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Da nisi mihi omnia ei 'ius dei' rei, imperatori tui non est deus, senex est--atque potestas--in sella orbis. Mei generis erat senex ubi imperatori tui erat infans.

 

 

Don't give me any of that 'right of the gods' stuff, your emperor isn't a god, he's an old man--admittedly a powerful one--in a wheelchair. My race was old when your emperor was an infant.

 

 

That may not be entirely correct, but what can I do, eh?

 

 

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+++ETL VI - WEEK 3 UPDATE+++




Week 3 is over and now we’re entering Week 4 – the last whole of recruitment. Week 3 was a bit thin on new recruits, as was largely expected, but we’ve seen an increase in completions and new vows…

Let’s see them in detail:

ETL VI:
Total participants: 327
Total vows: 357
Total points pledged: 278,051pts
Average ETL vow: 779pts
Points completed: 17,077pts
ETL completion rate (CR): 6.1%
ETL score: 1,049

As expected, Week 3 was a bit tighter in terms of new recruits adding just 29 in total. However total vows increased by 46 with the average vow dropping from 800 to 779. The total points pledged reached 278k. The completion rate is gradually increasing (although still largely irrelevant) to ca. 6%, driving the ETL score to around 1k.

Interestingly we have IFOR, Chaos and AoD going toe-to-toe for second position – this will definitely be the battle to wacth!

The more important consideration however, is not what happened in Week 3 but what will happen in Week 4. Week 4 is immensely important as it’s the last full week of recruitment. There will be of course a couple of more days until the official end of the recruitment period but after that, that’s it! The doors will close, and each faction/forum will have to do with whatever resources have managed to gather!

So, recruitment is the order of the day (or should I say the week?). There will be time for completions and re-vowing, but the chance to get new recruits on board has an expiry date and that date is June 1st!

Now let’s see how the Factions & Forums performed:

Adeptus Astartes:
Total participants: 153
Total vows: 167
Total points pledged: 120,065pts
Average vow: 719pts
Points completed: 5,929pts
ETL completion rate (CR): 4.9%
ETL score: 293

The Big Picture:
The Adeptus Astartes added 12 new participants in Week 3 maintaining some momentum. Of course, they remain at the lead, by having 43% of the total points pledged in the ETL so far. True their average vow retreated further but not that far below the ETL average and they superiority in numbers more than makes up for it. What are the real dangers here? Well, to sum it up, it’s the completion rate. This numerical superiority is as good as the commitment of the individual partiicpants to complete their self-appointed tasks within the ETL time-frame. Other than that, they seem, at this point, unassailable!

Now let’s see the how the individual Forums performed:

Space Marines:
Total participants: 53
Total vows: 57
Total points pledged: 38,387pts
Average vow: 673pts
Points completed: 2,073pts
ETL completion rate (CR): 5.4%
ETL score: 112

Space Marines are not only the leading forum of the Astartes Faction but the leading Forum overall in terms of participants and points pledged. They added 5 new participants in Week 3, but their average vow retreated further to just 673pts. The Space Marines have historically been one of the more enthusiastic Forums in the ETLs but also the one that suffers from mediocre completion rates. In short, and provided that we will not see a surge of participation in other forums (something that has happened before) they have little to fear but themselves. Completion rate is the highest priority – although they should keep in mind that recruitment is still going on!

Blood Angels:
Total participants: 43
Total vows: 49
Total points pledged: 30,834pts
Average vow: 629pts
Points completed: 1,937pts
ETL completion rate (CR): 4.9%
ETL score: 74

The recruitment effort remained relatively strong for the BAs in Week 3 adding another 5 participants to their total. They also started the re-vowing process in earnest 6 second vows already pledged. However, this came at a cost as their average vow retreated further to 629pts – the lowest in the Astartes Faction and 150pts lower than the ETL average. That means that not only high completion rate among first vows is extremely important, but unless they bring even more new participants in, they will be highly dependent on second and subsequent vows. The resources are there, now they need to exploit them. It’s a pity to have some 12 more vows compared to the DAs but only 2.9k pts more…

Dark Angels
Total participants: 37
Total vows: 37
Total points pledged: 27,967pts
Average vow: 756pts
Points completed: 404 pts
ETL completion rate (CR): 1.4%
ETL score: 6

This was not a good week for the DAs. With only one new recruit they are now lagging compared to the BAs and the gap widened further vs. the SMs. And it’s not that recent history supports the notion of high completion rates… On the positive side their average vow remained relatively high and virtually at par with the ETL average. But recruitment in Week 4 is of paramount importance! The difference in points vs. the BAs is not as big as the gap in participants would suggest – so a good Week 4 may make all the difference. Oh, and some completions will also come in handy – although nowhere nearly as important.

