Primaris Units/ vehicles, wishtheory list

[Ekim_Trub]

I just want Primaris to get a gunship of some sort so I can justify their use in my Chapter. (They are air assault specialists.)

 

I actually find it ridiculous that Primaris cannot use 'standard' Astartes vehicles- could they not have just lowered the capacity?

[Dracos]

It’s beyond ridiculous. It’s so horrifically stoopid I HAVE to assume there is a game plan to introduce Primaris exclusive vehicles beyond the point piggy Repulsor

[Ishagu]

I'm ok with them not using Rhinos.

 

The be honest I've grown to dislike Rhino chassis vehicles. Small, ugly, and they don't fit the theme of Astartes (I don't care how long they've been a part of the lore for).

 

Marines are supposed to be elites, clad in high grade tech and sporting powerful weapons. Why would they ride around in a mass produced, cheap box? Guard should be using Rhinos. Astartes should be using more sophisticated and powerful transports.

 

I think Primaris should be able to use the Landraider, Spartan, Stormraven and Leviathan.

[Boldthreat]

I'm in step with Ishagu on this. I don't really care for the Rhino either. I love the repulsor, it's just rather expensive points wise. I want to be able to bring more in my army.

 

Give it a deepstrike mechanic with that point reduction I want and you can keep the rhino, predator and the drop pod.

 

Give us the overlord already. Hell I'd kill just to see it right now.

 

Outside of that. I'm set on Primaris Terminators. I don't even know how or why... I just want them.

[autek mor]

if they do make a cheaper transport for the primaris, chances are that it will be a stretch rhino with those anti gravity plates unless forgeworld do something creative but then they will probabbly be either the make the points too low or too high.

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

If/when Primaris get a cheap transport I'm hoping its a fairly costed droppod. I actually really like having a lot of boots on the ground and it gives primaris a unique look compared to most marine armies. 

 

A flyer as either our LOW, or as an alternative option to the repulsor would be cool. But I would prefer that focus remains on infantry.

 

I would also like to see a Gravis squad with a melta style gun. Just a pure anti-armor unit that would really fill a niche for us.

[Ishagu]

If a fully kitted Repulsor lands at the 250 point mark it would be pretty significant. Let's hope CA can make some changes.

[Lemondish]

If a fully kitted Repulsor lands at the 250 point mark it would be pretty significant. Let's hope CA can make some changes.

Absolutely. Right now they can range from 283 to 352, depending on load out. If you could get close to three of them into 750 points, they'd be phenomenally good.

[Guest Triszin]

I'm ok with them not using Rhinos.

 

The be honest I've grown to dislike Rhino chassis vehicles. Small, ugly, and they don't fit the theme of Astartes (I don't care how long they've been a part of the lore for).

 

Marines are supposed to be elites, clad in high grade tech and sporting powerful weapons. Why would they ride around in a mass produced, cheap box? Guard should be using Rhinos. Astartes should be using more sophisticated and powerful transports.

 

I think Primaris should be able to use the Landraider, Spartan, Stormraven and Leviathan.

I am in agreement here.

 

* I think normal marines should be able to embark on primaris vehicles, but I understand primaris inability to embark on most older variants.

---exceptions would be land raider, stormwolf, and bigger transports.

 

I also dont like the design of most of the older marine vehciles, as I always thought marine vehicles should've been grav, and all the tracks belong to astra militarum

[Panzer]

I like Marine vehicles on tracks. A lot actually since it adds to their more brutal aesthetic compared to the AM transports. It also neatly differentiates human factions from xenos factions who all have all grav and no tracks or wheels.

The Repulsor does a good job copying that brutal aesthetic with a grav theme tho imo so that's fine in my book. It'd be nice if GW would add some special rule to differentiate from proper anti-grav and repulsor technology tho since according to the fluff you really don't want to hover over your own guys with repulsor technology lol. Not being able to ignore your own models in the movement phase and dealing damage when moving over enemy units would go a long way to make it feel like it's actually something different as it should be.

