9th Ed. Wishlist?

[Warhead01]

 

 

Very much doubt that. Scions were their own mini-codex previously and were folded in. I don't expect a big release wave for Guard. I know the rumours say a new tank, but beyond that I just don't see much happening.

 

Also, any new release is going to be brand new stuff. There is no way GW is going to rerelease a previous design that people still have lying around if they can replace it with something totally new that people have to buy.

 

At worst, it'll be a supplement like SMs have. Hope not though and I'd be surprised.

 

On another note, we should keep an eye on the statlines for Brood Brothers datahseets in the GSc codex next month.

Think of it this way. Now Scions have 6 unique regiments. Each with their own unique WT, relics, and stratagems. The PA book gave them an identity and much needed flavour.

 

The rumours of new Kasrkins suggests they'll be Guards new premium troop choice instead of Scions.

Oh sweet baby raptor jesus, new Kasrkins are up there on my list with BT (and I got BT already)

 

I did miss the original rumour, did it came from the info Dojeska shared?

 

I thought Karsikins were a Cadian unit? Not a unit for every regiment, not sure though.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

 

 

 

 

Very much doubt that. Scions were their own mini-codex previously and were folded in. I don't expect a big release wave for Guard. I know the rumours say a new tank, but beyond that I just don't see much happening.

 

Also, any new release is going to be brand new stuff. There is no way GW is going to rerelease a previous design that people still have lying around if they can replace it with something totally new that people have to buy.

 

At worst, it'll be a supplement like SMs have. Hope not though and I'd be surprised.

 

On another note, we should keep an eye on the statlines for Brood Brothers datahseets in the GSc codex next month.

Think of it this way. Now Scions have 6 unique regiments. Each with their own unique WT, relics, and stratagems. The PA book gave them an identity and much needed flavour.

 

The rumours of new Kasrkins suggests they'll be Guards new premium troop choice instead of Scions.

Oh sweet baby raptor jesus, new Kasrkins are up there on my list with BT (and I got BT already)

 

I did miss the original rumour, did it came from the info Dojeska shared?

I thought Karsikins were a Cadian unit? Not a unit for every regiment, not sure though.

the name kasrkin is a specifically cadian thing, but the models were created to represent elite guardsmen with better gear than normal guard, just like storm troopers before them and scions after them.

[sairence]

I would just find it odd. We have Scions now to fill the niche of elite trooper, so I'm not really clear what role they would fill that wouldn't seriously overlap.

 

I totally get that not everyone is a fan of Scions and some people would prefer to have regiment-specific equivalents. But in the design space of the entire Codex it would create something of a duplicate profile.

Edited November 4, 2021 by sairence

[jarms48]

 

the name kasrkin is a specifically cadian thing, but the models were created to represent elite guardsmen with better gear than normal guard, just like storm troopers before them and scions after them.

 

 

Which is true, but I doubt they'll be a unique Cadian unit. We just had the Cadian Supplement and it didn't come with additional datasheets. My money is they'll have the same look, but be called generic Grenadiers or some other elite name. 

 

They will fulfil the role of <Regiment> elites. Possibly with no deep strike. So they don't stand on the Scions toes (if they remain in the codex).

 

 

I would just find it odd. We have Scions now to fill the niche of elite trooper, so I'm not really clear what role they would fill that wouldn't seriously overlap.

 

I totally get that not everyone is a fan of Scions and some people would prefer to have regiment-specific equivalents. But in the design space of the entire Codex it would create something of a duplicate profile.

 

I mean, what's the point of Conscripts, Infantry Squads, Special Weapon Squads, and Veteran Squads? They all use the exact same models with only slightly different datasheets or equipment options. 

 

That's why I'm saying there's only going to be 2 options. They'll become the <Regiment> premium Troop choice with no deep strike. So they benefit from Regiment Doctrines and can be ordered by <Regiment> Officers, while Scions cannot. 

 

The other is Scions being removed and getting their own codex again.

Edited November 5, 2021 by jarms48

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

I would just find it odd. We have Scions now to fill the niche of elite trooper, so I'm not really clear what role they would fill that wouldn't seriously overlap.

 

I totally get that not everyone is a fan of Scions and some people would prefer to have regiment-specific equivalents. But in the design space of the entire Codex it would create something of a duplicate profile.

hopefully theyd replace scions completely or just be another sculpt for scions

 

Also have you seen the space marine dex and space marine supplements? GW isn’t worried about duplicating roles with new units.

 

Though if you really want Scions to be THE best guardsmen with the best :cuss, I’d give them a 6+ invul (as long as the attacker isn’t using a weapon with S double the scion’s T)with S4+

Kasrkin/stormtroopers/grenadiers I’d give them an ability that lets them benefit from commands/auras an extra 2-3 inches away from a commissar or officer, and give them a redeploy move or something.

