Roomsky Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Also, tell Roomsky to post that picture of his. I need to like it again here. It's in the primarch art thread, because I couldn't think of anywhere else to put it. When I eventually adapt his Talon of Horus cover, i'll drop it here. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338425-the-black-legion/page/5/#findComment-4501045 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorgar Aurelian Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Is there anywhere online that has the exclusive content that was in the first edition of Talon of Horus? I would love to read it. One of my favourite black library books and I missed out because of exclusive nonsense. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338425-the-black-legion/page/5/#findComment-4501080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soldier of Dorn Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Very little involvement in the Black Legion supplement, beyond "The fandom thinks all of the Black Crusades were defeats, we need to phrase them better" and some brief requests for edits. That was all the time frame allowed. They asked me to write it originally, but the timing didn't line up, which is a shame. But there's also the knowledge that, well, the series will (I hope?) span years and years of real time. Stuff that was written for, say, Black Crusade X in that supplement may not be how it plays out in the novel series, if the books even deal with it. (Besides, there's lots to do with the Black Legion beyond Black Crusades, etc.) You mean we could have had a Codex (well, Supplement) written by you? That would have been amazing. Shame it didn't work out. :( Roomsky: Brilliant! Saw it on A D-B's FB feed the other day, and thought it was absolute gold. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338425-the-black-legion/page/5/#findComment-4501342 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Very little involvement in the Black Legion supplement, beyond "The fandom thinks all of the Black Crusades were defeats, we need to phrase them better" and some brief requests for edits. That was all the time frame allowed. They asked me to write it originally, but the timing didn't line up, which is a shame. But there's also the knowledge that, well, the series will (I hope?) span years and years of real time. Stuff that was written for, say, Black Crusade X in that supplement may not be how it plays out in the novel series, if the books even deal with it. (Besides, there's lots to do with the Black Legion beyond Black Crusades, etc.) You mean we could have had a Codex (well, Supplement) written by you? That would have been amazing. Shame it didn't work out. Roomsky: Brilliant! Saw it on A D-B's FB feed the other day, and thought it was absolute gold. Roomsky is brilliant indeed Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338425-the-black-legion/page/5/#findComment-4501504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkins Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 oh my! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338425-the-black-legion/page/5/#findComment-4520092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 A guy on Facebook did not see the amusing side of me saying ""Breaker of the crimson king" surely that title belongs to Leman Russ and the epic back breaker he performed" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338425-the-black-legion/page/5/#findComment-4520127 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandlemad Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 So who do we reckon could be considered first of the Ezekarion? Kibre? Sargon? Maybe they jostle for first position... Unless it's Abaddon himself? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338425-the-black-legion/page/5/#findComment-4520152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Knight King = Sigismund. Worf effect claims yet another victim. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338425-the-black-legion/page/5/#findComment-4520175 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Knight King = Sigismund. Worf effect claims yet another victim. How tragically cynical. An event a reader doesn't like doesn't automatically equate to the author lacking integrity or relying on the Worf Effect. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338425-the-black-legion/page/5/#findComment-4520177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 It's my defence mechanism. I'm not ready for it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338425-the-black-legion/page/5/#findComment-4520179 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 It's my defence mechanism. I'm not ready for it. Ha! In fairness, I'm not sure I am, either. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338425-the-black-legion/page/5/#findComment-4520181 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 It's my defence mechanism. I'm not ready for it. Ha! In fairness, I'm not sure I am, either. Well gonna grab a coffee and clear this tear in the corner of my eye :,( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338425-the-black-legion/page/5/#findComment-4520182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleanse And Purify Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Knight King = Sigismund. Worf effect claims yet another victim. Sigismund cuts off Abaddon's arms and takes his place as Lord of the Black Legion. He also steals Khayon's dark eldar girlfriend and then surfs off into the Eye of Terror atop a Stormbird while Sevatar leans casually on a chainglaive next to him. http://m.memegen.com/jxbews.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338425-the-black-legion/page/5/#findComment-4520262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petitioner's City Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 thinking of Sigismund as Worf, rather than the subject of the Worf effect, is a pretty good match - having more honour than the rest of society, believing in lost codes, and the best warrior: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfNe2uv-bHs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JspTr5TdR4k To watch this gorgeous fight in HD and its aftermath, missing from youtube, ou can find it on Netflix - it's S7, e22, 'Tackling the Wind', with the scene from 35:12). It's one of my favourite Worf moments, building on things that have happened from S1 of TNG, 'Heart of Glory', 11 years before in production. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338425-the-black-legion/page/5/#findComment-4520289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 ehm...what is the Worf effect? oO btw I finally got a copy of ToH! :D My GW store got one left and I discovered it today. ^^ So now I'll be able to catch up with you. *har har har* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338425-the-black-legion/page/5/#findComment-4520336 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 So worf is a badass Klingon. When the show wanted to introduce a badass villain worf would get a beating. So you knew the new dude was well a bigger badass. Hence the worf effect. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338425-the-black-legion/page/5/#findComment-4520345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleanse And Purify Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 ehm...what is the Worf effect? oO btw I finally got a copy of ToH! My GW store got one left and I discovered it today. ^^ So now I'll be able to catch up with you. *har har har* http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheWorfEffect Essentially, it goes thusly: you have a character whom is an established badass, i.e. Worf or Wolverine. However, you want to introduce a new foe who is supposed to be very threatening and dangerous. How do? Why not have him beat up Worf! After all, Worf is awesome, and so someone who can beat him up is also awesome and dangerous. Which is fine, in isolation. The Worf Effect refers to when this becomes a standard plot choice in the series, and it gets to the point where you barely, if ever, see the Worf-analogue do anything badass: he's just there to get beat up to introduce the new bad-ass of the month. So you get this sort of cognitive dissonance with the character, where we are always told they are mighty warriors, but never shown it. Indeed, we are shown quite the opposite. That being said, ADB is like the best writer BL have, and I'm sure Sigismund's death will be appropriately mighty. I suspect he defeats Abaddon in single combat and is then slain by Khayon/Abaddon's bodyguards in order to save the newly minted (relatively) Lord of the Black Legion. I still hope for my "Sig/Sev Surfin' (storm)Bird extravaganza" but, as the eight-balls say, "outlook not good." ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338425-the-black-legion/page/5/#findComment-4520349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 So the Worf effect is like: badass good guy is beaten down by a more badass bad guy nearly every time? So we got the Worf effect in nearly every good movie, game, novel, etc. as it is commonly used, right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338425-the-black-legion/page/5/#findComment-4520351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleanse And Purify Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 So the Worf effect is like: badass good guy is beaten down by a more badass bad guy nearly every time? Essentially. It doesn't even need to be a good guy. Eldar fans complain about this constantly regarding the supposed treatment of Avatars: i.e. whenever we need to show someone in 40k is a true-blue bad-ass, he beats up an Avatar. Now, I tend to err on the side of "Eldar fans are just as whiny as the Eldar themselves, i.e. extraordinarily so," but then again, I would say that wouldn't I. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338425-the-black-legion/page/5/#findComment-4520353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 I still need to see Sigismund achievements at the Siege of Terra. But that pressure on ADB. Cleanse and Purify.He's gonna love it ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338425-the-black-legion/page/5/#findComment-4520355 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Just a quick random thought. If Sigismund goes into a Dreadnaught, would he be the oldest space marine alive? I reckon he is older than Bjorn. Assumptions ofc. And is the BL Witch the reason BT hate sorcery so much? So may questions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338425-the-black-legion/page/5/#findComment-4520405 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleanse And Purify Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Just a quick random thought. If Sigismund goes into a Dreadnaught, would he be the oldest space marine alive? I reckon he is older than Bjorn. Assumptions ofc. He is almost certainly older than Bjorn, just judging on their relative seniorities in their respective Legions (though Sigismund's rise through the ranks is described as "swift," so perhaps he is younger than I imagine). However, I doubt he gets put in a Dreadnought. I figure if he dies in the First Black Crusade, he dies for real. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338425-the-black-legion/page/5/#findComment-4520408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 I was just thinking on a Dreadnaught on another BL story. Cantus Maxim Gloria, which is a very old Venerable BT Dreadnaught that oversees the rites of passing of an initiate to Sword Brothers. Just random thoughts :) Well gonna get that support group ready. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338425-the-black-legion/page/5/#findComment-4520410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 If they make Sigismund a dreadnaught it's the dumbest idea they've had since... well the last time they tried something avant garde with the Templars. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338425-the-black-legion/page/5/#findComment-4520466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 If they make Sigismund a dreadnaught it's the dumbest idea they've had since... well the last time they tried something avant garde with the Templars. Why? Nothing signifies a greater undying sacrifice that ensures your crusade will never end than a dreadnaught. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/338425-the-black-legion/page/5/#findComment-4520562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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