Excessus Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Smite deals damage to the closest enemy within 18"? As an Alpha Legion player I'll be bringing my cultists as usual to be in the way of everything... :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332739-8th-edition-rumours/page/9/#findComment-4724209 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Abaia Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Well I guess Aspiring Sorcerers will be a pretty solid addition to their squad and less of a tax. I wonder if rather than there being a separate lore for CSM, daemons, TS, and DG they might just make a lore for each* god. *Replace Khorne with an Undivided lore. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332739-8th-edition-rumours/page/9/#findComment-4724213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I got a psychic lore for ya. It's called chainaxe. Hold on to your skulls, witches! :P I really hope that electro-displacement or whatever the cover moving/unit swapping power is goes away, along with invisibility. I'm also hoping there's still some sort of Cyclopia Cabal to represent the sorcerers of the Black Legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332739-8th-edition-rumours/page/9/#findComment-4724221 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scammel Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I have a sneaking suspicion that many formations will disappear. I guess we'll be looking at a handful for CSM, DG and TS each, but little in the way of other Legions, for now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332739-8th-edition-rumours/page/9/#findComment-4724234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Well, instead of formations I suspect they'll bring out FoCs for the factions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332739-8th-edition-rumours/page/9/#findComment-4724237 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnightmare Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I got a psychic lore for ya. It's called chainaxe. Hold on to your skulls, witches! :P I really hope that electro-displacement or whatever the cover moving/unit swapping power is goes away, along with invisibility. I'm also hoping there's still some sort of Cyclopia Cabal to represent the sorcerers of the Black Legion. I am sure you are trying to hog all my 'likes' today :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332739-8th-edition-rumours/page/9/#findComment-4724249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven1 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Given the 10+ FOCs. I think detachments and formations are gone as we know them. However, custimization doesnt seem to be going anywhere. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332739-8th-edition-rumours/page/9/#findComment-4724425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Yeah, doesn't have to be a detachment/formation. I guess for CSM in general, to be able to continue taking a psyker-heavy list that isn't Thousand Sons. Sorcerers are a core HQ of the faction, so I doubt they're going anywhere. I'm curious what army-building will be like within the FOC. In AoS, it seems like you can take plenty of heroes if you want to. I generally enjoy a healthy dose of beatstick heroes, so I'd like to be able to do that, too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332739-8th-edition-rumours/page/9/#findComment-4724429 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 HQ=the leader dude 4 units of line troops. 2 units of cultists 2 units nurgle marines in rhinos. 3 dakka fiends 1 knight of the chaos nurgle version [important for army composition and command points]. 3 dreadnoughts. 2 flamer+ MM ones. 1 AC+flamer one. I would play something like this at 1850pts. No wait it requires to more line units, so cut one dakka fiend and the AC dread. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332739-8th-edition-rumours/page/9/#findComment-4724452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonoftherubric21 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 For anyone curious; after the rules have been out for a month or so give or take I will be doing another full faction write up for the Thousand sons, just as my Wrath of Magnus thread. ;-) Once I have a grasp on the new information of course and see what becomes of our tzaangors, Dust bunnies, and Ahriman / magnus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332739-8th-edition-rumours/page/9/#findComment-4724469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goreshed Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 Venomlust remember that there will be at least two, if not three, ways to play. One of them being flat out open. Which means take whatever you want really, it's an open style, Apoc on a smaller scale just as AoS allows you to. It will be an adjustment for all who have played 40k as for years we have been really forced to play within one 'rules set' and with this being opened up to encompass more that means a radical change. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332739-8th-edition-rumours/page/9/#findComment-4724700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 As a 30K player, the detachment varieties seem to basically be the idea introduction in Heresy games. It's absolutely fantastic Imo, and I'm really happy GW are creating these. Typically these force orgs have thematic specialisations and limitations, Eg: 5 Heavy Support but only 1 Fast Attack. The art of list building is back :-D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332739-8th-edition-rumours/page/9/#findComment-4724737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguecaster Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 As a 30K player, the detachment varieties seem to basically be the idea introduction in Heresy games. It's absolutely fantastic Imo, and I'm really happy GW are creating these. Typically these force orgs have thematic specialisations and limitations, Eg: 5 Heavy Support but only 1 Fast Attack. The art of list building is back :-D This makes me so happy :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332739-8th-edition-rumours/page/9/#findComment-4724746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zodd1888 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 For anyone curious; after the rules have been out for a month or so give or take I will be doing another full faction write up for the Thousand sons, just as my Wrath of Magnus thread. ;-) Once I have a grasp on the new information of course and see what becomes of our tzaangors, Dust bunnies, and Ahriman / magnus. This pleases me. You have vision like a corvidae. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332739-8th-edition-rumours/page/9/#findComment-4724765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeinox Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 I'll be updating my "Ahriman Tactica" on dakkadakka and will lend you some of my findings after the new stuff hits, SotR Since he's the only HQ i run Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332739-8th-edition-rumours/page/9/#findComment-4725399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamIsCollapsing Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 I think detachments and formations are gone as we know them. Nope. Formations and Decurion are still there, and will cost point as said is the live FAQ (i think). They also said that 5 books will be released, one of them for chaos "as for AoS". Don't know AoS but maybe this mean we will have Chaos Daemon with Chaos Space marine together, again, finally. Coz everyone speak of "pure faction detachment". But the correct term they used was "bonus for fluff detachment" and a EC + Slaanesh Daemon for exemple is typicall fluffy thing. So I'm hoping we gonna mix again with the warp. The "14 detachment" is great. It helps using some units forgotten by the Traitor's legion formations (aka bike, obliterators, tanks, all Forgeworld stuff) if you didnt want to take all the taxe (typically 1 Warpsmith and 2 other Obliterators if u want 1 unit of Oblit, or 1 HQ and 2 troops). Detachment "The Purge" was great for that, exept for non-Nurgle monotheist (like me) it was a great way to add some diversity to the Chaos Warband. Well know with all those detachment we will have all the choose me need (i hope) and rather than playing one same list, have multiples detachment to mix as will. Another thing : One twitter the developer said that "Cover save will be added to Armor Save". It's logic, it may be the great UP for melee units and a pretty bonus for Sonic weapon (if they still ignore cover). And I really want to know what the Mark of Slaanesh is going to be.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332739-8th-edition-rumours/page/9/#findComment-4725477 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 AoS works in Grand Alliances. If we went by Warhammer 40K, the Grand Alliances would be Chaos, Imperium, and Xenos. From there, we'd get army books for whatever they deem to be "an army". Again, going by the website, for Chaos that would mean Daemons, Death Guard, Heretics, and KSons. So it would be a bit like it is now with Codexes and Supplements, but if you wanted, you could just pick up a faction book and just build a conglomerate army. The only thing you'd lose are specific formations and bonuses that come from using the specific army book. The way they talk makes it sound like they're going to encourage more intermixing between the army books as long as you follow certain specific themes. So armies like Night Lords should be prepared to have few options to listbuilding since GW usually approaches the VIII has having little to no access to Chaos beyond allies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332739-8th-edition-rumours/page/9/#findComment-4725484 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguecaster Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 What I wonder is will points be available at the start with these faction books or will we have to wait a few months afterwards to get the proper way to play like how it was I AOS God I can't wait to see the rules for chaos land raiders it seem this edition the old girl will be back as a strong viable option especially transporting my Nurgle marines Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332739-8th-edition-rumours/page/9/#findComment-4725512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 If they do it just like AoS, there will be a free rulebook that is just the rules, and then free faction and and army books that are, again, just the rules. After that there will be buyable copies that will include lore etc. If you have more than one army or are planning to use more than one army, it would be best if you just downloaded any and all rules you even think you might need because your girlfriend's brother's boyfriend plays 40K and sometimes he forgets his army books because they will be free to download until they aren't and then they'll be gone. Kinda like the Shadow War rules. I'm not saying that will be what happens, just what could happen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332739-8th-edition-rumours/page/9/#findComment-4725518 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 You can't create Xenos alliances in 40k. The Eldar and Orks were literally created to fight Necrons. The Nids are a force of nature that consumes planets... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332739-8th-edition-rumours/page/9/#findComment-4725548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonoftherubric21 Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 Well I want to say from the context given so far that the actual faction (model rules) will be only done by purchase in the "Cheap" large faction books that GW was talking about in the Q+A session.This is just my thought from the language and context given, maybe I am wrong but I think that forcing everyone to get one (or several) of these books will hopefully stimulate the new edition monetarily to make it a pretty decent success. Once those rules are better known and older or weaker factions (dark eldar, orks, nids, Harlequins) get updated modern rulesets for 8th it will probably shoot sales up drastically from what I imagine now is a pretty low sales margin for the month of May / April. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332739-8th-edition-rumours/page/9/#findComment-4725588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoGuy Posted April 30, 2017 Author Share Posted April 30, 2017 Well I want to say from the context given so far that the actual faction (model rules) will be only done by purchase in the "Cheap" large faction books that GW was talking about in the Q+A session. In the live stream they said that we will have everything we need to play for free from day 1. So day 1 we will get the basic rules and rules for each and every 40K model out there. Later GW will release the full rulebook (think Generals Handbook for 40K) and codices which are just collections of the "warscrolls" plus some faction specific stuff (probably artefacts, warlord traits and psychic powers). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332739-8th-edition-rumours/page/9/#findComment-4725591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 You can't create Xenos alliances in 40k. The Eldar and Orks were literally created to fight Necrons. The Nids are a force of nature that consumes planets...In this edition, yes. We have to wait and see how next edition pans out. But that is also why I said if we go by the website that they have put up to inform us of the state of the universe in 8th Edition. It does not mean take my word or the website as gospel. Just that by how the website is currently organized, that may how they choose to run with it. Everyone knows that GW has no problem whatsoever throwing monkey wrenches into the background just in the same edition. All bets are off when it comes to a rule reset. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332739-8th-edition-rumours/page/9/#findComment-4725597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoGuy Posted April 30, 2017 Author Share Posted April 30, 2017 d if we go by the website that they have put up to inform us of the state of the universe in 8th Edition. This was also discussed in the live stream. People were wondering if everything will just be split up into those three "super factions". Nope. The website is there to give new players a brief overview over the different factions. So I wouldn't expect to see something like Orks fighting alongside some Nid allies etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332739-8th-edition-rumours/page/9/#findComment-4725601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 I honestly didn't think that was how it was going to pan out. But that was also why I put something like "if we go by the website" there in the first place. It was supposed to be a theoretical "what if in this scenario", not a definitive "this is how it will be". But thank you for the answer that it will not be the case. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332739-8th-edition-rumours/page/9/#findComment-4725605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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