Space Wolves:
Total participants: 20
Total vows: 24
Total points pledged: 22,877pts
Average vow: 953pts
Points completed: 1,937 pts
ETL completion rate (CR): 8.5%
ETL score: 164

The SWs had a good week – not so much on the recruitment front (things there were quite subdued) but more on the completion and re-vowing front where they more than doubled their completed points while retaining a very strong average vow – more than 170pts above the ETL average. Their completion rate is the highest in the Astartes Faction – although not the highest in the ETL. Here things are simple: If they can add 10 more participants at roughly the same average vow, then they’ll be in an advantageous position vs. the DAs and the BAs despite still lagging in total participants. Week 4 is going to be VERY crucial for the Wolves!

IFOR Faction:
Total participants: 47
Total vows: 51
Total points pledged: 44,140pts
Average vow: 865pts
Points completed: 3,026pts
ETL completion rate (CR): 6.9%
ETL score: 207

The Big Picture:
IFOR has had a strong Week 3, adding 7 more participants and retaining an average vow of 865pts – the second highest in the ETL! Their completion rate is also the second highest and they are well placed to threaten second position. However, there is significant competition from very dynamic Factions such as Chaos and AoD that also compete aggressively. So, what to do? Well, first and foremost, get in more recruits! They can afford to see their average vow slipping, provided they add to their ranks a meaningful number of new recruits. Week 4 could prove to be the make-or-break point for IFOR!

Let’s see the Forums in detail.

Adepta Sororitas:
Total participants: 6
Total vows: 6
Total points pledged: 3,270pts
Average vow: 545pts
Points completed: 0 pts
ETL completion rate (CR): 0%
ETL score: 0

The Sisters did not add to their ranks – a largely expected outcome to be fair. There were also no completions but from what I see there is a lot of progress. In my view, the Sisters have made more than what was reasonably expected of them so far. Hopefully we’ll see some more joining in in Week 4, but their realistic target should be to achieve as high a completion rate as possible – and why not 100%? That way they’ll be contributing a solid amount to the IFOR Faction.

Adeptus Mechanicus:
Total participants: 10
Total vows: 11
Total points pledged: 7,093pts
Average vow: 645pts
Points completed: 240pts
ETL completion rate (CR): 3.4%
ETL score: 8

With only one addition in Week 3, it makes Week 4 all the more important! Even, within the context of the IFOR, AdMech looks to be slipping. Granted their participation levels are at par with the other IFOR big hitters but they have less points pledged, than Astra Militarum and Agents and their average vow in not that strong either. They need to add more participants while retaining their average vow or we need to see some completions and re-vowing from existing participants to bring the total close to their IFOR rivals. On a personal note, I really want to see the AdMech performing well, given their amazing range… Bellisarius Cawl anyone?

Let’s see Week 4 make the difference!

Astra Militarum:
Total participants: 11
Total vows: 12
Total points pledged: 9,412pts
Average vow: 784pts
Points completed: 1,439pts
ETL completion rate (CR): 15.3%
ETL score: 220
Mostly good news here! The Guard increased their participants by 2 and their total vows by 3 while actually increasing their average vow to slightly above the ETL average. Overall a great showing for the Guard. Their completion rate may have retreated slightly as a result (despite some great completions) but their overall score climbed further. I guess, what the Guard needs to do is to make a jump on the participants’ front while this is still possible. Their main in-Faction rivals are really too close for comfort – especially now that the Deathwatch is picking up pace!

Imperial Agents:
Total participants: 10
Total vows: 10
Total points pledged: 15,823pts
Average vow: 1,582pts
Points completed: 0 pts
ETL completion rate (CR): 0%
ETL score: 0

With one more addition the Agents seem to be running a bit out of steam. True, some super vows (the Warlord Titan included) still give them the edge in terms of average vow (the highest in the ETL) and total points pledged, but that should not be the end of it. Relying on super-vows may go both ways as real life can be unpredictable. They can afford to see their average vow retreating quite substantially and still be in the lead – new recruits is what will act as a safety net, even if those new recruits come at lower average vows. I think the Custodes are under-represented, especially as the traffic in the Agents forum is dominated by Custodes topics… And the range is awesome, especially as they have access to FW stuff and the Telemon Heavy Dreadnought as of late!

