BLACK BLΠFLY Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 Implausible Nature on how to run Primaris Crusader Squads: https://youtu.be/HvpWrQUFGYs Brother Kraskor and Marshal Laeroth 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/96/#findComment-5775267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 (edited) Just noticed the Marshal can take a plasma pistol and powerfist, the latter which can be upgraded to the relic powerfist. Seems tasty… Edited December 24, 2021 by Black Blow Fly Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/96/#findComment-5775406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 Just noticed the Marshal can take a plasma pistol and powerfist, the latter which can be upgraded to the relic powerfist. Seems tasty… The Relic bearers are for Infantry & Bikers excluding Characters, so he can't take Fist of Balthus. Shadowshand, Lord Blackwood, Prot and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/96/#findComment-5775474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 Thanks ! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/96/#findComment-5775541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoffa Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 (edited) Question: Holy orb does not count as a grenade or any other type of weapon, correct ?In other words there is no problem:Advancing and throwing? Throwing while in engagement range of enemy?Throwing and firing a weapon? Edited December 28, 2021 by Hoffa Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/96/#findComment-5777074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 That’s a great question and I wonder about it as well. Just built the ETB Terminator Chaplain - wow wow wow this model rawkzzzzzzzz !!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/96/#findComment-5777076 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urkh Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 We had a discussion about it in this thread a while back me thinks, back when it was first previewed on warcom. If the book version is the same as on warcom (which unfortunately, we should check...) it doesn't say anything about being a grenade. We found out you can even throw it at a combat that the guy holding isn't even in, just to get the fights last going. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/96/#findComment-5777080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokugawa Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Orb is not a shooting weapon at all. So don't follow any restrictions about weapons. BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/96/#findComment-5777089 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoffa Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 (edited) Rules for Holy orb is as follows:Once per battle, in your Shooting phase, you can select one enemy unit that is within 6" of and visible to this model. Roll one D6: on a 2+, that unit suffers D3 mortal wounds. Until the end of the turn, that unit is not eligible to fight until after all eligible units from your army have done so. Holy orb lacks a weapon profile, which makes the only possible reading (that does not add anything that is not there) that the Holy orb is not a weapon and using it is not an attack (as attacks are made with ranged or melee weapons). Therefore the only rules that can be used for it are the ones in it's description quoted above.So throwing into combat, throwing it after advancing or throwing it after firing weapons must all be ok. I admit this feels weird and that the Orb really feels like it should be a grenade but it would require an errata by GW to make it one. Edited December 28, 2021 by Hoffa Urkh 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/96/#findComment-5777093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted December 29, 2021 Author Share Posted December 29, 2021 Always uphold against DG. With -1t contagion, many DG weapons wound you on 2s. i never saw any situation where Uphold is not the best option. Not even against Psyker armies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/96/#findComment-5777121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 Always uphold against DG. With -1t contagion, many DG weapons wound you on 2s. i never saw any situation where Uphold is not the best option. Not even against Psyker armies. You also thought the new book was garbage and that it wasn't as competitive as the previous version. You just literally don't get much value from Uphold against thousand sons. Maybe your non-brick units against scarabs. Super niche, far less good than abhor. Hidenheart, Lord Blackwood, Sword Brother Adelard and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/96/#findComment-5777143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 So you could put the Orb on an Attack bike and have a 26" threat range on the Orb. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/96/#findComment-5777205 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 The rules state the range is 6". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/96/#findComment-5777206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 The rules state the range is 6". Yes, and attack bikes move 14", can advance up to 6", and then throw the orb another 6". Brother Kraskor 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/96/#findComment-5777229 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 "threat range" sorry I missed that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/96/#findComment-5777298 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 (edited) That would be some throwing arm! I don't know whether 50pts is worth paying to have a little Orb rocket, especially as the opponent can just kill it at range. Edit: The rules state the range is 6". Yes, and attack bikes move 14", can advance up to 6", and then throw the orb another 6". With Turbo-boost it's always 6" Advance so guaranteed 26" overall. Edited December 29, 2021 by Brother Kraskor Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/96/#findComment-5777315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofSigismund Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 Boys what we going to do about this new rail gun insanity? I just built two dreads last night lol. Brother Kraskor 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/96/#findComment-5777352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted December 29, 2021 Author Share Posted December 29, 2021 its just one shot^^ He have to hit and to wound and we have already a 5++ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/96/#findComment-5777369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger9gamer Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 (edited) well, it does ignore invuln so that one shot is gonna hurt.Buuuuuut uphold will make it wound on a 3+ for most of our vehicles instead of a 2+, and we will have protection from mortal wounds on a 5+ so the extra damage can be blocked. plus, we can pop smoke on vehicles that have it!I for one am sick of tau, so this makes me salty Edited December 29, 2021 by Tiger9gamer Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/96/#findComment-5777378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 (edited) well, it does ignore invuln so that one shot is gonna hurt. Buuuuuut uphold will make it wound on a 3+ for most of our vehicles instead of a 2+, and we will have protection from mortal wounds on a 5+ so the extra damage can be blocked. plus, we can pop smoke on vehicles that have it! Yeah we are actually probably one of the safest Chapters for these exact reasons. One third of the time they will fail to wound our Dreads (and that's provided they don't fluff and miss in the first place). And if you put Grimaldus down, they will ignore a 6th of the wounds anyway. It's going to be nasty and a priority target but nowhere near as tough as our Dreads - we can roll with the punches, filthy xenos armour cannot. Edit: Boys what we going to do about this new rail gun insanity? I just built two dreads last night lol. This made me laugh! Edited December 29, 2021 by Brother Kraskor Prot 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/96/#findComment-5777388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted December 29, 2021 Author Share Posted December 29, 2021 I always hated Tau since 6th edition when they get every stupid special rule to ignore any other rule. I liked them in 5th edition. If they became strong then for me its even more a point to pause a bit longer. Tiger9gamer and Brother Christopher 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/96/#findComment-5777395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 I can’t even begin to understand the reasoning behind geedub’s decisions regarding the OP rules they love to flaunt. And to think people were upset about a flat damage 2 flamer… Tiger9gamer, Prot, Hidenheart and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/96/#findComment-5777438 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 Tau are only active in one phase. They don't get psychic or assault phases really so they need to shoot well. It's only one shot! CastellanDeMolay 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/96/#findComment-5777441 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 I can’t even begin to understand the reasoning behind geedub’s decisions regarding the OP rules they love to flaunt. And to think people were upset about a flat damage 2 flamer… To sell models of course! Tau are only active in one phase. They don't get psychic or assault phases really so they need to shoot well. It's only one shot! Agreed. I wonder if this profile will apply to their battlesuit railguns as well. I'd suspect yes but then no Submunition stratagem for them so maybe not worth it. Hidenheart 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/96/#findComment-5777482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 Stormsurge has me already cringing… Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/96/#findComment-5777489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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