Pyschic Awakening: Speculation

[Guest Triszin]

You know the more I think about it, the more it makes sense.

 

Russ comes back as a guide and mentor for human psykers, leading humanities evolution.

 

A complete 180 from The heresey.

[Sete]

The lack of DA on PA so far is telling.

BA with Mephiston.

SW with Ragnar

If anything I will see the Lion back first due to recent DA fluff developments.

 

Although I don't believe we will see a loyalist Primarch for a long time.

And I bet some people wont like my reasoning why it is so.

Edited November 7, 2019 by Sete

[Archaeinox]

Russ the statesman.. I like it... 

[Guest Triszin]

The lack of DA on PA so far is telling.

BA with Mephiston.

SW with Ragnar

If anything I will see the Lion back first due to recent DA fluff developments.

 

Although I don't believe we will see a loyalist Primarch for a long time.

And I bet some people wont like my reasoning why it is so.

There's always the chance the loyalists get bumped to 3 fairly quickly. With Primarcg tiered threats appearing from all species.

[Karhedron]

Although I don't believe we will see a loyalist Primarch for a long time.

And I bet some people wont like my reasoning why it is so.

GW seem quite content with the status quo seeing Guilliman as the embattled man-out-of-time.

[Panzer]

The lack of DA on PA so far is telling.

BA with Mephiston.

SW with Ragnar

If anything I will see the Lion back first due to recent DA fluff developments.

 

Although I don't believe we will see a loyalist Primarch for a long time.

And I bet some people wont like my reasoning why it is so.

 

I don't think it's that telling. We only know about four books so far and have no clue how many more books GW is going to do just that there will be more. PA5 already could be about DA with a character of your choice.

[Marshal Loss]

^yep. This is just turning into the usual Primarch wishlisting circus

[ERJAK]

^yep. This is just turning into the usual Primarch wishlisting circus

Which I don't really get. We've had 3 primarchs so far and every single one has followed the exact same pattern:

 

Model is released, everyone oohs and ahhs if it's chaos or talks about how forgeworld's are better if it's imperial.

Model is overtuned on release, people complain about seeing primarchs on every table.

Model is nerfed, people keep complaining about primarchs on every table.

Model is nerfed again, people keep complaining about primarchs being OP despite no one actually having seen one in months.

People keep complaining about primarchs ruining the game while also desperately wishlisting for primarchs for...reasons?

 

Girlyman was the longest cycle but he still DID go through the whole progression.

 

If your primarch of choice comes out, it'll be the same thing. I guess those first few months would be nice and they usually make for decent display pieces but a lot of things could do that and not have such constrained design paradigms. I'm still salty about not actually getting Space Wolves war Mammoths.

[Sete]

I will be proven right in the end. ;)

[DeadFingers]

There are tons of people in the hobby that collect and paint but don't play, or that play but also have models they never put on a table. I myself haven't played in a long time due to time constraints, and the time that I do have for the hobby I prefer to spend building and painting as I find it more fulfilling. And even then I have multiple models from factions I don't even have armies for, just because the models are nice. Jain Zar and potentially Ghaz will join them eventually.

 

A Primarch being released is an event for the model alone, everything else is just frosting on that cake. I'm sure there are lots of people out there that would like to see a Primarch beyond Guilliman just because they're not fans of the blueberries and would like to see the big daddy (or rough equivalent) of their faction of choice, even if they never field the model. And that's just on the loyalist side of things, Traitor Primarchs are a whole other mess of turnips. And let's not even get started on Primarch-equivalents for non-Astartes factions or we might be here all day.

 

In other words, people can complain about Primarchs and also wish for Primarchs because, well, different people want different things, but those who wish for Primarchs don't necessarily have to do so with rules in mind.

Edited November 7, 2019 by DeadFingers

[Panzer]

 

^yep. This is just turning into the usual Primarch wishlisting circus

 

Which I don't really get. We've had 3 primarchs so far and every single one has followed the exact same pattern:

 

Model is released, everyone oohs and ahhs if it's chaos or talks about how forgeworld's are better if it's imperial.

Model is overtuned on release, people complain about seeing primarchs on every table.

Model is nerfed, people keep complaining about primarchs on every table.

Model is nerfed again, people keep complaining about primarchs being OP despite no one actually having seen one in months.

People keep complaining about primarchs ruining the game while also desperately wishlisting for primarchs for...reasons?

 

Girlyman was the longest cycle but he still DID go through the whole progression.

 

If your primarch of choice comes out, it'll be the same thing. I guess those first few months would be nice and they usually make for decent display pieces but a lot of things could do that and not have such constrained design paradigms. I'm still salty about not actually getting Space Wolves war Mammoths.

Aka people complain no matter what. Especially on the internet.

However you forgot to mention the people who didn't complain about the Primarchs and were instead celebrating them. And the people who play units that aren't competetive simply because they like them. Not everyone tries to win tournaments. ;)

[betrayer41]

 

 

^yep. This is just turning into the usual Primarch wishlisting circus

Which I don't really get. We've had 3 primarchs so far and every single one has followed the exact same pattern:

 

Model is released, everyone oohs and ahhs if it's chaos or talks about how forgeworld's are better if it's imperial.

Model is overtuned on release, people complain about seeing primarchs on every table.