Edited November 5, 2021 by Inquisitor_Lensoven

[Sete]

Scions are their thing, Kasrkin other.

Dont think they will overlap that much, and it's more options to us.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

Scions are their thing, Kasrkin other.

Dont think they will overlap that much, and it's more options to us.

id have to go review the datasheets for both but I’m pretty sure scions were a 1:1 replacement of Kasrkin, so they’re not really their own thing.

Scions being their own regiments I’ve always thought was stupid since I came back considering there’s such a limited number of options for them.

Edited November 5, 2021 by Inquisitor_Lensoven

[sitnam]

 

Scions are their thing, Kasrkin other.

Dont think they will overlap that much, and it's more options to us.

id have to go review the datasheets for both but I’m pretty sure scions were a 1:1 replacement of Kasrkin, so they’re not really their own thing.

Scions being their own regiments I’ve always thought was stupid since I came back considering there’s such a limited number of options for them.

Scions didn't replace kasrkin. Scions we're a rebranding of Stormtroopers at the same time Astra Militarum became a thing. I looked at the 3rd through 5th edition Codexes and they all specified Stormtroopers as the carapace armoured datasheet.

 

The thing is, back in those days keywords and subfactions weren't the thing the are now. It wouldn't matter if you ran your Stormtroopers as regimental troops or Schola trained specialists.

 

I'm very doubtful that Scions get replaced or split off from the main codex. Maybe if veterans got doctrines back and carapace armor was an option. Any comparisons of redundancy or bloat with Marines is redundant because Marines are a special case

 

Lorewise Scions make sense as separate formations IMO. Kasrkin or other regimental equivalents are shock troops; the Scions are more like spec ops.

 

However I would prefer they kill the idea of scions as independent regiments and just keep the whole ‘storm trooper’ concept as it used to be, elite troopers from regular regiments.

Stormtroopers were Independent formations of Schola trained troops back till fourth edition, if not earlier. Kasrkin and their ilk were regimental equivalents.

Edited November 5, 2021 by sitnam

[The Pounder]

I’m hoping they bring back options for either Veterans or Stormtroopers to fill the heavy infantry rolls.

 

As was mentioned above when I started with my first Krieg force (5th Edition iirc) there were Grenadiers which were basically

 

Stormtroopers by another name and Engineers were like Veterans with shotguns and both had Carapace Armour.

 

With any luck there will be options for both or at least an equivalent to be able to field them again.

 

Regimental doctrines and Regiment specific elites would be a welcome return.

 

Not sure if there is enough material for individual regiments for us to get different supplements like the Astartes get but I’d love to see it happen.

 

Failing that I’d like to see generic units to make up cool flavour units eg Rough Riders as Deathriders etc.

 

I know hope is the first step to disappointment but I can’t help feeling optimistic with what’s to come!

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

 

 

Scions are their thing, Kasrkin other.

Dont think they will overlap that much, and it's more options to us.

id have to go review the datasheets for both but I’m pretty sure scions were a 1:1 replacement of Kasrkin, so they’re not really their own thing.

Scions being their own regiments I’ve always thought was stupid since I came back considering there’s such a limited number of options for them.

Scions didn't replace kasrkin. Scions we're a rebranding of Stormtroopers at the same time Astra Militarum became a thing. I looked at the 3rd through 5th edition Codexes and they all specified Stormtroopers as the carapace armoured datasheet.

 

The thing is, back in those days keywords and subfactions weren't the thing the are now. It wouldn't matter if you ran your Stormtroopers as regimental troops or Schola trained specialists.

 

I'm very doubtful that Scions get replaced or split off from the main codex. Maybe if veterans got doctrines back and carapace armor was an option. Any comparisons of redundancy or bloat with Marines is redundant because Marines are a special case

 

Lorewise Scions make sense as separate formations IMO. Kasrkin or other regimental equivalents are shock troops; the Scions are more like spec ops.

 

However I would prefer they kill the idea of scions as independent regiments and just keep the whole ‘storm trooper’ concept as it used to be, elite troopers from regular regiments.

Stormtroopers were Independent formations of Schola trained troops back till fourth edition, if not earlier. Kasrkin and their ilk were regimental equivalents.

Kasrkin replaced storm troopers…and scions replaced Kasrkin…

Nothing about scions is spec ops.

Stormtroopers and spec ops are very different so make up your mind about which they are

 

When did Kasrkin become their own thing? In the 2003 codex they’re mentioned in the caption of artwork of them but they clearly fall under the storm trooper datasheet, and the 2008 codex has no Kasrkin datasheet . Only stormtroopers.

 

I left the hobby around 09-10 and came back in 2020 so best I can tell Kasrkin is just a specific sculpt for storm troopers meaning Kasrkin are storm troopers

Edited November 5, 2021 by Inquisitor_Lensoven

[sitnam]

 

 

Since we are veering into a lore debate I put up a new thread, no need to bloat a wishlisting thread.

