Shamansky Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Crusader squad has "Melta Bombs" in its' keywords. What is that supposed to mean? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/42/#findComment-5612239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 It's a stratagem in the new codex, same as SmokeScreen. It means Crusaders just got a bit more interesting for no points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/42/#findComment-5612245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) Reinhard the way I see it we got half a starter box in model support. Bladeguard, and the associated close combat indomitus models may be able to be taken by other factions but everyone recognizes that they fit our aesthetic, and I'm willing to bet that box set has created more templar players than other chapter. You're certainly free to do so, and how well the Indomitus marines fits our aesthetic certainly hasn't escaped me (nor how poorly it fits some of the other chapters that can take them), nor how it and said aesthetic positively affects the numbers of BT players. I'm quite happy with my Indomitus lot myself. But they aren't official BT models with the BT cross on them. Last kit they released that had one, was 15 years ago. I don't need to remind anyone what a slap in the face it was to see every other marine chapter in the codex get a new character model after decades, as well as an upgrade sprue, and then be unceremoniously jumped over. That's still what I want. Now, I grant you, this rules update is a good thing. The release of the aesthetically pleasing Indomitus was a very good thing. Good things happening is good. But we're still a square behind as outlined above. But maybe with enough good things happening, and the bolstering of the amount of BT players around the world that brings, it will eventually coax the GW higherups to green light a single character model down the line? We can certainly hope. Edited October 5, 2020 by Reinhard painting.for.my.sanity, Denton25, Hidenheart and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/42/#findComment-5612262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punchomatic Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Did we lose the ability to take scouts as troops? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/42/#findComment-5612289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) I would advise people dropping them a message to remind them about our Super Doctrine. About the Supplement, I want to believe, but I'm too emotionally involved to have clear insight into it. Edited October 5, 2020 by Sete Sword Brother Adelard and templargdt 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/42/#findComment-5612290 Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmapa Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) Did we lose the ability to take scouts as troops?Sscouts are now Elites for every chapter, Neophytes in Crusader squads is the closest you will get to Scout troops. Regarding Crusader squads it seems like they got a bit of a buff so correct if Im wrong but at less than 10 you get a power weapon or a heavy or a special weapon then at 10 you get to double up on that AND then you get to have a Sword Brother so you could get 3 power weapons in a 10 man or two in a 5 man or two heavy/spciaal weapon at 10. Thats nice contents for a drop pod. Edited October 5, 2020 by redmapa Marshal Reinhard 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/42/#findComment-5612414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOneTrueZon Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Only thing that really irks me is that the typo in Helbrechts datasheet. Marshal has ONE "L". ONE. Marshal Reinhard 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/42/#findComment-5612444 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Did we lose the ability to take scouts as troops?Sscouts are now Elites for every chapter, Neophytes in Crusader squads is the closest you will get to Scout troops. Regarding Crusader squads it seems like they got a bit of a buff so correct if Im wrong but at less than 10 you get a power weapon or a heavy or a special weapon then at 10 you get to double up on that AND then you get to have a Sword Brother so you could get 3 power weapons in a 10 man or two in a 5 man or two heavy/spciaal weapon at 10. Thats nice contents for a drop pod. No, they are bullet points, it's the same as always redmapa 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/42/#findComment-5612447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted October 5, 2020 Author Share Posted October 5, 2020 what does smokescreen? I know its a stratagem for 1 CP but I dont know what it does. I would advise people dropping them a message to remind them about our Super Doctrine.About the Supplement, I want to believe, but I'm too emotionally involved to have clear insight into it. I hope they will change it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/42/#findComment-5612454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 So what does everyone think of the changes to our "supplement" as well as the possible hint in the article that we'll get an actual supplement?Definitely NOT getting a supplement. If one goes through all the FAQs, they'll see that they say exactly which chapters are getting a supplement, and those are BA, DA, SW, and DW. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/42/#findComment-5612462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) I doubt BT will have just this Index Astartes PDF until 10th edition. The new codex does not have the Crusader squad page. This will have to be adressed somewhere besides this PDF, aswell our Super Doctrine. If all special units and chars are being moved to an extra supplement, it is not hard to imagine that eventually we will have one aswell. @seahawk, those were announced before hand so it's normal they have been mentioned as such. Edited October 5, 2020 by Sete Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/42/#findComment-5612465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjulhu Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Only thing that really irks me is that the typo in Helbrechts datasheet. Marshal has ONE "L". ONE. Everyone knows his name is Marshall Hellbrecht Champion Rawne and Sword Brother Adelard 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/42/#findComment-5612471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) To me it seems like they are trying to phase out Faith and Fury for Space Marines in entirety, so that when the Chaos Space Marine codex comes out, it can be fully deprecated. They'll want to do print rules at some point. Whether that means a separate supplement, merged in some way with the IF supplement or strung along in another campaign book, I don't know. Edited October 5, 2020 by WrathOfTheLion Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/42/#findComment-5612494 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 White Dwarf. And to be fair, if we got an index astartes as good as the Crimson Fists one, that would still be better than Faith and Fury. Sete, Mmmmm Napalm, BLACK BLΠFLY and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/42/#findComment-5612500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted October 5, 2020 Author Share Posted October 5, 2020 faith and fury is not bad. Its just not completed and our super docrine as far away from "super". templargdt 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/42/#findComment-5612503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Faith and Fury is dead. It also had next to no fluff, which the White Dwarf Article for the Crimson Fists had in spades. Also, what Super Doctrine? Sete 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/42/#findComment-5612504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 So what are people's thoughts following the mini supplement thing that got published today? I had a browse and there were some nice strats, relics and rules in there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/42/#findComment-5612507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) So what are people's thoughts following the mini supplement thing that got published today? I had a browse and there were some nice strats, relics and rules in there. Missing Super Doctrine is the most glaring fault.Has the same amount of Lore as Faith and Fury. ;) Edited October 5, 2020 by Sete Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/42/#findComment-5612513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 I'm really pleased on the whole. The Champ is better, albeit probaly still not good enough to warrant a HQ slot, but is interesting. For me, Grimaldus is the real winner, him losing MoS, but keeping two litanies is really interesting, I just hope it wasn't also an oversight. Now we can take two chaplains and run 4 litanies with a host of other cool buffs. The Knights of Sigismund debacle is just flat out funny. It was so bad that losing it completely is actually less of a problem than what happened to the IF! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/42/#findComment-5612515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted October 5, 2020 Author Share Posted October 5, 2020 Its not the case... Dmg d3 was better then flat 2 because of the big amount of -1dmg abilities now everywhere. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/42/#findComment-5612538 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Valkenhayn Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 The champ is better simply because he now has fight first built in, which makes him a good solo target for Divine Push, as well as allowing him to interrupt charges without needing to spend 2 CP. That single tweak makes him more of a loaded gun option than he has been through all of 8th. His sword becoming flat damage 2 is a wash. 1D3 damage can theoretically roll higher, but it never did for me. Regardless of the -1 damage defensive buffs other units might have, flat 2 is consistent, and consistency is good. Marshal Arthur 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/42/#findComment-5612556 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 The missing doctrine must be an error, I've just noticed it isn't there. All I can say it that hopefully this indicates a full BT supplement with new units and characters might be on the way. Othniel's Blade 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/42/#findComment-5612557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmapa Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 The missing doctrine must be an error, I've just noticed it isn't there. All I can say it that hopefully this indicates a full BT supplement with new units and characters might be on the way. I doubt it, historically we have always gotten less then everyone else in the same codex and the wording of the FAQ for us is different than for the chapters that are announced to get a supplement, we are not getting this to get by or use in the meantime, this is it. At most we might get a White Dwarf supplement but I seriously doubt we will get a full supplement. I emailed GW faq regarding this situation and I gave them my thoughts about the state of the chapter, I would encourage everyone to email them and remind them that this FAQ is incomplete but remember to be cordial and kind. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/42/#findComment-5612566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punchomatic Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) As for the different wording in our FAQ it makes sense because they’re not replacing a full codex like they are with, say, Blood Angels. Edit: fixed an autocorrect typo Edited October 6, 2020 by Punchomatic Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/42/#findComment-5612643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schlitzaf Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 I think, guys maybe maybe we’ll be lucky. /shrug. I mean we could have gotten Ultra Supplement treatment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/42/#findComment-5612724 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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