Deathwatch:
Total participants: 8
Total vows: 10
Total points pledged: 5,884pts
Average vow: 588pts
Points completed: 1,347pts
ETL completion rate (CR): 22.9%
ETL score: 308

Well, the arrival of the new Codex signalled a renewed interest for the Deathwatch! They added another two participants in Week 3 and we’ve seen two re-vowings bringing the total points pledged to 5.9k pts. However, their still behind the AdMech, the Guard and the Agents due to their relatively low average vow which stands some 190pts below the ETL average. But, with their early completions, they enjoy one of the highest completion rates in the ETL at 23% and one of the highest ETL scores at 308pts (the second higher in fact). But it’s too early to take into account the ETL score. If it is to have any meaning, it will require duration – and that in turn, requires more participants. So let’s see the recruitment continue in Week 4 and hopefully in more point-rich vows!

Grey Knights:
Total participants: 2
Total vows: 2
Total points pledged: 2,658pts
Average vow: 1,329pts
Points completed: 0 pts
ETL completion rate (CR): 0%
ETL score: 0

Well in Week 3, the Grey Knights accumulated another participant so Joukernaut will have some support. Despite the excellent range, people are still reluctant to join the cause of Chapter 666… Well, one can only hope that Week 4 will bring in more Grey Knight Masters in support – and given the already VERY high average vow, they can easily afford smaller vows by the new recruits. This is a case that targeting 100% completion rate is totally within reach!

Realm of Chaos Faction:
Total participants: 51
Total vows: 56
Total points pledged: 43,448pts
Average vow: 776pts
Points completed: 1,652pts
ETL completion rate (CR): 3.8%
ETL score: 63

The Big Picture:
The Realm of Chaos only added 3 more participants in Week 3 – certainly not something that I expected! With a vibrant range of miniatures and their ETL heritage, I have to say that Week 3 was a bit of a let down on this front. But there are still things going for them. Their participants pool is the second highest at the moment and their average vow is bang-on on the ETL average – so no slippage there, if anything their average vow increased slighty. As it happens, their total points pledged are slightly below the IFOR and slightly above the AoD BUT they have more participants giving them more options and as more forgiving outlook (although I’m not sure the Gods will be as forgiving)!

Let’s see in detail of the Forum analysis below:

Chaos Space Marines:
Total participants: 41
Total vows: 45
Total points pledged: 31,673pts
Average vow: 704pts
Points completed: 1,652pts
ETL completion rate (CR): 5.2%
ETL score: 86
Only one new participant in Week 3??? Oh boy… At least there was some re-vowing but by lowering further the average vow. Generally speaking, Week 3 did not go so well for Chaos, although the completions were welcome as is the fantastic quality of the painting! Ok, of a Forum level, the number of participants is way behind that of the loyal Astartes and extremely close for comfort to the BAs and the DAs. Early completions, although welcome, cannot be relied upon to deliver you to the top. My only advice: make good use of Week 4! This is the last opportunity to take the lead in terms of resources – how they are utilised to full effect is a problem for later!

Chaos Daemons:
Total participants: 4
Total vows: 4
Total points pledged: 3,451pts
Average vow: 863pts
Points completed: 0 pts
ETL completion rate (CR): 0%
ETL score: 0

A pleasant surprise from the Daemons camp, with one more participant joining in Week 3 – the same as in Heretic Astartes! And with an average vow above the ETL average they are in a good shape to achieve very high completion rates (100% maybe?). Let’s see if Week 4 will bring in some more of those FANTASTIC Greater Daemon miniatures!

The Lost and the Damned:
Total participants: 6
Total vows: 7
Total points pledged: 8,324pts
Average vow: 1,189pts
Points completed: 0 pts
ETL completion rate (CR): 0%
ETL score: 0

The LatD saw another addition to their ranks in Week 3 – not bad at all! And big vows too – they have an average vow of 1,189, among the highest in the ETL, and total points pledged at 8,324 – that’s more than the AdMech, the Deathwatch, the Necrons and the Aeldari – all of which have 8 to 10 participants! Of course, high average vow translates to higher responsibility and higher risk… Let’s see what the Traitor Guard can pull! The good news is, you can afford to bring down your average vow if it translates to meaningful reinforcements. Can we see more LatD arriving in Week 4? Or maybe some Traitor Titans?

