Commissar Molotov Posted January 26, 2022 Author Share Posted January 26, 2022 Petragor - Per the Squad Mode rules on p.213 of the CRB, if you move more than 30m away from another squad member, you'll drop out of squad mode. I'd argue that as long as you're in squad mode when you declare your wrathful descent, you could probably get away with it. I wouldn't allow Wrathful Descent as part of a Bolter Assault because I wouldn't consider it a "successful charge" (and as you note, there's no melee attack) but rather a "charge move" (or "move as far as you would if you were charging.") With Assault Marines, it's tricky - you could certainly move into engagement range with a target and then when it gets to your turn you'd be free to use Lightning Attack. Obviously you miss out on the +20 from your charge. Regarding Bolter Assault, yes - the bolter half of a combi-weapon can be utilised. Lysimachus 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343329-dw-blackthorn-and-swordhand-ooc-thread/page/290/#findComment-5788926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petragor Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Good, I'll write up Bolter Assault with that then Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343329-dw-blackthorn-and-swordhand-ooc-thread/page/290/#findComment-5788928 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysimachus Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Very good points, I missed that re: activating on a Melee attack! :) Just a thought, but BA does include throwing Grenades? A Frag would probably do more points of Mag Dam than a single Bolter Shot? (but doesn't have enough to penetrate the Stormraven's Armour, so no worry there!) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343329-dw-blackthorn-and-swordhand-ooc-thread/page/290/#findComment-5788929 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petragor Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Very good points, I missed that re: activating on a Melee attack! Just a thought, but BA does include throwing Grenades? A Frag would probably do more points of Mag Dam than a single Bolter Shot? (but doesn't have enough to penetrate the Stormraven's Armour, so no worry there!) It specifies Bolt weapons, so no, grenades are off the table unfortunately Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343329-dw-blackthorn-and-swordhand-ooc-thread/page/290/#findComment-5788930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted January 26, 2022 Author Share Posted January 26, 2022 Lysimachus is right - you can throw a grenade as part of your bolter assault. So you could throw a frag grenade and then charge as your proper action. Plenty of choices for you! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343329-dw-blackthorn-and-swordhand-ooc-thread/page/290/#findComment-5788936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petragor Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Oh, my bad, I missed the grenade part. Anyway, I've completed my Bolter Assault, no hits this time around but you can't win them all Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343329-dw-blackthorn-and-swordhand-ooc-thread/page/290/#findComment-5788947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysimachus Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Ah well, someone will get him in a minute! :D Just noticed on the map, with Titus moving to behind the first crates on the platform and Achillion and Embe having moved south to beside the generator, Titus is only in Support Range of Argus. So if the Blood Raven moves more than 5m (1 more square) south this turn, Titus will drop out of Squad Mode. Which isn't a big deal, but in Round 3 someone else will have to call for Bolter Assault? :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343329-dw-blackthorn-and-swordhand-ooc-thread/page/290/#findComment-5789015 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Will Vorr be in range to throw a frag grenade at the Grots then move into cover from the crates so that his full action will be to aim and fire his multimelta at one of the Kans? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343329-dw-blackthorn-and-swordhand-ooc-thread/page/290/#findComment-5789164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted January 26, 2022 Author Share Posted January 26, 2022 Looking at the map, yes. Your charge is 21m, and the range of the grenade is your Strength Bonus x 3. You should be all good! Reyner and Machine God 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343329-dw-blackthorn-and-swordhand-ooc-thread/page/290/#findComment-5789175 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine God Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Looking at the map, yes. Your charge is 21m, and the range of the grenade is your Strength Bonus x 3. You should be all good! Barring a Jam of course Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343329-dw-blackthorn-and-swordhand-ooc-thread/page/290/#findComment-5789213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysimachus Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 @KA: Should be +10 for Short Range, so it's a hit! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343329-dw-blackthorn-and-swordhand-ooc-thread/page/290/#findComment-5789304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komrade_Atomic Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 (edited) Lys: Really? Great! I'll roll damage then, or should I wait for Mol to resolve a dodge? Edited January 27, 2022 by Komrade_Atomic Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343329-dw-blackthorn-and-swordhand-ooc-thread/page/290/#findComment-5789738 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted January 27, 2022 Author Share Posted January 27, 2022 Alas, it appears that there's some miscommunication. I've re-checked both Mark of Xenos and Ark of Lost Souls, but Ork Wrekkas/Boyz and Lootas are not Size (Hulking), so you don't get a +10. Still a miss! Komrade_Atomic 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343329-dw-blackthorn-and-swordhand-ooc-thread/page/290/#findComment-5789744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysimachus Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Damn, that's my fault. Just looked back at the core book size tables, I'd read Human and Eldar as Average(+0) and then Ork on the next line down as Hulking(+10)... but it's not. An Ork Nob is +10. Several hours in the Pain Glove for me! :D Jeremy.Phillips and Mojake 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343329-dw-blackthorn-and-swordhand-ooc-thread/page/290/#findComment-5789769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komrade_Atomic Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Ah, glad that's resolved! Always next time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343329-dw-blackthorn-and-swordhand-ooc-thread/page/290/#findComment-5789814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojake Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 I'm assuming we don't have to roll our own Dodge tests? Also Achillion was hoping to be just under the wing so I think he'd get cover? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343329-dw-blackthorn-and-swordhand-ooc-thread/page/290/#findComment-5790349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted January 28, 2022 Author Share Posted January 28, 2022 Just as a note, I'm still working on the post (during work) but normally I'm happy to roll dodges for characters, rather than waiting 24 hours or so for a post. (In Vorr's case, it's because I agreed with Reyner to roll his dice.) Some posters, such as A.T. and Steel Company, will sometimes put pre-emptive rolls into their posts for dodges, although they don't always get used. Certainly when close combat starts it can be an issue. Regarding the Gretchin, normally you can't dodge attacks from a horde, due to the amount of firepower. I will just say that this is not going to be a particularly powerful attack (and you're probably going to gain cover, as you mentioned.) Mojake and Reyner 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343329-dw-blackthorn-and-swordhand-ooc-thread/page/290/#findComment-5790351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted January 28, 2022 Author Share Posted January 28, 2022 Okay, post complete. I can't put the map up just yet, but the road is clear for Thire and Argus to declare. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343329-dw-blackthorn-and-swordhand-ooc-thread/page/290/#findComment-5790379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petragor Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 For the record, you can absolutely roll Embe’s dodges for me, I agree that it helps expediency. Commissar Molotov 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343329-dw-blackthorn-and-swordhand-ooc-thread/page/290/#findComment-5790389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Vorr can now hear the Doom music. Glad that Mark 6 torso armour held up though! Commissar Molotov 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343329-dw-blackthorn-and-swordhand-ooc-thread/page/290/#findComment-5790495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy.Phillips Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 If someone doesn't mind double-checking my latest post, I'd appreciate it. I'm not sure if I got the Righteous Fury rules correct. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343329-dw-blackthorn-and-swordhand-ooc-thread/page/290/#findComment-5790658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petragor Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 If someone doesn't mind double-checking my latest post, I'd appreciate it. I'm not sure if I got the Righteous Fury rules correct.Umm, I’m not sure you applied Semi-Auto correct. You only get extra hits with 2 degrees of success or more, and you only barely passed the shot Jeremy.Phillips 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343329-dw-blackthorn-and-swordhand-ooc-thread/page/290/#findComment-5790685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy.Phillips Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 If someone doesn't mind double-checking my latest post, I'd appreciate it. I'm not sure if I got the Righteous Fury rules correct.Umm, I’m not sure you applied Semi-Auto correct. You only get extra hits with 2 degrees of success or more, and you only barely passed the shot The extra damage is coming from the righteous fury, not the semi-auto Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343329-dw-blackthorn-and-swordhand-ooc-thread/page/290/#findComment-5790687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petragor Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 You get extra hits with Righteous Fury? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343329-dw-blackthorn-and-swordhand-ooc-thread/page/290/#findComment-5790690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petragor Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 I’ve checked the rules and it doesn’t seem like you do. You just add a d10 to your damage, IDK why you’re adding extra hits when you don’t have the degrees of success to do so Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343329-dw-blackthorn-and-swordhand-ooc-thread/page/290/#findComment-5790691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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