State of the Union (Heresy)

[Morngrym]

We have a Legion Dispatch.

 

 

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/05/14/the-new-imperial-fists-praetors-are-perfect-for-butchering-iron-warriors/?utm_source=TW&utm_medium=TW&utm_campaign=WH

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wow, I really like these.  This makes me feel much better after the absence of Heresy last week.  

If this is the sort of quality we will be seeing in the Legion Dispatch I think we are in for a good year!

[Morngrym]

 

Funnily due to mainly reading the bl series i really dont see IF as such a terminator heavy force in my mind. More like classic infantry.

IF might be the most... not exactly confused legion out there, but they're probably the single largest melting pot of elements (which is ironic, given their reputation for being boringly straight-laced). They're:

 

- Siege and fortification experts

- Void combat and teleportation specialists

- Artillery and heavy weapon-wranglers

- Stoic and disciplined, with a penchant for serried ranks of bolters

- Zealous crusaders who seek out personal combat, with a preference for shields and other defensive equipment

 

About the only things they're not renowned for are speed and infiltration operations, and even the former is somewhat offset by famously-effective void-capable craft. It's difficult to row back on much of this but I'd be very interested in seeing the designers attempt to coalesce these themes into something more coherent.

 

 

I agree with all of that and you get bonus points for using the work "wranglers" in that description!  Very nice.  

[jaxom]

 

Yeah I really want to see fafnir. I think I may try to convert this PA model to him, using two of the axes in one of the upgrade sets FW makes. The mk iv set I think

 

I just noticed, the powered armor Praetor has the twin axes on his chestplate behind the fist. Served with Rahn, perhaps?

[Sarvis]

 

 

Yeah I really want to see fafnir. I think I may try to convert this PA model to him, using two of the axes in one of the upgrade sets FW makes. The mk iv set I think

I just noticed, the powered armor Praetor has the twin axes on his chestplate behind the fist. Served with Rahn, perhaps?

Yup that’s what gave me the idea. Also, the pose looks like his on the cover of The First Wall. the termie even more so, but rann is not depicted in terminator armor

[Billy the Squid]

 

 

Yeah I really want to see fafnir. I think I may try to convert this PA model to him, using two of the axes in one of the upgrade sets FW makes. The mk iv set I think

 

I just noticed, the powered armor Praetor has the twin axes on his chestplate behind the fist. Served with Rahn, perhaps?

 

 

If they're following the Black book insignia details then yes, the twin axes are the heraldry for Rahn's company. 

[Slips]

Crossed axes, iirc, are not, actually Rann's Company; its two upright axes side by side as shown here:

 

The Crossed Axes, is Heraldry I don't think we've seen before.

[Doghouse]

This is just the tip of a HUGE iceberg that is coming that will blow people's minds. There is a reason why we are seeing Fists and Sons of Horus models now that will become apparent soon. 

[Bung]

This is just the tip of a HUGE iceberg that is coming that will blow people's minds. There is a reason why we are seeing Fists and Sons of Horus models now that will become apparent soon. 

 

And it will probably move with the speed of an iceberg. 

I expect soon te be at least 8 months or a year.

[Lucien Eilam]

The Crossed Axes, is Heraldry I don't think we've seen before.

 

It’s the variant legion icon that introduces the Imperial Fists section of Extermination: Page 56

[Cadmus Tyro]

This is just the tip of a HUGE iceberg that is coming that will blow people's minds. There is a reason why we are seeing Fists and Sons of Horus models now that will become apparent soon.

 

Interesting, sounds like you know something.....?

 

Beta-Garmon?

 

Cadmus

[Hungry Nostraman Lizard]

 

This is just the tip of a HUGE iceberg that is coming that will blow people's minds. There is a reason why we are seeing Fists and Sons of Horus models now that will become apparent soon.

Interesting, sounds like you know something.....?

 

Beta-Garmon?

 

Cadmus

 

My thoughts as well... well, sit down, tell us what you know!

[armarnis]

This is just the tip of a HUGE iceberg that is coming that will blow people's minds. There is a reason why we are seeing Fists and Sons of Horus models now that will become apparent soon. 

you know which road hope lets you walk, right? not saying i dont want cool new stuff but if you know something, there are surely ways to share that in a more weighty manner, yes?

[1ncarnadine]

It’s the variant legion icon that introduces the Imperial Fists section of Extermination: Page 56

Crossed axes are also a Phalanx Warder icon on the shoulder pads from their upgrade kit. So one explanation of the iconography is that the Praetor may have served in the Warders, or been honored by them, or something like that.

[Billy the Squid]

Crossed axes, iirc, are not, actually Rann's Company; its two upright axes side by side as shown here:

 

 

The Crossed Axes, is Heraldry I don't think we've seen before.

 

You're right, I double checked Extermination and the crossed axes behind the fist heraldry appears on the first page of the Imperial Fists section, the red page. Maybe a variant of the Fists' heraldry? Huscarls maybe? Like Archamus, a formation within the Fists which blurs the lines between a company & an internal formation distinct from the Fist's battle companies, somewhat like the Templar Brethren's stylised heraldry nominally marking them out as separate formation within a company which they may be attached to at some point?

[Sarvis]

This is just the tip of a HUGE iceberg that is coming that will blow people's minds. There is a reason why we are seeing Fists and Sons of Horus models now that will become apparent soon.

