9th edition incoming

[Karack Blackstone]

The rules for under strength units in detachments will probably be clarified. So we have to sit tight.

 

It almost seems like they want less emphasis on characters or at least stacking auras that characters provide. Didn’t they say the Judicar is an elite slot character? I’m more nervous about trying to get all the elites I want in a list. We’ve got a lot of good elite units.

If I'm getting the information correctly, one could Brigade with WL and then consider a second Detachment for at most 3 CP and squeeze in a number of more Elites. While not ideal CP wise, this possibly might fix the need to cram far too many effective Elite choices into a very points and FOC restricted list.

[Valerian]

Today’s update. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/06/05/four-sizes-fit-allgw-homepage-post-1/

[Rune Priest Jbickb]

I like that they measure from the center for the battle fields now. It help with weirder tables. Honestly I think they may have delivered a more versatile system, which is surprising but good imho.

[Wolf Guard Dan]

I agree Jbickb. GW Taking input from the community is giving us some changes that make a lot of sense.

[The Saint Ragnar]

 

 

The rules for under strength units in detachments will probably be clarified. So we have to sit tight.

 

It almost seems like they want less emphasis on characters or at least stacking auras that characters provide. Didn’t they say the Judicar is an elite slot character? I’m more nervous about trying to get all the elites I want in a list. We’ve got a lot of good elite units.

If I'm getting the information correctly, one could Brigade with WL and then consider a second Detachment for at most 3 CP and squeeze in a number of more Elites. While not ideal CP wise, this possibly might fix the need to cram far too many effective Elite choices into a very points and FOC restricted list.

Getting a Brigade for Wolves is going to be much harder to achieve unless they change the requirements for it. I don't see the benefit of trying to take a Brigade so you can get a Battalion unless you want all those units.

[Iain_Stormeyes]

 

 

The rules for under strength units in detachments will probably be clarified. So we have to sit tight.

 

It almost seems like they want less emphasis on characters or at least stacking auras that characters provide. Didn’t they say the Judicar is an elite slot character? I’m more nervous about trying to get all the elites I want in a list. We’ve got a lot of good elite units.

If I'm getting the information correctly, one could Brigade with WL and then consider a second Detachment for at most 3 CP and squeeze in a number of more Elites. While not ideal CP wise, this possibly might fix the need to cram far too many effective Elite choices into a very points and FOC restricted list.

Getting a Brigade for Wolves is going to be much harder to achieve unless they change the requirements for it. I don't see the benefit of trying to take a Brigade so you can get a Battalion unless you want all those units.

 

 

I agree, I'd rather take a Battalion for free and then pay for a specialist, rather than try to fit in an extra 3 troop choices, that is minimum 180 points now and it is probably going up by 15-45 points when the points changes drop.

[Valerian]

I think we (or any Space Marine Chapter, for that matter) are going to have a pretty damned tough time fitting a Brigade into 2,000 points, especially after they've been cost adjusted in 9e.  Definitely wouldn't be room to fit a second Detachment in.

6 Elite slots from a regular Battalion should be plenty.  3 HQ from the Battalion might be less than many will want, but you can always add one of the cheaper (presumably) Detachments like a Patrol or Supreme Command to add more.

 

With what I have to work with, I think it'll mostly be a single Battalion, and call it good.  It's already tough to fit what I want to bring into 2k.

[Iain_Stormeyes]

I think we (or any Space Marine Chapter, for that matter) are going to have a pretty damned tough time fitting a Brigade into 2,000 points, especially after they've been cost adjusted in 9e.  Definitely wouldn't be room to fit a second Detachment in.

 

6 Elite slots from a regular Battalion should be plenty.  3 HQ from the Battalion might be less than many will want, but you can always add one of the cheaper (presumably) Detachments like a Patrol or Supreme Command to add more.

 

With what I have to work with, I think it'll mostly be a single Battalion, and call it good.  It's already tough to fit what I want to bring into 2k.

 

I did the math, and if I drop my WGBL w/ JP/PF/SS and the TH from each Intercessor squad, my current list goes to 1849 with 3 HQ's, 3 Troops, 6 Elites, 2 Fast Attack.  That list is subject to change based on new terrain rules and such, but I think it gives me a good base to work from.  And while losing the WGBL rerolls hurts, I'd rather keep the WL, Wolf Priest, and Rune Priest in the list, and there's only 3 HQ slots.

 

If we did want a Brigade, Cyberwolves fill out FA for 45 points and Eliminators fill out HS for 216.  The real trick of it becomes troops and whether you want Intercessors who are durable or just flood the board with cheaper First Born marines.

[Dark Shepherd]

With cp changes forming a brigade for Wolves seems like needless shoehorning

 

Be interesting to see what way competitive wolves/marines lists go.

[Triszin]

I think we (or any Space Marine Chapter, for that matter) are going to have a pretty damned tough time fitting a Brigade into 2,000 points, especially after they've been cost adjusted in 9e.  Definitely wouldn't be room to fit a second Detachment in.

