New Mephiston/Psychic awakening p3

[dread05]

 

 

 

Some stratagems for classic marines for example, like "gravitic amplification" or a better Sanguinary Priest.

 

Well they did say there would be an updated datasheet for Sangunary Priest, which I find fascinating - I didn't think there was anything that needed changing on him.

 

Did apothecaries get anything in Codex: Space Marines? 

 

 

i am wondering if our priests will get litanies or a specific litany or something - fits the priest angle. Can't imagine what else it could be. Or maybe artificer armour as the model so clearly has it?

 

 

How do litanies fit the sanguinary priest angle exactly?

[redshadow]

They (sanguinary priests) use to give a similar re-rolls to hit or wound like chaplains in 3rd, because the chaplains were busy with the death company the sanguinary priest took some of their duties/roles

 

So priest litanies are a possibility

Edited November 27, 2019 by redshadow

[Panzer]

Could we stop the Primaris whining? The train has already left the station and it's pretty offtopic.

[dread05]

Yea but right now there is a distinction between a chaplain and a death company chaplain. I doubt they will do anything based on lore that existed 20 years ago. 

[appiah4]

Yea but right now there is a distinction between a chaplain and a death company chaplain. I doubt they will do anything based on lore that existed 20 years ago. 

 

They made a Mephiston model based on a drawing from 20 years ago..  You never know.

[Blindhamster]

They do seem to like looking at classic rule stuff lately.

 

So felt like it may be possible - probably wont happen but you never know.

 

 

On the topic of primaris armour types.

 

I like them all except omnis. The multi part inceptors are nicer than the original release ones. The gravis captain is okay but the conversions (including mine in my opinion) are often pretty nice. Took me a while to get on board with phobos armour but I like that too now.

 

I do want more tacticus though.

Edited November 27, 2019 by Blindhamster

[Loishy]

 

 

You mean like the vast majority of the Stratagems in our Codex already is? Also the article has shown literally only one thing that's only for Primaris.

 

 

Sorry, I wasn't very clear. I was thinking about specific Stratagems for classic Marines. Something who give a little upgrade to some traditional Blood Angels units. Like Baal predator or assaut space marine. 

 

 

 

Maybe Sanguinary priest will be space marine "Chief appthecary" equivalent ? But Blood Angels pay this upgrade with points and not with CP (better profil, Blood Chalice, ... ) 

[Panzer]

Also the Deathcompany Chaplain was a thing with the late 7e supplement as well. ^^

 

 

You mean like the vast majority of the Stratagems in our Codex already is? Also the article has shown literally only one thing that's only for Primaris.

 

 

Sorry, I wasn't very clear. I was thinking about specific Stratagems for classic Marines. Something who give a little upgrade to some traditional Blood Angels units. Like Baal predator or assaut space marine. 



Maybe Sanguinary priest will be space marine "Chief appthecary" equivalent ? But Blood Angels pay this upgrade with points and not with CP (better profil, Blood Chalice, ... ) 

 

 

We already have a bunch of such in the Codex. Stratagems that affect Predators and non-Primaris characters and such.

[Pathstrider]

I’m kind of surprised that at least some of lemartes/astoraths abilities weren’t rolled into blood angels litanies.

[Karhedron]

I’m kind of surprised that at least some of lemartes/astoraths abilities weren’t rolled into blood angels litanies.

I am actually glad. It keeps these special characters unique and also gives them more power. Lemartes can give DC rerolls without needing a Litany meaning he can use his Litany for some other buff effect (Invocation of Destruction on Chainsword DC looks fun ).

[Charlo]

Maybe Sanguinary priest will be space marine "Chief appthecary" equivalent ? But Blood Angels pay this upgrade with points and not with CP (better profil, Blood Chalice, ... )

We already have a chief apothecary; Corbulo.

 

I wouldn't count on getting access to any of those stratsgems from Faith and Fury for upgrading characters. Most of them are covered by our special guys.

 

It's only really the Champion and Master of the Forge we don't have anyone for.

[Panzer]

Ultramarines already have a Chief Librarian too and still got access to the Stratagem. Successor chapters are a thing. ;)

[Dont-Be-Haten]

Thinking more about it. Biomatic Sarcophagus is actually quite strong. Being able to re-roll a Deny the Witch dice is clutch. Even if your opponent rolls well it gives you a decent chance to deny on those 50/50 rolls.

 

Extending shield or unleash rage an additional 6" isn't terrible either, though the offensive abilities are indeed lack luster. It depends on what the specialist relic for successors is but it should be a solid option for us.

 

Pure speculation/wishful thinking but maybe we will get an additional overwatch deny for successors, or at the very least they beef up the angelic shard.

 

With Angel's Blade, there were a lot of stellar relic options. I wouldn't mind them bringing one or two of those back either.

 

I'm sure we will get the standard, artificer armor, digital weapons, "blood bolts" master crafted weapon option, and 1~3 special relic options.

 

If we get a pistol variant I hope it is for an infernus pistol that extends out range or something instead of an AP -3 bolt pistol.

 

I'm not sure if it would work due to Artisan of War not working on relics. But maybe if we get the MC special rule for a thunder hammer I wonder if it would be like the Hammer of Baal or if we could have a Damage 5 Thunder hammer...