Xenos Faction:
Total participants: 38
Total vows: 39
Total points pledged: 27,329pts
Average vow: 701pts
Points completed: 0 pts
ETL completion rate (CR): 0%
ETL score: 0

The Big Picture:
Well, 5 more participants in Week 3 is nothing to sneer at! However, this came at lower points bringing the average total vow to 701pts which is lowest among all Factions – and this is really where the problem lies. Although at face value they appear to have as many participants as the AoD they have a substantial 16k gap with them. I think the problem lies with the Aeldari and the Orks but I will elaborate on that below:


Aeldari:
Total participants: 9
Total vows: 9
Total points pledged: 2,978pts
Average vow: 331pts
Points completed: 0 pts
ETL completion rate (CR): 0%
ETL score: 0

Well the thing is that 9 participants have pledged less than 3k pts between them. What we’re looking here, is the strange situation (I think it’s the first time we came across such a thing in an ETL) where participants are more involved in the artistic aspect of the modelling and painting – and not so much in the army-building part. Don’t get me wrong, we did have the “artisans” between us in previous ETLs too, but we also had a majority of the participants within any given Forum who did the “army expansion” thing – balancing things out. Now we have the “army-builders” as a minority here and this takes its toll on the Forum and the Faction (in ETL-Score terms of course). Now it is known that we ALWAYS promote quality over quantity in the ETL so those vows are very welcome! It is just unusual to have such one-sided approach in one Forum…

To boost the score, it goes without saying that the new vows (either through new participants or through re-vowing) must be sizeable chunks – and in any case above the 331pts average. That is no so demanding – especially given the wealth of option the Aeldari have from Named Characters to Lords of War and everything in-between, and with Forge World in support! Week 4 is really the opportunity to see some Aeldari reinforcements arrive!

Necrons:
Total participants: 10
Total vows: 9
Total points pledged: 6,514pts
Average vow: 724pts
Points completed: 845pts
ETL completion rate (CR): 13%
ETL score: 110

The Necrons added 2 more players in Week 3 bringing the total to 10. Their average vow at 630 is on the low side (similar to BAs, AdMech), something that can be easily improved on with some heftier new vows or follow-ups. The climate in the Outpost is great and the Necron range is amazing, so maybe we’ll see a surge in Week 4. Participation is not that bad but the more they can bring on to their side next week, the better. More participants provide more options and take the strain away from the individual. Also, they can negate the perceived disadvantage of low average vow, that for 10-strong team, is kind of a burden.

Orks:
Total participants: 4
Total vows: 4
Total points pledged: 2,893pts
Average vow: 723pts
Points completed: 600pts
ETL completion rate (CR): 20.7%
ETL score: 124

Although the needle did not move on the total points pledged and the number of participants, a 600pts completion drove the completion rate to above 20% - the second highest in the ETL! I think this is another case where the 100% completion rate is within reach. The Orks suffer immensely be low participation levels – although their average vow is at very healthy levels. I personally attribute this to the lack of an updated Codex and the reluctance people have to commit when they know that there might be important releases in the near future. Be that as it may, the current range, although dated for the most art, still contains some of the most evocative miniatures for 40k that are both a pleasure to paint and to look at. Plus, there is support from Forge World too, so one can hope that Week 4 will bring more Greenskins to the fray! And Kudos to those who have participated despite everything!

T’au Empire
Total participants: 11
Total vows: 11
Total points pledged: 11,556pts
Average vow: 1,051pts
Points completed: 0 pts
ETL completion rate (CR): 0%
ETL score: 0

The T’au retain their leading position within the Xenos Faction adding another 2 partiicpants and displaying a lot of progress – although no completions to this point. Well, completions are always welcome, but at this stage it’s the least important consideration. Participation is much more important, as is a relatively high average vow – both of which the T’au seem to achieve. In fact, the T’au are doing better than virtually all the IFOR Forums – and even compare themselves to the Agents (that Titan tips the balance). They are also doinf better than the non-Astartes Chaos Forums but still lag behind both AoD Forums and of course the Astartes (Loyalist and Heretic). But Week 4 is still ahead and this can mean that T’au will push even further forward, or they will stagnate and lose their pace. Remember, this is still the time to add to your ranks, come June 1stthis opportunity will be gone!

