Astartes Consul Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 God, I splashed out on Octarius thinking that those Praetor wouldn't be out for a couple of months... FW/HH timelines between preview and release have always been weird, though this might be an effort to make sure nothing is still pending prior to the autumn boxed set release I guess? Only the SoH Praetor(s) to go from what has been previewed so far, so will also be interesting to see what is in this month's Legion Dispatch. My money would be on a Terminator SoH HQ. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/43/#findComment-5738524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 A pleasant surprise. Hopefully they keep pumping out those Praetors. WrathOfTheLion 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/43/#findComment-5738528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 (edited) Ya it seems like they're ramping up releases for some unknown reason lol. Oh yeah, there's the obvious reason why that might occur, but that doesn't happen until it happens. Until they announce what's coming, it ain't here yet. A pleasant surprise. Hopefully they keep pumping out those Praetors. Definitely a pleasant surprise, one of my friends is playing UM now so I'm happy for them, and I get the pleasant surprise of Argel Tal with it, so I'm pleased. Edited September 5, 2021 by WrathOfTheLion Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/43/#findComment-5738559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
derLumpi Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 Wow, that was really fast. So, if I'm ordering a UM Contemptor with weapons and those two Praetors I have some stuff to pass the time and I might win a titan! :-D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/43/#findComment-5738624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Vespasian Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 Very nice. Lets see what this konth dispatch brings. Some legion sepcific leviathans might be in order soonish as well Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/43/#findComment-5738672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astartes Consul Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 Looking at the pics on Warhammer Community again and I know there was some disquiet about how '40k' and covered in eagles the two UM Praetors looked but...it really isn't that much more than the Invictarus Suzerain kit is it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/43/#findComment-5738696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corswain Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 (edited) I get the "too 40K" argument but I think they're fine. I absolutely love Argel Tal though and I think it's very interesting that FW seem to be moving awayfrom the giant scenic bases. Edited September 6, 2021 by Corswain Astartes Consul 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/43/#findComment-5738700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astartes Consul Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 Wonder if Argel Tal will be released as a 'Character Series' model or not. Qin Xa was the last new HQ release to get the black box & scenic base treatment IIRC. I get the "too 40K" argument butI think they're fine. I absolutely love Argel Tal though and I think it's very interesting that FW seem to be moving awayfrom the giant scenic bases. Will say this, the IF Praetors instantly looked x1000 'more Heresy' once they had that brown 'Siege of Terra' background behind them in photos. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/43/#findComment-5738706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zedmeister Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 Well, this is unexpected: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/09/06/play-out-famous-battles-from-the-horus-heresy-with-these-epic-free-campaign-packs/ WrathOfTheLion, Astartes Consul, lansalt and 3 others 6 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/43/#findComment-5738732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 Well, this is unexpected:https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/09/06/play-out-famous-battles-from-the-horus-heresy-with-these-epic-free-campaign-packs/ That looks... Intriguing. I'm at work so can't check out how good this all looks yet. It's an interesting choice to release it as a free pdf. I'm not sure I saw any news about what's happening with any other Heresy news? Also, feels like a weird choice not to go with the Shadow Crusade considering this week's releases Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/43/#findComment-5738736 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 Probably because the Shadow Crusade is large enough to get a black book, whereas the point of the Exemplary Battles is to focus on conflicts that aren't. This campaign series is a great way to explore such conflicts, which may not otherwise have their own dedicated campaign books. Horus Heresy High Lord Andy Hoare had this to say about the scenarios: “An Exemplary Battle is a conflict that’s been mentioned in one of the many Black Library Horus Heresy novels, or in one of the Horus Heresy or even Adeptus Titanicus publications, but which might not be quite big enough to be given the full campaign book treatment. “Some of these battles are quite well known and will be familiar to fans of the Horus Heresy – others are much more obscure and may be known to only the most dedicated of readers.” He also notes that each scenario is lifted from existing Horus Heresy lore and is much more than a throwaway. “The aim with this series is to give players everything they’d get out of a black book, only condensed down to a handful of pages. You’ll find a description of the battle, written by the Horus Heresy team writers after having undertaken extensive research of the source material or talking to the Black Library authors.” The new Huscarl rules are interesting, though. Hopefully they'll get some models in the near future. Noserenda, Grim Dog Studios and WrathOfTheLion 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/43/#findComment-5738740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zedmeister Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 I wonder if this is them laying the ground for the speculated black book