[Charlo]

Ultramarines already have a Chief Librarian too and still got access to the Stratagem. Successor chapters are a thing. ;)

That's because they're part of a book of more Chapters.

 

While successors are a thing, it's never felt like they have been for BA, aside from FT who get some unique rules

[Loishy]

 

Maybe Sanguinary priest will be space marine "Chief appthecary" equivalent ? But Blood Angels pay this upgrade with points and not with CP (better profil, Blood Chalice, ... )

We already have a chief apothecary; Corbulo.

 

 

I literally forgot his existence  

 

Too bad for my theory ...

[Dont-Be-Haten]

 

Ultramarines already have a Chief Librarian too and still got access to the Stratagem. Successor chapters are a thing. ;)

That's because they're part of a book of more Chapters.

 

While successors are a thing, it's never felt like they have been for BA, aside from FT who get some unique rules

It is cool that we are moving to the new normal of being able to customize our chapters. As a successor chapter I would love to cherry pick some sweet abilities to represent my boys in red. And it seems like as a successor we are going to have the options to play Blood Angels as Blood Drinkers, Angel's Sanguine, Carmine Blades, etc. Etc.

 

Being able to do that and take the non named character upgrade stratagems are things I've always wanted for Blood Angels.

[Klod]

You might want to play Blood Angels in a different time. Where there wasn't Dante and Co.

Or maybe 1.000 years later in the future, and say that at this point those guys are all dead, and my Characters are the new Chapter Master/Chief Librarian/etc.

[Majkhel]

For now at least, it looks like you can take both Astorath and Lemartes in a BA Successor army.

[Charlo]

 

 

 

Ultramarines already have a Chief Librarian too and still got access to the Stratagem. Successor chapters are a thing. ;)

That's because they're part of a book of more Chapters.

 

While successors are a thing, it's never felt like they have been for BA, aside from FT who get some unique rules

It is cool that we are moving to the new normal of being able to customize our chapters. As a successor chapter I would love to cherry pick some sweet abilities to represent my boys in red. And it seems like as a successor we are going to have the options to play Blood Angels as Blood Drinkers, Angel's Sanguine, Carmine Blades, etc. Etc.

 

Being able to do that and take the non named character upgrade stratagems are things I've always wanted for Blood Angels.

 

Sadly I don't think we'll get the same customisation options with our Successors. It'll be Red Thirst, Flesh Tearers or nothing.

 

You might want to play Blood Angels in a different time. Where there wasn't Dante and Co.

Or maybe 1.000 years later in the future, and say that at this point those guys are all dead, and my Characters are the new Chapter Master/Chief Librarian/etc.

That's not how the rules work Im afraid. The codexes are very much all "set" in the current 40k timeline. Except Tycho.

[Panzer]

Uhm, so ...

 

 

 

I'm not sure about you guys, but DC Intercessors as Elite choice is a hard pass for me. Regular Intercessors punch almost as hard, the 6+++ is unreliable anyway and even Reivers would be a better Elite choice imo since they can at least deep strike.

Considering that vanilla Marines get Veteran Intercessors, which get +1A as well, as Troop choice I'm pretty disappointed. 

[Dont-Be-Haten]

@Charlo; Take this with salty-salt!

From the WarCom Article. "The battle to banish the Tyranids from the Baal System also included the Blood Angels’ Successor Chapters, and Blood of Baal has new rules for one of the most storied – the Flesh Tearers."

Maybe that just means Flesh Tearers, maybe it means something more. Everything I want/wish list for isn't high on the priority list as far as if it actually happens or not. It would just be a pleasant surprise, an icing on the cake if you will.

@SfPanzer yeet!~

[Djangomatic82]

Uhm, so ...

 

 

 

I'm not sure about you guys, but DC Intercessors as Elite choice is a hard pass for me. Regular Intercessors punch almost as hard, the 6+++ is unreliable anyway and even Reivers would be a better Elite choice imo since they can at least deep strike.

Considering that vanilla Marines get Veteran Intercessors, which get +1A as well, as Troop choice I'm pretty disappointed. 

Not at all surprised DC intercessors are Elite. It would have been weird to expect raging, hallucinating madmen to hold positions or follow doctrine.

I'm really hoping that Reg Mephiston gets a points drop as well, but i will not be surprised at all if he is treated as persona non-grata now that the new model is out.

 

Question: Do you expect that we will be getting an updated army rule to include a second part. Seeing the Flesh Tearers new rule, it gives me hope. Personally, if it doesn't improve our mobility or durability, i will be pretty disappointing. The last thing i want is ANOTHER buff to our melee, before PA3 we were already like a 11/10 in CC compared to even supplement marines, we are totally fine on that front, it is the other aspects of being competitive that need addressing.

[Pathstrider]

I think technically the new Mephiston dataset will just replace the old one - it’s just titled “Mephiston” rather than “Primaris Mephiston”.

[Charlo]

Depends on the weapons DC intercessors can take now. If it's just bolt rifle variations and one combat weapon it's not really that enticing.

[Panzer]

He said two melee weapons. The article talked about a Thunderhammer. So I assume two Thunderhammers would be possible and that's it. With the rest being Bolter variants and a grenade launcher we've seen on the picture.

I'll probably build and paint one unit of 5 just for the sake of it but I don't see me using them often. I really rather use Reivers or regular Intercessors instead.

Edited November 27, 2019 by sfPanzer