnt scatter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/46/#findComment-4760003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Everyone notice that Twin assault cannons are Heavy 12? Though I'm concerned about some of these points, like for example do vehicles have to pay for their standard weapons? or only additional options? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/46/#findComment-4760009 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Christopher Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Another worrying thing a member noticed is that it appears that one needs to buy the basic loadout for vehicles. If this is true, well the price of a LRC with it's awesome TL assault cannon goes up a lot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/46/#findComment-4760016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewChristlieb Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 314 for a bread and butter lrc if we need to buy weapons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/46/#findComment-4760022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
balordazul Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 It is costly but S6 -1AP D1 .... no rend? I'm not really sure what to think about the assault cannon now. 314 for a bread and butter lrc if we need to buy weapons. I believe we do need to buy the weapons. ------ So everything I'm seeing they are trying to be smarter about points but some of the values are getting much higher. Will we be seeing 2500 or 2250 be to new standard because of point inflation in some areas. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/46/#findComment-4760025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 It is costly but S6 -1AP D1 .... no rend? I'm not really sure what to think about the assault cannon now. 314 for a bread and butter lrc if we need to buy weapons. I believe we do need to buy the weapons. It does have 3x the number of shots as before though. I really hope we don't have to buy weapons because that's pretty absurd for LR's. The Phobos pattern is well over 300 points. LR's were pushing it at mid 200's even with the big buffs they got in 8th Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/46/#findComment-4760035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
balordazul Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 It looks you will need to buy all the wargear. They have a statement right under the listing of "Points per model" is listed (Does not include wargear.) The only time this seems to be not the case is for named characters. Crusader's are 13 and 11 pts for Neophytes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330588-8th-edition-zeal-rising/page/46/#findComment-4760043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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