 

 

As for other vehicles ... I somehow doubt a cheap transport was included in GWs Primaris plans. Just a feel I have. However if they decide to release one I'd be as happy as anyone else! Oh and about Drop Pods, it sounds like fluff-wise they replaced the old Marines use for Drop Pods with Inceptors considering both drop from orbit and have a low profile to survive intercepting fire.

 

The only "vehicle" I'd love to see would be repulsor bikes. They would fill a role of the only actually fast unit in a Primaris army (Inceptors only have M10) and GW could double their purpose by making them a melee unit.

[Guest Triszin]

I like Marine vehicles on tracks. A lot actually since it adds to their more brutal aesthetic compared to the AM transports. It also neatly differentiates human factions from xenos factions who all have all grav and no tracks or wheels.

The Repulsor does a good job copying that brutal aesthetic with a grav theme tho imo so that's fine in my book. It'd be nice if GW would add some special rule to differentiate from proper anti-grav and repulsor technology tho since according to the fluff you really don't want to hover over your own guys with repulsor technology lol. Not being able to ignore your own models in the movement phase and dealing damage when moving over enemy units would go a long way to make it feel like it's actually something different as it should be.

 

 

As for other vehicles ... I somehow doubt a cheap transport was included in GWs Primaris plans. Just a feel I have. However if they decide to release one I'd be as happy as anyone else! Oh and about Drop Pods, it sounds like fluff-wise they replaced the old Marines use for Drop Pods with Inceptors considering both drop from orbit and have a low profile to survive intercepting fire.

 

The only "vehicle" I'd love to see would be repulsor bikes. They would fill a role of the only actually fast unit in a Primaris army (Inceptors only have M10) and GW could double their purpose by making them a melee unit.

true, but I would want "Repulsor Bikes" to be more than just that.

 

some weird hybrid of a hunterkiller rhino and a razorback and a custode bike but in "bike form".

 

Lance wielding primaris, and a mounted turret that has either las rippers or mini icarus cannon/mini missle system.

 

 

 

heck.

 

Maybe you slap a Melta Lance/macro las destroyer on the bike, and the bike is built around the gun like a a-10 is.

then give a small turret on the bike, with a melee option for the biker.

[Panzer]

Sounds good to me! ^^

[autek mor]

a 250 point repulsor would be fair. only thing missing is a killy melee unit to put in it or at least allow the "smaller" non primaris marines to ride in it until a good primaris melee unit is introduced or agressors and reivers get buffs.

[Dracos]

Primaris Thermal Spears on Grav Bikes T5 3W 3A , 12" fly move , assault 3d6

[spessmarine]

Grav vehicles is already pretty covered by Xenos.

Not really attached to the Rhino/Predator though. A plastic variant based off Sicarans would be my preference.

[Ishagu]

I use Sicarans with my Primaris and they look awesome next to them. A lot more fitting, size wise.

 

I'd love a hover Sicaran variant for the Primaris, in plastic.

[Guest MistaGav]

Here's what I'm thinking for something that could solve all of those issues at the same time. Rapid assault craft thing like a baby repulsor being smaller in points and size, can take 6 troops (5 marines + character or 3 Gravis). 12" movement, can deep strike and armed with Onslaught Gatling cannon (or mini one) or a Las ripper. Fast attack unit and comes in squads of 1-3. I think that just about covers the main core issues.

[Lemondish]

Here's what I'm thinking for something that could solve all of those issues at the same time. Rapid assault craft thing like a baby repulsor being smaller in points and size, can take 6 troops (5 marines + character or 3 Gravis). 12" movement, can deep strike and armed with Onslaught Gatling cannon (or mini one) or a Las ripper. Fast attack unit and comes in squads of 1-3. I think that just about covers the main core issues.

Did you ever play Killzone 2? Your idea immediately had me thinking about the landing craft in that game's initial invasion sequence.

