Our very own chapter focus! :>

[Mr. Poe]

In the rule book it says that all units in a detachment need to use the same Chapter keyword; that's the only restriction I know of so far. 

 

They could do something like make you not battle-forged if you use multiple Chapters in an army but that doesn't seem right. 

[Race Bannon]

Maybe.  The CT won't work on a Blood Angels Dreadnought in a Raven Guard force because of different Chapter keywords, but you could still use a Blood Angel Dreadnought because it has a shared keyword: Imperium.

[SanguinaryGuardsman]

I noticed something that interesting about Strike from the Shadows.  This is more like a scout move than a deepstrike because you are not deploying at the end of your movement phase but before the game even starts.  So strike from the shadows is going to supercharge your assault units since they will get a movement phase before charging which would make 1st turn charges automatic.  Am I reading this incorrectly because this does seem almost too good.  

[JoshTheStampede]

We don't know how many CP per unit it costs, or whether there's restrictions on who can do it.

[SanguinaryGuardsman]

I think it is a safe assumption that most infantry will get to use it since what would be the point otherwise?.  I'd guess that centurions/terminators could perhaps be restricted.  How can a centurion sneak up on anything?? 

[SanguinaryGuardsman]

Oops... totally wrong it seems.

 

"There’s a huge range of ways to use this; getting a group of Hellblasters or Centurions into a strong firing position, setting up a devastating first turn charge with an Assault Squad or Inceptors, or just forcing your enemy to deploy defensively."

 

Wow is that powerful.  Maybe unit type dictates CP cost?  1cp for tacs/devs/vets 2cp for terminators/primaris/vanguard and 3cps for centurions?   

[Mr. Poe]

I think it is a safe assumption that most infantry will get to use it since what would be the point otherwise?.  I'd guess that centurions/terminators could perhaps be restricted.  How can a centurion sneak up on anything?? 

 

They may not allow jump infantry to use it? 

 

DERP ignore that ^^

Edited July 17, 2017 by Mr. Poe

[mertbl]

We are very sneaky.

 

I think it is a safe assumption that most infantry will get to use it since what would be the point otherwise?. I'd guess that centurions/terminators could perhaps be restricted. How can a centurion sneak up on anything??

[Alcyon]

I noticed something that interesting about Strike from the Shadows.  This is more like a scout move than a deepstrike because you are not deploying at the end of your movement phase but before the game even starts.  So strike from the shadows is going to supercharge your assault units since they will get a movement phase before charging which would make 1st turn charges automatic.  Am I reading this incorrectly because this does seem almost too good.  

 

I hadn't realized this but if the rule turns out like they say it does, you're absolutely right — this is a huge boon to Assault units. 9" is a pittance if you get a move before you charge. You don't even need jump packs strictly speaking. Plus, you get to set up "just before the game starts" — could this mean AFTER your enemy has deployed? Canny opponents won't leave any room inside their deployment zone and will stack their frontlines with cheap meat, but VVs or Terminators with LCs might be extremely good against hordes if they can get a guaranteed 1st turn charge and keep chaining with consolidation etc. to stay in combat.

[SanguinaryGuardsman]

We are very sneaky.

 

I think it is a safe assumption that most infantry will get to use it since what would be the point otherwise?. I'd guess that centurions/terminators could perhaps be restricted. How can a centurion sneak up on anything??

 

https://pics.me.me/very-sneaky-7026515.png

[KGatch113]

I thought Gabriel Seth and Flesh Tearers were now Vanilla Marines, since they don't have keyword Blood Angels.

[DDaley60]

Regarding the Raptors getting RG CT, I recall seeing the GW rep for the 40k facebook page responding that successor chapters will use the CT of their founding chapter. Ill try to dig it up if I have time, it was in the codex announcement a few days back. If that's the case there may be like a family tree per CT page which would explain Lias for example having the Raptors keyword.

[Alcyon]

I thought Gabriel Seth and Flesh Tearers were now Vanilla Marines, since they don't have keyword Blood Angels.

 

Check Index: Imperium 1, it's under either the BA rules or the FT rules, can't recall. But they are basically FT without the special chars save Seth.

[SyNidus]

Not sure i this has been answered yet, but unless there are some other provisos that come attached, the chapter tactics will work off the <Chapter> keyword.

Last i checked, my stormravens had the following faction keywords: Imperium, Adeptus astartes, <Chapter>. So yes, look to the skies for rage inducing Raven Guard Air Cav. Just the way it's meant to be.