Tyranids
Total participants: 2
Total vows: 2
Total points pledged: 2,232pts
Average vow: 1,116pts
Points completed: 0 pts
ETL completion rate (CR): 0%
ETL score: 0

Again, no developments in the Tyranid corner in Week 3 – although there is progress with the vows. I just wish those friendly aliens would receive more love from the B&C community… There are so many interesting and downright scary models, it’s a pity no to see them taking shape in the ETL.

Age of Darkness Faction (AoD)
Total participants: 38
Total vows: 44
Total points pledged: 43,069pts
Average vow: 979pts
Points completed: 5,025pts
ETL completion rate (CR): 11.7%
ETL score: 586

The Big Picture:
The AoD definitely lost steam in Week 3. After a strong Week 2, they only managed to add 2 more new participants losing some momentum on that front. However, there was a lot of activity and we’ve seen 6 re-vowings that actually raised the average vow. Still though, with 43k pts they are certainly fighting for second position, along with IFOR and Chaos. Interestingly, AoD currently has the highest score in the ETL at 586pts! A bit more boost in Week 4 might be all that’s needed to establish themselves as the clear second – and on a bad day for the SMs, maybe first too! More participants will get you a long way…

Age of Darkness – Loyalists (AoD-L)
Total participants: 21
Total vows: 25
Total points pledged: 24,552pts
Average vow: 981pts
Points completed: 2,525pts
ETL completion rate (CR): 10.3%
ETL score: 260

All the new participants of the AoD Faction actually joined the AoD-L. However, despite the higher participation and more points pledged they have fallen behind in the score vs. the AoD-T on account of lower completion rate. However, this is conjunctural as there is plenty of time to overturn it. And usually, during this process, higher participation tips the balance. I would also like to point out that the AoD-L has more points pledged than every single Forum form the IFOR and the Xenos Factions, ahead of the SWs and the non-Heretic-Astartes Chaos Forums and is very close to the DAs. And come to think of it, a strong Week 4 can bring them closer to the heavy-hitters Chaos Marines, BAs and even Loyalist Marines.

Age of Darkness – Traitors (AoD-T)
Total participants: 17
Total vows: 19
Total points pledged: 18,547pts
Average vow: 976pts
Points completed: 2,500 pts
ETL completion rate (CR): 13.5%
ETL score: 337

There were no new participants this week for AoD-T which is rather unfortunate. There were some completions however and some re-vowing bringing their total score higher than the AoD-L. But for this to last, more recruits must answer the call of the Warmaster! Their average vow actually increased in Week 3 and is at par with the AoD-L so the important thing is for new recruits not to lower this in a significant way – or there will be another gap to fill. In short, Week 4 is more crucial for the AoD-T than it is for the Loyalists.
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Well it looks like my expectations have been met, regarding the change to factions this year that is.

 

Given that the varied loyalist chapters generally had decent participation (depending on codex status) with codex marines usually coming very close participant wise to Chaos marines, so combining all these into one faction has lead to them having a virtually unassailable lead.

 

Chaos however hasn't really been affected by the faction change, meaning that we have started heavily on the backfoot.

 

Now I don't want this to be taken as whining, its merely observation.

 

Regardless of the overwhelming odds Chaos will strive, Chaos will fight and whilst we may not get the hallowed 3 in a row, Chaos will make the loyalists bleed for every vow :devil:

 

So let's go everyone, last week of recruitment, get em in!

 

We will corrupt and despoil as many potential loyalists as possible, anyone who is undecided this year needs to do the right thing and join Chaos. We are the party forum, we are the fun and face it everyone else is just soooooo passe ;)

 

So make the only correct and proper choice, devote yourself to the dark gods and win or lose we can dance upon the cadavers of our foes!

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Well, I knew that this might be controversial, and I’m willing to expand on my thinking behind the whole concept - but I’d rather do it after the ETL is over. I will put up a post-ETL discussion thread and I will be happy to discuss and get feedback. :)
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...so combining all these into one faction has lead to them having a virtually unassailable lead.

 

Chaos however hasn't really been affected by the faction change, meaning that we have started heavily on the backfoot.

It's the other way around: Disregarding the pooling of forums into factions, there was no upgrade to the Space Marines: they (Ultramarines, Black Templars and all chapters (excluding the Angels of Death, the Space Wolves and its sole successor) have been thrown together in one forum since ETL III. What has changed is that Chaos got nerfed by pulling apart the marines, daemons, and heretics into separate forums  

 

EDIT: It's ok though - now at least they have a chance to finally win, the poor buggers. :biggrin.:

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Point of order: we're aiming for victory number four. Time to go do some rabble rousing I think...