 

This thing: http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/killzone/images/d/d3/ISA_Intruder.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100821211632

 

Which is to say, I love your idea but immediately thought it should be open topped with deep strike, kind of like a drop pod/Razorback combo.

 

As far as my wishlist goes - I've started wanting more Primaris stratagems with flavour. I don't think it would be all that effective, but thought it would be cool if onslaught cannons could fire defensively like a CIWS for point defense, intercepting shots and protecting a 9" bubble for models wholly within.

 

But then I remembered nobody uses missiles :(

[Guest Triszin]

Here's what I'm thinking for something that could solve all of those issues at the same time. Rapid assault craft thing like a baby repulsor being smaller in points and size, can take 6 troops (5 marines + character or 3 Gravis). 12" movement, can deep strike and armed with Onslaught Gatling cannon (or mini one) or a Las ripper. Fast attack unit and comes in squads of 1-3. I think that just about covers the main core issues.

sounds like a slightly smaller stormfang, but for primaris

 

6 troops transport

2 lascannons/missles

2 dual bolters/meltas/missles

1 helfrost destructor

[Xisor]

Something along these lines, perhaps?

 

Landspeeder Storm, notionally, but for Primaris rather than Scouts.

 

E.g. Light, chunky like a small Repulsor, maybe a top-mounted gun (Sicaran) rather than underslung/pintle (Landspeeders) , but also effectively fairly small relative to a Repulsor.

 

Maybe a six-seater, like a Razorback/Stormfang, but floaty. And more aesthetically akin to the heavier/bigger vehicles (Land Raider, Repulsor, Sicaran).

 

That could also go hand in hand with 'Repulsor bikes' - maybe leaning into the MkIV/Scout bike aesthetic, rather than the Custodes 'heavy bikes'. More in common with the stripped-down Reaver MkX plate?

 

I was always fond of the HH tracked bikes in look, but something vaguely similar, but more in keeping with 'Reavers on a Repulsor engine' might make it look fine.

 

Call them Charioteers or something, where part of their strong melee ability comes from their Repulsor-tech on the bikes themselves, rather than oodles of fancy weapons.

 

Thay would differentiate them significantly from existing bikes?

 

As for their guns? Marines don't have many sources of grav guns - maybe the grav bikers have grav guns?

[Guest Triszin]

Something along these lines, perhaps?

 

Landspeeder Storm, notionally, but for Primaris rather than Scouts.

 

E.g. Light, chunky like a small Repulsor, maybe a top-mounted gun (Sicaran) rather than underslung/pintle (Landspeeders) , but also effectively fairly small relative to a Repulsor.

 

Maybe a six-seater, like a Razorback/Stormfang, but floaty. And more aesthetically akin to the heavier/bigger vehicles (Land Raider, Repulsor, Sicaran).

 

That could also go hand in hand with 'Repulsor bikes' - maybe leaning into the MkIV/Scout bike aesthetic, rather than the Custodes 'heavy bikes'. More in common with the stripped-down Reaver MkX plate?

 

I was always fond of the HH tracked bikes in look, but something vaguely similar, but more in keeping with 'Reavers on a Repulsor engine' might make it look fine.

 

Call them Charioteers or something, where part of their strong melee ability comes from their Repulsor-tech on the bikes themselves, rather than oodles of fancy weapons.

 

Thay would differentiate them significantly from existing bikes?

 

As for their guns? Marines don't have many sources of grav guns - maybe the grav bikers have grav guns?

 

so just mash a drop pod, landspeeder and razor back together, all with repulsor plating?

 

sounds amazing. =D

[Guest MistaGav]

 

Here's what I'm thinking for something that could solve all of those issues at the same time. Rapid assault craft thing like a baby repulsor being smaller in points and size, can take 6 troops (5 marines + character or 3 Gravis). 12" movement, can deep strike and armed with Onslaught Gatling cannon (or mini one) or a Las ripper. Fast attack unit and comes in squads of 1-3. I think that just about covers the main core issues.

sounds like a slightly smaller stormfang, but for primaris

 

6 troops transport

2 lascannons/missles

2 dual bolters/meltas/missles

1 helfrost destructor

 

Yea essentially and as you've said, a mish-mash of a drop pod, Land speeder and Razorback. Solves the Primaris problems of fast attack & cheap transport with deep strike and some anti infantry/armour ability too.

