Discussion on the new C:SM & Possible BT supplement

[Ciler]

That said, I think it's pretty close to unforgivable that there are no proper CC primaris units yet, from that perspective I think it was a mistake that wave 2.0 was phobos instead of what I hope (without real justification) wave 3.0 will be, both heavier armor and close combat.

IMO, the question of a stabby unit other than reavers is a matter of when, more than a matter of if. They'll happen eventually.

 

I'll also join you in saying that templars can be shooty. I'm looking at agressors in that regard since they are both shooty and decent in CC (unlike centurions) thanks to their power fists. The only "downside" (if you want to call it that) compared to a chapter like IF, CF or UM is that our chapter tactics doesn't really do anything for shootyness.

[Marshal Reinhard]

After a dedicated light transport vehicle,i think "close combat Primarii" have been at the top of the list of what people have said Primaris need the most. 

 

main battle tank box has also been recently ticked. So we can hope they tick this one soone rather than later

[Sete]

I think most of our problems can be solved with just 2 units added to primaris.

Obviously I'm talking on a primaris point of view.

 

Intercessor Crusader Squads, and Primaris Sword Bros.

 

I agree with Reinhard that BT aren't a pure CC army, but do favour that approach.

That's why an Elite Sword Bros unit for choppiness and Intercessor crusader squads would give us a lot of flexibility.

To be honest Intercessors with the new Angels of Death Rule are pretty flexible already. I will be giving all sargents power swords.

 

Throw in some Primaris Sword Bros to go in with HQ units and it's done really.

In my opinion obviously.

[Marshal Rohr]

You don't even need two units, you need an Intercessor squad that comes with Bolt Rifles and Pistols as basic gear, and then can replace the Bolt Rifles with a stalker, auto-bolter, or chainsword; OR each model can be upgraded with a combat blade or chainsword. Then you make a Sword Brethren Detachment that allows intercessor squads to become veterans the way Indomitus Crusaders do, and they get the Sword Brethren buffs. You just paint them differently. 

[Medjugorje]

Just a option for chainswords for intercessors. Indomitus Crusader and then we have a unit with Helbrecht that already kick ass!!! If there is a ability to make them -1 AP then we need nothing else^^  Maybe our Terminators to hit hard against Vehicles. 

 

MAYBE (just a hope)... we get all from Vigilus in a better form or with another keyword. 

[Marshal Reinhard]

I'd even just take an upgrade kit for the current intercessor kit (it would have to be more involved than the standard primaris upgrade sprue though, and i want one of those too) complete with, tabards, chains, bearded heads (can never have enough of those) and most important of all the potential to equip more than just a single guy with close combat weapon. A dedicated sword brother kit would be neccessary though, simple upgrade wouldn't do.

 

Give me all that and our 3 characters, and I'll be soooo set.

[Sete]

I need some proper info, all this speculation and waiting is killing me

[Marshal Reinhard]

when does the daily tease come up? Not that i think it'll shed light on our situation in particular

[Acebaur]

If the litanies are similar in nature to the chaos prayers, I wonder if GW would allow our EC to also have access to them as a new form of his old vows

[Marshal Reinhard]

I kind of doubt it, that's gonna be the purview of chaplains only, methinks.

 

Champions vows shouldn't really be something active anyway, its something you decided on beforehand and then prayed and psyched yourself up for. While out on the field, the champion should be singularly focused on being an engine of destruction and cutting short the threads of enemy champions.

[Medjugorje]

I kind of doubt it, that's gonna be the purview of chaplains only, methinks.

 

Champions vows shouldn't really be something active anyway, its something you decided on beforehand and then prayed and psyched yourself up for. While out on the field, the champion should be singularly focused on being an engine of destruction and cutting short the threads of enemy champions.

maybe as stratagem before the game as a stetic aura buff... 

[balordazul]

Just going to keep an eye on this. 

 

I have a lot of opinions on this and mostly on the frustrated side but I have been waiting years so what is a little longer.  I will say that GW has gotten far less of my hobby budget over the last few years based off of pricing and corporate choices.  

One nice thing is that we have some outstanding BT communities online here and FB.

[Medjugorje]

WOW - now we have -1 AP with ALL Attacks if we want.

[Marshal Vespasian]

So round 1 heavy weapons buffed

Round 2 Bolter buffed, which is good because my dudes will disembark rhinos and get their charge on.

Round 4 melee buffed. Axes are imho now better than swords or at least from this round onwards. We would Profit from the AP Bonus falling into round two, as that is where we's most likely try for our charges.

 

Edit: if I was a betting man I'd guess that there will be a stratagem that lets us switch doctrines prematurely.

[Sword Brother Adelard]

Did you see that new Assault Vehicle ability? Please, please please let that not just be restricted to the Impulsor.

[Sword Brother Adelard]

Also, with those combat doctrines, we can really bring the pain. We already castled pretty well with the Helm buffing re-rolls for 18 inches, if storm of fire is still a thing our devastator and tactical phases will be ridiculous. Then we pile in at the end for a good old bust up!

[Medjugorje]

Did you see that new Assault Vehicle ability? Please, please please let that not just be restricted to the Impulsor.

you cannot charge after disembarking by this special rule. The rumor said that Aggressors cannot embark in this vehicle... Ther was nothing about that in the WarhammerCommunity Article.

[Marshal Reinhard]

My biggest take away from the latest article, together with something Jes said in one of his podcast interviews, is that we can probably expect something similiar with Gravis or Omnis pattern armor (or some other pattern) whenever they get around to their next wave.

[Sword Brother Adelard]

 

 

Did you see that new Assault Vehicle ability? Please, please please let that not just be restricted to the Impulsor.

you cannot charge after disembarking by this special rule. The rumor said that Aggressors cannot embark in this vehicle... Ther was nothing about that in the WarhammerCommunity Article.

Still we can shoot, it's great for taking objectives. And if we get charged we still get +1 attack.

[TheOneTrueZon]

I need these haywire bombs. BRING THEM TO MY BOTTLENECK OF ASSAULT DOOM

[redmapa]

Only thing that Im kind of bummed about is that the Warsuit has Heavy weapons so they will all get a penalty when moving and that it seems he cant double up on power fists but thats not really a huge issue, just a slight change of tactics.

 

Everything looks good, we are still missing Litanies so thats even more good stuff! I already have a planned list of nothing but Primaris so its just 3 layers of Infantry squads and Dreadnoughts. Its going to be so good.

[Marshal Vespasian]

Oh yes I have seen that. I want that on landraider so bad

[Medjugorje]

If there is a Stratagem or lithanies of battle will bring us faster into combat (+1 to charge moves for example)... Templars  could go nasty.  With Terminators we will kill a knight easy

[Marshal Vespasian]

I feel like kitbashing another crusader with a heavy bolter right now. But I propably should Refrain from buying and building until this whole thing is done being teased.

[Acebaur]

The doctrines are all good buffs, I'm disappointed in the implementation of them though. Having to wait until turn 3 to change to assault is a bit annoying.