balordazul Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Well it should not be long before that book is given to fan news outlet or just leaked with images. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Valkenhayn Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 My BT were fighting Orks and DG to bloody standstills before the new codex. Post codex they were punchy enough to kick a 30 boy squad off the table using chainswords if the rolls were with me. Any sort of upgrades on top of that are gravy, especially if the new strategems give me something worth while to spend my points on. Auto wounding on 6s is fine with me, just a shame that double hits on 6s don't count as auto 6 anymore, as that would have boosted our new trait a bit. BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 (edited) It’s important to note that the WS trait only comes into play if they charge or heroically intervene. Ours is active in any given situation and is better in prolonged fights. White Scars can fall back and charge again... thats their CT. So they always have it normally. EDIT: to slow Edited November 12, 2019 by Medjugorje Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 They would fall back and charge on their turn. It can also be prevented. True, they could always leave combat. You would need to ensure it doesn’t happen, then. There’s more to simple math when it comes to these things and they should be considered when evaluating if it’s truly “the worst CT”. you mean Special rule while our doctrine is active. Its clearly the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Carpenter Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Off topic start rant "It is amazing how fast this thread went from euphoria to whining about us having the worst trait ect withou anyone even having seen or played these new rules. Maybe we should actually play some games with our plastic buddies to see how it all works?" end of rant. Punchomatic 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Arthur Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 It’s important to note that the WS trait only comes into play if they charge or heroically intervene. Ours is active in any given situation and is better in prolonged fights. How often do you actually see prolonged fights in an Edition where either side can calmly saunter out of combat, though? According to the rumors one of our stratagems can prevent an enemy from falling back so prolonged combat might happen more often in the future. I agree our rumored doctrine bonus is pretty weak but who knows how it will synergize with the rest of our rules. I'll withhold judgment until we see everything. BLACK BLŒ FLY 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Off topic start rant "It is amazing how fast this thread went from euphoria to whining about us having the worst trait ect withou anyone even having seen or played these new rules. Maybe we should actually play some games with our plastic buddies to see how it all works?" end of rant. Nobody is whining/ranting here. Its just a fact that the special rule is weaker then others... Everybody already said that everything depends on relics and Stratagems. And btw... nobody think it wont be a great time to play BT. I think it will make fun anyway - on tournaments maybe we have to play different things. balordazul 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydonianDragoon404 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Also Inquisitor Greyfax can prevent an enemy from pulling out of combat. I see her easily becoming an auto include for me. Also guys, the extra damage for white scars is great against multi wound stuff. Useless against single wound stuff. Do people not realize thst were essentially getting Gene Wrought Might for free which is a dang good stratagem? Ive brought down Hive tyrants with intercessors because of it. Brother Talarian and balordazul 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 (edited) https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/12/faith-fury-chapter-focus-black-templarsgw-homepage-post-2/ Edited November 12, 2019 by Acebaur Brother Carpenter and redmapa 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Talarian Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 (edited) So, if a unit of BT get a charge off on a WS unit, the BT CT is worse? No. I’d rather be the BT player. There’s more to math when it comes to evaluating these things. EDIt: my argument no longer works, haha Edited November 12, 2019 by Brother Talarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmapa Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 That power sword looks really good, if we can give a relic to a squad leader than an intercessor or company veteran will be really good imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 The super doctrine is a little sub par compared to the other ones IMO, but everything else is awesome. We can really roll on the attacks with Fires of Devotion and that Sword is excellent. LRC strat is super cool and fluffy too balordazul 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal van Trapp Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Unless something in the PA2 book specifically excludes it, we get both super doctrine bonuses one in dev one is assault, not that I think we will but that could be very useful for a mixed arms BT force Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydonianDragoon404 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Hmmmm I dont know if that sword is better than the burning blade... I was hoping that our super doctrine would be always active but hey cant have it all right? I like our litanies, wl trait, and stratagems so far. balordazul 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 I do like the sword. Won't bite as often as the burning blade, but each bite is harder at D3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Talarian Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 They also mention changes to the Crusader, EC, Grim, and Servitors data sheet! I’m really hyped. balordazul 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enuncia Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 As a newer black templars player I am super stoked. I do not have the nostalgia of how good it used to be like some of you vets. All I know is that I have been reluctant to play since we have been in supplement limbo and I cannot wait to get my hands on this book. I am at work now and I just want to get home so I can wrap my head around (in peace, work is chaotic) the rules leaks and list build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Changes to Grimaldus most assuredly is to take into account that he's an upgraded chaplain. Changes to EC is probably to bring him more in line with other Chapter champions. Crusaders and Servitors is anyone's guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 That Warlord trait and that litany are very interesting. Multiple chaplains are going to be a must going forwards. Brother Talarian 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 (edited) the crusader stratagem is fluffy and the lithany seems good. But the doctrine special rule is even worst then thought... The only units we must need this rule are excepted. Thats not good (except its really possible to take the IF special rule too.... then there would be no vehicle anymore when the assault doctrine is on^^) Edited November 12, 2019 by Medjugorje Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 I'm not so bothered about the Crusader Stratagem. The flaws with Crusaders are still just as present as they have been all edition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirnov Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 I do like the sword. Won't bite as often as the burning blade, but each bite is harder at D3 the idea is that probably with chapter doctrine this could be a monster killer - score 6 on an attack an do 3 damage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted November 12, 2019 Author Share Posted November 12, 2019 (edited) Great Sword Relic. But I still dont know how this army will work with Primaris. Fluffy Crusader strat, useless on a Primaris Crusade. Litany seems nice. Doctrine is a kick in the shins. Also no primaris shown on the pics. They dont have a primaris BT army, or are they hiding something? Edited November 12, 2019 by Sete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmapa Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 They dont have a primaris BT army, or are they hiding something? Well they cant show what they haven't announced but they may be working on an upgrade kit and even if they had it it would take time to get the models ready for pictures. Whatever GWs plans may be I think they took a second place to writing these rules because they seem to be publishing them at a break neck pace and I doubt the design teams can keep up, that schedule is far more intriguing to me than anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvih Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 People thinking we can use any IF bonuses alongside these new rules are just deluding themselves. Anyway, since my Templars don't have Primaris these rules so far kinda work for me. Well, the rules do work on Primaris of course, but not optimized. What kinda annoys me is that they now even make chapters, not just other codices, working together a pain in the butt with "forcing mono-supplement or no new rule". I guess I need to paint my remaining Crusaders at some point after all so that I can get those six troop slots filled. BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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