 

Personally I'm really not enamored on the idea of primaris jet bikes. I've got plenty in Custodes bikes now and just the idea sounds pretty cliche and unoriginal. I'd rather something a bit more different and unique.

[Lemondish]

Something along these lines, perhaps?

 

Landspeeder Storm, notionally, but for Primaris rather than Scouts.

 

E.g. Light, chunky like a small Repulsor, maybe a top-mounted gun (Sicaran) rather than underslung/pintle (Landspeeders) , but also effectively fairly small relative to a Repulsor.

 

Maybe a six-seater, like a Razorback/Stormfang, but floaty. And more aesthetically akin to the heavier/bigger vehicles (Land Raider, Repulsor, Sicaran).

 

That could also go hand in hand with 'Repulsor bikes' - maybe leaning into the MkIV/Scout bike aesthetic, rather than the Custodes 'heavy bikes'. More in common with the stripped-down Reaver MkX plate?

 

I was always fond of the HH tracked bikes in look, but something vaguely similar, but more in keeping with 'Reavers on a Repulsor engine' might make it look fine.

 

Call them Charioteers or something, where part of their strong melee ability comes from their Repulsor-tech on the bikes themselves, rather than oodles of fancy weapons.

 

Thay would differentiate them significantly from existing bikes?

 

As for their guns? Marines don't have many sources of grav guns - maybe the grav bikers have grav guns?

 

Charioteer sounds a bit too lighthearted, but the idea is sound. 

 

All the Primaris unit names hint at what they should actually be doing, it's sadly just that they aren't particularly great at it. Inceptors are the introduction, Aggressors are all about overwhelming firepower, Intercessors are meant to intervene and get in the way, Reivers are meant to be raiders, the Repulsor repulses, Gravis are heavy, and Redemptors save things, I guess? With bullets? Unclear.  

 

Biggest problem is that they don't all do a great job of their namesake. Inceptors without turn 1 deep strike need to be faster to achieve their role as the fast attack first wave. Aggressors could probably benefit from a bit more durability for their cost, just like all Primaris to be honest. Intercessors could benefit from being better screens, largely because they're not as resilient when nearly all of the best weapons that kill them super easily cost less than they do. Reivers are an okay bully unit, but like all Primaris, are a bit too expensive for what they bring. They could do that raiding job better if the grenade effect lasted longer, the LD debuff was more pronounced, and if the knife had some AP (like a mini power sword at AP -2). Repulsors kind of already do the thing they're meant to do, but I think it should probably come with mortal wounds on a charge from it as well, or via stratagem to allow the effect to expand to nearby units. Redemptors should probably just be better. Able to move and fire without penalty, cheaper, etc. Their namesake implies saving another - the only way I could see that making sense is if they just ended up being Primaris Deredeos. Which isn't the worst thing, come to think of it...

 

Which makes me think, what's left? We have a unit that handles the party introduction, one that brings the hors d'oeuvres, some ushers, some side entertainment, a big pinata, and a few anchors. What's missing?

[Panzer]

Redemptors save things, I guess? With bullets? Unclear.  

 

They are about Redemption. They give Marines a second chance at doing their job. ;)

 

About the jack of all trades vehicle mentioned above ... eh. When it can do all that and still has decent firepower it'll be way too expensive all offer again.

[spessmarine]

I use Sicarans with my Primaris and they look awesome next to them. A lot more fitting, size wise.

 

I'd love a hover Sicaran variant for the Primaris, in plastic.

 

I don't understand why several of you want hover stuff. Guess that'll just be differing opinions