On a more general note, i thought last edition's CT's combined with the talon strike force was decent and fluffy, but based on what they've revealed, it sounds like this may be the best rendition of the Raven Guard yet.
 

[mertbl]

Chapter tactics will be for bikes, dreads, infantry per the ultramarine preview article.

[SyNidus]

We'll just have to wait and see when the codex drops. For my part, it's quite clear from the screenshot of the Raven Guard chapter tactics that it says "Raven Guard units". If that is the case, then any unit with the Raven Guard faction will receive the bonus. Just like other bonuses that already exist and say "<Chapter> Units".

Again, barring some other rule which specifies which units gain the benefit or which ones do not, then this is how it would likely work.

[defl0]

I actually have a huge Raven Guard army and have a couple Raven Guard games with shrike under my belt. 

 

My take: 

- Re Roll charge is great but it's still pretty unreliable. At 9" with a re roll you still fail 40% of the time. 

- Lightning claws jumpers are solid but just don't murder enough to justify all claws. Instead you can take storm shield thunder hammer vanguard vets, which are really nasty. 

- 2 x twin auto cannon verable dreads with a captain baby sitters is really good. These rules just made them better. 

- Rapier quad hvy bolters and laser destroyer are infantry and will get the -1 to hit. I think these will be popular with RG. 

- Scouts deploy in deployment but outside of you deployment zone, which is great to create a push back area for the jumpers to land and launch an attack. 

- pods of devastators or vanguard are really good with shrike dropping in. It seems our command option will be similar.

 

Another interesting point is that the command option might help us go first depend on how it's written. 

[KGatch113]

Locally it seems most of the TO's want to make people roll off, with +1 if you finished deploying first, so I'm meh about the setting up for first turn charge.

 

But I am excited about overloading a flank with killy shooting units. 

 

For VV vets, I'd take shooters with storm shields more than anything else. You can land in shooting range, and if you don't have the first turn or they get a charge off on you, even a wraithknight, you should have a good number of survivors who can fall back and shoot. Forget HTH!

[TrawlingCleaner]

Anyone else see this? "If you want to make your own Raven Guard characters, their unique Warlord Trait, Silent Stalker, prevents enemies from firing Overwatch" combined with charge rerolls means that you can just charge a captain/chapter master with no problems at all so that the rest of your units can charge in with no problem.

 

Little bit strong...

[Dosjetka]

Korvydae body + some cool lightning claws = count-as Shrike. B)

 

This is exciting!

[Kua]

We'll just have to wait and see when the codex drops. For my part, it's quite clear from the screenshot of the Raven Guard chapter tactics that it says "Raven Guard units". If that is the case, then any unit with the Raven Guard faction will receive the bonus. Just like other bonuses that already exist and say "<Chapter> Units".

 

Again, barring some other rule which specifies which units gain the benefit or which ones do not, then this is how it would likely work.

The screenshot speaks of “Raven Guard units with this tactic”, same as the Ultramarines screenshot from 2 days ago. I’m pretty sure that another passage will state something like “If [conditions], all infantry, bike and dreadnought units in this detachment gain the rule [CT name]”.

Edited July 18, 2017 by Kua

[SyNidus]

 

We'll just have to wait and see when the codex drops. For my part, it's quite clear from the screenshot of the Raven Guard chapter tactics that it says "Raven Guard units". If that is the case, then any unit with the Raven Guard faction will receive the bonus. Just like other bonuses that already exist and say "<Chapter> Units".

 

Again, barring some other rule which specifies which units gain the benefit or which ones do not, then this is how it would likely work.

The screenshot speaks of “Raven Guard units with this tactic”, same as the Ultramarines screenshot from 2 days ago. I’m pretty sure that another passage will state something like “If [conditions], all infantry, bike and dreadnought unity in this detachment gain the rule [CT name]”.

 

That could very well be the case, as i said, we'll just have to wait and see. But i'm totally psyched for the codex!

[Jacques Corbin]

So Dreadnoughts then? Yes, I can pop smoke on my Ironclad after moving up on turn 1, and that is -2 to hit outside of 12". So either move up to hit him, or run away.

 

Now the question is, does it affect my Thunderfire Cannon? Must email GW!

[Kua]

From rules known so far:

No.

 

The cannon and the gunner are targeted separately, with the gunner not being targeted at all most of the time due to him being a character, s.t. if gives you no benefit that he (but not the cannon) get the CT rule.

[Jacques Corbin]

Well, email is sent. A TFC is much smaller, though arguably louder, than a Dreadnought, so I would hope they get my point, which is a yes will sell more TFCs.