Edited November 6, 2021 by sitnam

[Sete]

Kasrkin = Cadia

Scions = Schola

[duz_]

Just reminder this is a whishlist thread not a Scion vs Kasrkin debate.

[OldWherewolf]

Back to wishlisting, I'd like the new "Fire on My Position" to counter the prevent fallback abilities (like DE and BT have).  Maybe something like
 

Fire On My Position - 1/2/3CP

Use this stratagem when the last model is slain from AM unit equipped with a Vox Caster or when an AM unit is prevented from falling back.

Remove the unit from play (which counts as being destroyed).  Any unit within engagement range (friend or foe!) suffers d3 Mortal Wounds and roll one D6 for each other unit (friend or foe) within 3" of the selected unit: on a 4+, that unit suffers 1 mortal wound.

 

This Stratagem costs 1 CP per enemy unit within engagement range (to a minimum of 1 and a maximum of 3)

 

I think it's a cool way of turning "you're trapped in here with me" to "ya, but I'm taking you with me!"

Edited November 6, 2021 by Brainpsyk

[sairence]

You could add one more thing:

Units in engagement range of the destroyed unit cannot consolidate after fighting.

 

Cause you know...there's bunch of shells flying around them. :P

[Diagramdude]

We absolutely need the smoke launcher strat and an automatic explosion strat would be nice to have as well

[jarms48]

 

It still comes with the IG upgrade sprue that has the cupola guy and a set of legs, I assume they can both still be built.

 

 

Is that it? From memory it use to have an actual infantry sprue in it with 2 models. Pretty sure it was just the Guardsmen half of a heavy weapon team sprue. 

 

We absolutely need the smoke launcher strat and an automatic explosion strat would be nice to have as well

 

I have a feeling they're going to change the Hellhound to explodes on 6's. Then give it an explosion stratagem. Just like the Immolator. 

Edited November 8, 2021 by jarms48

[Diagramdude]

I’d much rather have an auto explode stratagem applicable to all vehicles than just hellhound, but we will see. Also it would thematically fit for the Guard to have that 8th prepared positions stratagem brought back for first turn cover or +1 save until you move, not just for a super heavy ace but for whole army.

[Shamansky]

I don't agree with everything in this but i want this to become official codex

[jarms48]

The guys who made that are really great. It needs a lot of testing, but it's a good foundation.

[OldWherewolf]

I have a feeling they're going to change the Hellhound to explodes on 6's. Then give it an explosion stratagem. Just like the Immolator.

Please yes!!

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

Regimental supplements would be so nice.

I think there’s plenty of room to make good supplements to really create more variation in how different regiments play.

 

Cadian, and catachan at the very least.

I’m not sure which regiments are 3rd and 4th in popularity

Edited November 8, 2021 by Inquisitor_Lensoven

[Warhead01]

Regimental supplements would be so nice.

I think there’s plenty of room to make good supplements to really create more variation in how different regiments play.

 

Cadian, and catachan at the very least.

I’m not sure which regiments are 3rd and 4th in popularity

That doesn't even seem worth a supplement at all to me. I don't expect any more than those as supplements because it directly supports their line of miniatures, which I believe is the key part. Are there even enough Cadian or Catachan units to justify either supplement? Will there be?  

 

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

 

 

Regimental supplements would be so nice.

I think there’s plenty of room to make good supplements to really create more variation in how different regiments play.

 

Cadian, and catachan at the very least.

I’m not sure which regiments are 3rd and 4th in popularity

That doesn't even seem worth a supplement at all to me. I don't expect any more than those as supplements because it directly supports their line of miniatures, which I believe is the key part. Are there even enough Cadian or Catachan units to justify either supplement? Will there be?

new edition is a great time to release new kits.

 

Catachan already had a supplement once upon a time.

[Warhead01]

 

 

Regimental supplements would be so nice.

I think there’s plenty of room to make good supplements to really create more variation in how different regiments play.

 

Cadian, and catachan at the very least.

I’m not sure which regiments are 3rd and 4th in popularity

That doesn't even seem worth a supplement at all to me. I don't expect any more than those as supplements because it directly supports their line of miniatures, which I believe is the key part. Are there even enough Cadian or Catachan units to justify either supplement? Will there be?

new edition is a great time to release new kits.

 

Catachan already had a supplement once upon a time.

 

Yes, it is a good time. It's just that I believe GW will do the minimum. We know Cadia has a few Special characters and maybe the return of Karsikins.

And I can see them doing a kit that would work for either Cadians or Catachans. some kind of dual kit maybe. But low effort on their part to double down on sales. 

I still have at least one copy of codex Catachan with my old books. 

 

 

I'm mostly curious what they will do for diy regiments in the new codex, which I feel should be in the codex and not in a supplement.