 

Also Cap, any plans to start doing the leaderboard tables on the weekly roundup again? The Wall O Text is awesome, but having it at a glance would be really handy.

 

Dragonlover

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Point of order: we're aiming for victory number four. Time to go do some rabble rousing I think...

 

Also Cap, any plans to start doing the leaderboard tables on the weekly roundup again? The Wall O Text is awesome, but having it at a glance would be really handy.

 

Dragonlover

4? Did I forget a year?

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Point of order: we're aiming for victory number four. Time to go do some rabble rousing I think...

Also Cap, any plans to start doing the leaderboard tables on the weekly roundup again? The Wall O Text is awesome, but having it at a glance would be really handy.

Dragonlover

Have you ever tried to make a table in the B&C? :lol:

 

Ok, I’ll give it a go in week 4...

 

Edit: the closest equivalent to previous years is the Forum vs. Forum competition- not the Faction vs. Faction. ;)

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Wow, I never thought I'd see the day that Chaos would - instead of plotting, planning, deceiving, cajoling, bargaining and undermining - actually strat making pre-emptory excuses for losing? There must  be a new power in the Realsm of Chaos and a God of Doubt must be awakening!! :whistling: :tongue.: :ph34r.:

 

SG

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Thanks Semper for these reports.

 

I think you may have left a bit of last weeks report in the Daemon summary, that second paragraph to me reads like it is talking about last week. Then again I could just be over tiered and brain addled.

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Wow, I never thought I'd see the day that Chaos would - instead of plotting, planning, deceiving, cajoling, bargaining and undermining - actually strat making pre-emptory excuses for losing? There must be a new power in the Realsm of Chaos and a God of Doubt must be awakening!! :whistling::tongue.::ph34r.:

 

SG

Nothing of the kind, merely acknowledging a tough battle ahead.

 

I would have said worthy foe, but even as a collected rabble you loyalists could hardly be counted as such ;)

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Wow, I never thought I'd see the day that Chaos would - instead of plotting, planning, deceiving, cajoling, bargaining and undermining - actually strat making pre-emptory excuses for losing? There must be a new power in the Realsm of Chaos and a God of Doubt must be awakening!! :whistling::tongue.::ph34r.:

 

SG

There already is a God of Doubt, it's Necoho. Also lets be real, the majority of the Imperial players will get hobby ADD and chase squirrels in the backyard while Chaos finishes the most percentage of vows.

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Thanks Semper for these reports.I think you may have left a bit of last weeks report in the Daemon summary, that second paragraph to me reads like it is talking about last week. Then again I could just be over tiered and brain addled.

You’re right - it’s corrected. Thx!

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In regards to tables: 

 

They were never meant to be used on the forums. When Brother Argos hacked in the special codes for headers and footers (mainly down in the Liber Astartes forum) he also tucked in some code for making tables. That said, it is very time consuming and one little mis-type and your entire table is naffed.

 

It may be more reasonable for Semper to make an image of table he puts together in EXCEL or Google Docs and then just post that image in the thread. 

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Thanks Semper for these reports.I think you may have left a bit of last weeks report in the Daemon summary, that second paragraph to me reads like it is talking about last week. Then again I could just be over tiered and brain addled.

You’re right - it’s corrected. Thx!

Kind sir, dont bother making a table in B&C - just do it in excel and post up a screenshot in the thread! Easy :)

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...so combining all these into one faction has lead to them having a virtually unassailable lead.

 

Chaos however hasn't really been affected by the faction change, meaning that we have started heavily on the backfoot.

It's the other way around: Disregarding the pooling of forums into factions, there was no upgrade to the Space Marines: they (Ultramarines, Black Templars and all chapters (excluding the Angels of Death, the Space Wolves and its sole successor) have been thrown together in one forum since ETL III. What has changed is that Chaos got nerfed by pulling apart the marines, daemons, and heretics into separate forums  

 

EDIT: It's ok though - now at least they have a chance to finally win, the poor buggers. :biggrin.:

 

 

poking the bear :)

 

Sounds like three years of OP combinations leading to victory and finally with the Primarchs return, being forced onto a more equal footing, which is an anathema to Chaos of course ;)

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