HighMarshalAmp Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Not even redundant, really - Infiltrators seem to fill a Troop slot, they can use Concealed Positions, they can pop smoke and they have their own pet Apothecary. Intercessors have 30" AP -1 Bolters. It seems that Infiltrators are plain better. I felt that Intercessors were a solid alternative to Scouts or the better choice even for some playstyles. Now Infiltrators can do the best of both worlds. Have those that had replaced the Tac Squads now been replaced themselves? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354353-intercessors-redundant-already/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Intercessors have better guns, grenade launchers and access to decent melee weapons. They're probably going to be cheaper too. So no, I think they have their place still. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354353-intercessors-redundant-already/#findComment-5270990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Intercessors have better guns, grenade launchers and access to decent melee weapons. They're probably going to be cheaper too. So no, I think they have their place still. All of this. They're consistent and will probably be cheaper in pts to boot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354353-intercessors-redundant-already/#findComment-5270991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Dunno, I for one have to see the points for Infiltrators first but so far I prefer Intercessors over Infiltrators or a mix of both. Infiltrators are clearly INFERIOR as soon as your opponent has melee units as you don't want to deploy them within charge range just like that and the Sergeant doesn't have access to power weapons either. Also the Bolter Discipline beta rule makes Intercessors double tap at 30" range which makes them superior at shooting as well without even considering their Auxilliary Grenade Launcher yet. Infiltration is great but it's not the be all end all, the anti deep strike bubble is overvalued imo as the default bubble is already huge and it seems the pet apothecary requires them to be a unit of 10 which makes them less flexible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354353-intercessors-redundant-already/#findComment-5271049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Not passing judgement until the next codex. For all we know Intercessors will get even cheaper. It's clear this is just the iceberg of wave 2 and the next book. There are now 8 unique units not included in the codex so it's time for a new one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354353-intercessors-redundant-already/#findComment-5271050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Agreed. I’m looking at developing a 2-1 ratio of Infiltrators to intercessors because ... Corax ;) On the other hand when (not if) a light Primaris transport comes out that could easily flip 1-2 ... all of which depends on point cost and hope for a gravis-jump melee unit and Captain at some point also. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354353-intercessors-redundant-already/#findComment-5271051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Race Bannon Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Not passing judgement until the next codex. For all we know Intercessors will get even cheaper. It's clear this is just the iceberg of wave 2 and the next book. There are now 8 unique units not included in the codex so it's time for a new one. When the OldMarines get phased out? Oh, I went there. :P Seriously though, I agree. Intercessors will still have their place in Primaris lists for sure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354353-intercessors-redundant-already/#findComment-5271055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exilyth Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 [sarcasm] Looking at the rules for infiltrators, GW is clearly intending to phase out intercessors before old marines. [/sarcasm] On a more serious note, we won't be able to know until we get to see the point costs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354353-intercessors-redundant-already/#findComment-5271135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Yes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354353-intercessors-redundant-already/#findComment-5271203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Unless Infiltrators are very very cheap, they will find it very difficult to make it into lists outside Primaris themes and certainly not competitively. It's funny as folk criticise Tactical Marines for having weak weapons and the Infiltrators have the same bar the odd negligible auto wounding hit, yet not specials or heavies or combi weapons. Scouts are cheaper. They are the screen and dropping down within 12" isn't such an issue anyway when Scouts are cheap to die anyway. It's just more points on a screen. Intercessor squads will still be better. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354353-intercessors-redundant-already/#findComment-5271214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruor Vault Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Unless Infiltrators are very very cheap, they will find it very difficult to make it into lists outside Primaris themes and certainly not competitively. It's funny as folk criticise Tactical Marines for having weak weapons and the Infiltrators have the same bar the odd negligible auto wounding hit, yet not specials or heavies or combi weapons. Scouts are cheaper. They are the screen and dropping down within 12" isn't such an issue anyway when Scouts are cheap to die anyway. It's just more points on a screen. Intercessor squads will still be better. Assuming PL>pts conversions are about the same for Infiltrators as they are for Intercessors, Infiltrators will replace Scouts in a competitive setting. Flat out stopping DS charges is HUGE. The increased cost is a bargain for all the improvements they have over Scouts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354353-intercessors-redundant-already/#findComment-5271221 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 I don't see how stopping those charges is at all relevant when the most powerful armies don't rely on those charges due to screens? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354353-intercessors-redundant-already/#findComment-5271274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Are Infiltrators a Troop choice in the FOC ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354353-intercessors-redundant-already/#findComment-5271276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttoVonAwesome Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Don't forget the strategems intercessors can use too. Scions of guilliman for example. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354353-intercessors-redundant-already/#findComment-5271282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Are Infiltrators a Troop choice in the FOC ? Yes, they have symbol of troop choice (triangle) next to their powerlevel rating on the datasheet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354353-intercessors-redundant-already/#findComment-5271284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMarsh Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Before all the deep strike nerfs, yes, the 12' bubble would have been amazing. As it is, still good, still helpful- but I wasn't losing or being seriously threatened by turn 2 deep strike charges before the Infiltrators anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354353-intercessors-redundant-already/#findComment-5271321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disruptor_fe404 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 I have serious doubts about Infiltrators being cheaper than Intercessors, as the combination of infiltration and deep strike denial is unique enough to be expensive. That being said, they are much more appealing to me than Intercessors have been so far, so I'm planning to trial two squads of six (five plus helix adept). The question will be whether the deep strike denial will be worth the difference in points cost rather than running more Scout squads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354353-intercessors-redundant-already/#findComment-5271331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 I have serious doubts about Infiltrators being cheaper than Intercessors, as the combination of infiltration and deep strike denial is unique enough to be expensive. That being said, they are much more appealing to me than Intercessors have been so far, so I'm planning to trial two squads of six (five plus helix adept). The question will be whether the deep strike denial will be worth the difference in points cost rather than running more Scout squads. Pretty sure the adept is only an option in squads of 10. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354353-intercessors-redundant-already/#findComment-5271352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Actually it only states that the squad can take up to 4 additional infilitrators and 1 helix adept. It does not list getting the 4 additional infiltrators as pre-requirement to unlock the adept. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354353-intercessors-redundant-already/#findComment-5271369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy-inquisitor Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Intercessors have better guns, grenade launchers and access to decent melee weapons. They're probably going to be cheaper too. So no, I think they have their place still. Veteran Intercessors can also put out a surprisingly effective hail of shot at 30" with the bolter beta rule for horde clearance. I'm not in a hurry to sell my Intercessors but I can see a use for a couple of units of Infiltrators in a game with GSC in it (not to mention Assassins). Why not take a brigade and have both? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354353-intercessors-redundant-already/#findComment-5271374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmapa Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Without the Adept the max squad size of Infiltrators is 9 since the Adept is a separate option and not an upgrade to an existing Infiltrator. So you can have 5 man plus an adept or 9 man plus an adept. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354353-intercessors-redundant-already/#findComment-5271375 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevak Dal Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Eh, I think intercessors look cooler (though the new vanguard seem to have less pirate boot look to them than reivers). Still think a 30k legion force using Primaris as a basis would be very pretty. (Thinking World Eaters) I'm guessing they probably won't be updating Killteam anytime soon? I've had fun making a space marine (loyalists) roster with 20 guys with all the options. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354353-intercessors-redundant-already/#findComment-5271387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 So you can have 5 man plus an adept or 9 man plus an adept. And anything in between. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354353-intercessors-redundant-already/#findComment-5271401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Angel Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 The 9+adept is probably just for the box release, as they don't have the option for you to take 10 without the adept. It will probably be changed when the full rules come out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354353-intercessors-redundant-already/#findComment-5271421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disruptor_fe404 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Pretty sure the adept is only an option in squads of 10. Actually it only states that the squad can take up to 4 additional infilitrators and 1 helix adept. It does not list getting the 4 additional infiltrators as pre-requirement to unlock the adept. This. "It can include up to 4 additional Infiltrators and an Infiltrator Helix Adept." I will thus include 0 additional Infiltrators and an Infiltrator Helix Adept. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354353-intercessors-redundant-already/#findComment-5271452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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