 

6 Elite slots from a regular Battalion should be plenty.  3 HQ from the Battalion might be less than many will want, but you can always add one of the cheaper (presumably) Detachments like a Patrol or Supreme Command to add more.

 

With what I have to work with, I think it'll mostly be a single Battalion, and call it good.  It's already tough to fit what I want to bring into 2k.

I think that entirely depends on first born scouts costs.

If they arent increased, then other marine factions can filled out the troop tax fairly cheap, as compared to us

[Karhedron]

I've been led to believe we can put any unit in reserve now and bring it in from any table edge with a universal strategem available to all factions.

Will that not invalidate our "On the Hunt" stratagem?

[Rune Priest Jbickb]

To me, worrying about the fate of various stratagems is premature. The whole game will get a day 1 FAQ to make it work so I doubt they will look exactly the same.

 

But as to on the hunt, I suspect it will stay as a improvement on the regular reserve available to everyone. As it's a space wolves core ability fluffwise, I suspect we will get cheaper access to it through the on the hunt strat. So something like 2 units for a CP, or maybe a smaller bubble away from enemies. I honestly hope they make it so that we can actually get up close to our opponents to make the charge at least average. That would go a long way toward mitigating the harshness of current outflank/deep strike

[Dark Shepherd]

I wonder if reserves will follow the exact same reinforcements rule? With samller boards units with omniscramblers could possibly neutralise them

[Valerian]

I'm thinking that On the Hunt will still have some very subtle advantage over the new 9e generic stratagem version.

 

Agree with Dark Shepherd, for certain armies, Infiltrators, with the 12" deny bubble, are going to be a huge deal.

[One Two Wolf]

Might bringing reinforcements in in the command phase, assuming that's what'll happen, however that's done via strats or special rules make litanies more functional too.

[Valerian]

Might bringing reinforcements in in the command phase, assuming that's what'll happen, however that's done via strats or special rules make litanies more functional too.

We already know that Reserves will still come in at the end of the Movement phase.

[Kassill]

I'm thinking that On the Hunt will still have some very subtle advantage over the new 9e generic stratagem version.

 

Agree with Dark Shepherd, for certain armies, Infiltrators, with the 12" deny bubble, are going to be a huge deal.

Hopefully so. I grabbed a Vanguard start collecting yesterday while I was near an open flgs, not realizing it only made Infiltrators  Oh well, I really wanted suppressors and eliminators anyway. May as well have some Infiltrators to test. 

Edited June 8, 2020 by Kassill

[BadgersinHills]

 

I'm thinking that On the Hunt will still have some very subtle advantage over the new 9e generic stratagem version.

 

Agree with Dark Shepherd, for certain armies, Infiltrators, with the 12" deny bubble, are going to be a huge deal.

Hopefully so. I grabbed a Vanguard start collecting yesterday while I was near an open flgs, not realizing it only made Infiltrators  Oh well, I really wanted suppressors and eliminators anyway. May as well have some Infiltrators to test. 

 

 

You could stick some knives on them from the Space Wolves pack, and I think that would be a nice conversion. )

 

 

Edited June 8, 2020 by BadgersinHills

[Valerian]

Simon Grant has confirmed that the new Bladeguard Veterans will be getting the 'Wolf Guard' keyword, so that's good to know.

[Gherrick]

Simon Grant has confirmed that the new Bladeguard Veterans will be getting the 'Wolf Guard' keyword, so that's good to know.

I wonder if this means Arjac will be getting the primaris treatment? Considering he's still got a finecast model, I suspect it will happen eventually.

[Valerian]

Today's news:  Tanks are Back.

 

 

You might need to read through that more than once.

[Dark Shepherd]

Simon Grant has confirmed that the new Bladeguard Veterans will be getting the 'Wolf Guard' keyword, so that's good to know.

Triggers that mortal wound strat that is semi accidentally awesome on TWC

[Wolf Guard Dan]

That was a bit of a brain twister.

 

Let me know if I am correctly interpreting the second portion about being able to fire outside of engaging zone. When selecting what you’re shooting at with multiple weapons you can choose to fire at enemies outside of the engagement zone. But first you must kill the enemies in the engagement zone with the weapons you selected to fire at enemies within the engagement zone.

 

Example: land raider being tied up by a solo guardsmen. My heavy bolter will shoot the guardsmen and my lascannons will shoot that enemy vehicle 40” away. But if I whiff with my heavy bolter then my lascannons can’t shoot.

 

Edit: missed the I in the last sentence.

Edited June 9, 2020 by Wolf Guard Dan

[Valerian]

WGD, that's it exactly.  Took me a couple read-throughs to Grok it, as well.

[Rune Priest Jbickb]

WGD tgsts also how I read it. Honestly I like that they did it that way, it keeps vehicles from being hard stopped by a couple dudes because if the had stopped at the first part all guns would have to target the one Guardsman thereby rendering most shots useless.