Model is nerfed, people keep complaining about primarchs on every table.

Model is nerfed again, people keep complaining about primarchs being OP despite no one actually having seen one in months.

People keep complaining about primarchs ruining the game while also desperately wishlisting for primarchs for...reasons?

 

Girlyman was the longest cycle but he still DID go through the whole progression.

 

If your primarch of choice comes out, it'll be the same thing. I guess those first few months would be nice and they usually make for decent display pieces but a lot of things could do that and not have such constrained design paradigms. I'm still salty about not actually getting Space Wolves war Mammoths.

Aka people complain no matter what. Especially on the internet.

However you forgot to mention the people who didn't complain about the Primarchs and were instead celebrating them. And the people who play units that aren't competetive simply because they like them. Not everyone tries to win tournaments.

 

 

If Angron ever gets released I dont care how bad he is i'll use him.  I am a sucker for lore/fluffy character models ahah

[Sete]

GW already shot my horse on this PA race, so I'm not too bothered about other primarch coming or not. I just think that Guilliman will hog the spotlight for a while longer on the loyalist side.

 

With the amount of Fulgrim references you see around, I expect he will be the next one.

Edited November 7, 2019 by Sete

[bevulf]

GW should release Fulgrim na Angron before any loyalist primarch. Chaos should be overwhelming the Galaxy even more than now. Than the Lion can awake.

 

Also we will probably be seeing 30k Lion somewhere around march/april next year so i do not see any space for 40k one

Edited November 7, 2019 by bevulf

[DeadFingers]

GW should release Fulgrim na Angron before any loyalist primarch. Chaos should be overwhelming the Galaxy even more than now. Than the Lion can awake.

 

Also we will probably be seeing 30k Lion somewhere around march/april next year so i do not see any space for 40k one

40k Magnus was released before Horus Heresy Magnus, so I don't think Forge World releases are a factor here.

 

And the Lion awakening will probably come with a narrative involving the Fallen, rather than the Daemon Primarchs.

[DeadFingers]

You seem very sure about what other people might or might not do with their models and what their opinions and those of their friends and opponents might or might not be.

 

And also very sure that the only reason someone would ever want a model is to field it.

[bevulf]

 

 

GW should release Fulgrim na Angron before any loyalist primarch. Chaos should be overwhelming the Galaxy even more than now. Than the Lion can awake.

 

Also we will probably be seeing 30k Lion somewhere around march/april next year so i do not see any space for 40k one

40k Magnus was released before Horus Heresy Magnus, so I don't think Forge World releases are a factor here.

 

And the Lion awakening will probably come with a narrative involving the Fallen, rather than the Daemon Primarchs.

I wrote generally of the primarchs release. Fallen/Lion is an obvious thing.

[SickSix]

The only way Russ comes back is as a Giant Wulfen that the Khan rides out of the subway.

 

The Lion should be next. He provides the best rival to Rowboat.

[Guest]

The only way Russ comes back is as a Giant Wulfen that the Khan rides out of the subway.

The Lion should be next. He provides the best rival to Rowboat.

Tell me, how does one that does not have the Canis Helix become a wulfen?

[Ciler]

Tell me, how does one that does not have the Canis Helix become a wulfen?

Is that a fact ?

[sairence]

Can we settle down with the passive aggressive snapping about who plays their models how please?

[Guest]

 

Tell me, how does one that does not have the Canis Helix become a wulfen?

Is that a fact ?

Yes. From Simon Grant:

 

"...and if/when Russ returns, he certainly shouldn't be a Wulfen. What most people get confused with is the difference between the Mark of the Wulfen and the Curse of the Wulfen. The Mark is more to do with Russ’ genetic legacy, so you can have Blood Claws that grow canines worthy of a Long Fang, and warriors that are more hirsute, or grow enormous in size (like Haegr and Ranulf the Strong). The Curse of the Wulfen is more of a spiritual curse that originated with Wulfen himself."

 

Additionally the Canis Helix resides in the Cup of Wulfen, which was made after the founding of Russ, and the cause of the first Wulfen. It was made by the Emperor himself for Russ to give to his warriors, however he never partook of it. Any legionaries before this did not have the canis helix.

Edited November 8, 2019 by Jarl Caldersson

[Sete]

So one can assume new SW sucessors dont necessarily have wulfen right?

[Guest]

So one can assume new SW sucessors dont necessarily have wulfen right?

If they don't partake of the cup of wulfen, then no. However then they have the raw geneseed of Russ and will be as bloodythirsty as the legionaries, which was WE levels. However I think this should be another topic.

 

 

I will say this, everyone is talking about SW getting a new model, what of it is actually the Orks are getting models and SW get nothing. So far it looks like BA are getting mephiston, but tyranids nothing. Could the table be reversed and the Xeno's receive new models.

[DeadFingers]

I will say this, everyone is talking about SW getting a new model, what of it is actually the Orks are getting models and SW get nothing. So far it looks like BA are getting mephiston, but tyranids nothing. Could the table be reversed and the Xeno's receive new models.

It's because the French rumours specifically said "Ragnar Vs. Ghaz", and so far everything they've said has been correct, so the inclination is to believe them. Plus Ragnar's model is in that Abaddon/Mephiston age range where its retirement is becoming inevitable. Ghaz is getting on in years too.