Care to elaborate?? I’m interested!

[Marshal Rohr]

A lurker account from ‘02 with less than 20 posts. It’s Andy Hoare or a very committed observer :P

[Ranulf]

A lurker account from ‘02 with less than 20 posts. It’s Andy Hoare or a very committed observer

 

And he just started the leak regarding the Horus Heresy: Siege of Terra Box Set that is on its way to release, thanks Andy.

 

-Ran

[Doghouse]

Oh I am a regular member solely a Heresy fan from my love of the novels but just do not post much and like to come here to read people's threads and look at their armies. There are no internet points behind my intentions other than people were getting despondent and because I am bursting at the seams. I can only say so much about what I saw because if I am too specific someone will get in serious trouble and I never asked to become involved or to be shown. The starter set is real and release schedule permitting it will be before the end of the year. The armour in the set is not a copy and paste of forge world into plastic but an updated modern re-imagined design of an existing armour and is slightly bigger. The existing plastics will look slightly stumpy next to them from what I could see. No one needs to believe me because official news should come soon anyway.

[Sarvis]

Thanks for your input! I’m keeping my fingers crossed. This radio silence was always going to lead to either heresy dying or the calm before the storm. Glad to hear ppl saying it’s the latter

[Cris R]

Oh I am a regular member solely a Heresy fan from my love of the novels but just do not post much and like to come here to read people's threads and look at their armies. There are no internet points behind my intentions other than people were getting despondent and because I am bursting at the seams. I can only say so much about what I saw because if I am too specific someone will get in serious trouble and I never asked to become involved or to be shown. The starter set is real and release schedule permitting it will be before the end of the year. The armour in the set is not a copy and paste of forge world into plastic but an updated modern re-imagined design of an existing armour and is slightly bigger. The existing plastics will look slightly stumpy next to them from what I could see. No one needs to believe me because official news should come soon anyway.

This actually makes a lot of business sense because it targets two separate itches in 40k and 30k. If you want true/truer scale First Born in 40k, here are some better looking Marines that you can use to make them look reasonable next to your opponent's Primaris models. If you're a 30k veteran or new player who wants shiny new models for your 30k legions that'll look amazing on the table, we've got that for you as well.

 

Obviously this could be irritating for established players who have made a lot of investments in their Legions. But Dark Angels players have already started making this journey with the Interemptors and Deathwing Companions, so this scale adjustment is already shaping the game's look. And third party manufactures like Tortuga Bay have been breaking into this space, so it was only a matter of time GW and FW would do this. If it revives the game, then I'm fine with it even if it makes my Calth and Prospero boxes look a little more on the stumpier side.

Edited May 16, 2021 by Cris R

[Arendious]

This makes two such "old, silent accounts" I've seen in as many months, both mentioning "big Heresy news coming soon". Interestingly, the other account (on Reddit) self-destructed after I made a response much like Marshal Rohr's.

 

Not ascribing any ill-intent to frater Freeloader, just a coincidence that sets my Alpha Legion geneseed on edge.

[Sarvis]

This makes two such "old, silent accounts" I've seen in as many months, both mentioning "big Heresy news coming soon". Interestingly, the other account (on Reddit) self-destructed after I made a response much like Marshal Rohr's.

 

Not ascribing any ill-intent to frater Freeloader, just a coincidence that sets my Alpha Legion geneseed on edge.

I must be a bit dense as I can’t connect the dots here, mind explains to me what you’re alluding to?

[Doghouse]

Well I hope my account does not explode but I do not use reddit. All we can do now is wait, what I have described now is inevitable regardless of  any opinions I may have on it. 

[Cadmus Tyro]

Oh I am a regular member solely a Heresy fan from my love of the novels but just do not post much and like to come here to read people's threads and look at their armies. There are no internet points behind my intentions other than people were getting despondent and because I am bursting at the seams. I can only say so much about what I saw because if I am too specific someone will get in serious trouble and I never asked to become involved or to be shown. The starter set is real and release schedule permitting it will be before the end of the year. The armour in the set is not a copy and paste of forge world into plastic but an updated modern re-imagined design of an existing armour and is slightly bigger. The existing plastics will look slightly stumpy next to them from what I could see. No one needs to believe me because official news should come soon anyway.

Interesting, thanks for sharing that, it makes sense as all the MKii white scars models have that modernised MKii aesthetic (just compare the speeder crew to the old MKii). I wonder whether they will update Mkiv as well, as their leg poses are pretty outdated, something more akin to the new chaos marine releases or even the plastic mkiii would be better. It’s the leg poses that would really prevent the current Mkiv kit from being used for assault marines, far too static.

 

I’m also interested in your motivation, to encourage others who are feeling despondent about the release schedule. That’s the same thing that motivated me to share the original rumour, never shared anything before, just a desire to share the possibility there is light at the end of this really long tunnel, and hopefully it’s not another train moving towards us....

 

Let the Naftka count down to capitalisation begin.

 

Cadmus

Edited May 16, 2021 by Cadmus Tyro

[No Foes Remain]

I hope they don't update the models and make them bigger, still got most of 2 boxes of Calth and Prospero to build but haven't had the willpower to do it lately what with not knowing how much support the Heresy will get in the future.