replacements as being more cut down (aka Necromunda Book Of... and Titanicus campaign books) with a new unit or two appearing in it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/43/#findComment-5738742 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrion Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 It's nice, it really is nice, that there's a free pdf, and I hate to be that guy - but this is showcasing a brand new imperial fists unit that uses an out of stock storm shield and is played on out of stock terrain.... Brother Sutek 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/43/#findComment-5738743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted September 6, 2021 Author Share Posted September 6, 2021 (edited) FW deleting the talk about the new box on their FB posts. C'mon GW, spill the beans. Even if it's: "This is coming, this is included (ideally weapons breakdown of the Contemptor) but you still have to wait a couple of months due to production/logistics." I have to say I am grateful for these battle packs though, could be fun. Edited September 6, 2021 by Hfran Morkai Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/43/#findComment-5738752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astartes Consul Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 This is really cool! And ongoing support like this is going to be what keeps AoD alive for the future IMO! Guess that Argel Tal might get rules in a Shadow Crusade campaign pack as well It's nice, it really is nice, that there's a free pdf, and I hate to be that guy - but this is showcasing a brand new imperial fists unit that uses an out of stock storm shield and is played on out of stock terrain.... Shields will be back in stock shortly though, they're just going Out of Stock while everything is being updated. Grim Dog Studios 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/43/#findComment-5738753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Dog Studios Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 This is a welcome surprise! Especially free rules for a new unit even if it is pretty basic. With the release of Argel Tal and the speed of the UM Praetors coming out, now this, I feel like things are definitely looking up for the Heresy. Now just announce the damn boxset GW! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/43/#findComment-5738757 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungry Nostraman Lizard Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 I get the "too 40K" argument but I think they're fine. I absolutely love Argel Tal though and I think it's very interesting that FW seem to be moving awayfrom the giant scenic bases. It's clever. They're selling characters for the character series without the aforementioned unique bases, something that justified the insane cost for a lot of these characters (Pollux, Sevatar, Garro, etc) but are charging the same price as if they still had the unique and interesting bases anyway! VERY clever. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/43/#findComment-5738782 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Vespasian Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 The battlepack ist just really cool. Exactly what I want from my hobby. Helps that I play fists of course. Astartes Consul 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/43/#findComment-5738799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calibanite Knight Angel Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 Interesting. Free rules is definitely the way to go. Is this a retcon with the Huscarls? From memory I thought the novels had them wearing Indomitus Terminator Armour. Also, I'm wondering if Argel Tal will come with a Custodes spear as a wargear option? otherwise the model as it is looks like any other Gal Vorbak (they didn't even make his helmet look beast-like :( ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/43/#findComment-5738802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lansalt Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 Is this a retcon with the Huscarls? From memory I thought the novels had them wearing Indomitus Terminator Armour. Yeah, in Praetorian of Dorn they wear normal power armour or Indomitus in the final battle. They should be like a normal command squad and have the option to choose what they want, but I guess FW really wants to sell people their cataphractii upgrade sets (named and featured in the PDF) Calibanite Knight Angel 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/43/#findComment-5738805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calibanite Knight Angel Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 (edited) Is this a retcon with the Huscarls? From memory I thought the novels had them wearing Indomitus Terminator Armour. Yeah, in Praetorian of Dorn they wear normal power armour or Indomitus in the final battle. They should be like a normal command squad and have the option to choose what they want, but I guess FW really wants to sell people their cataphractii upgrade sets (named and featured in the PDF) Ah well, I guess it'd be easy enough to run an alternate homebrew version of the Terminator Huscarls using these rules as a template but changing the armour type. That being said, I could swear they used assault cannons (or at the very least some form of ranged weapon) in The Solar War, which isn't represented here? Might be misremembering though EDIT: All this being said, I was quite a fan of this free PDF and appreciated the missions and detail of the lore of the battle, which I felt was disappointingly missing from Crusade, so hope they continue putting in the same effort they put into this PDF at the bare minimum Edited September 6, 2021 by Calibanite Knight Angel Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/43/#findComment-5738809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 Is this a retcon with the Huscarls? From memory I thought the novels had them wearing Indomitus Terminator Armour. Yeah, in Praetorian of Dorn they wear normal power armour or Indomitus in the final battle. They should be like a normal command squad and have the option to choose what they want, but I guess FW really wants to sell people their cataphractii upgrade sets (named and featured in the PDF) Or the right hand and left hand are either not beholden to each other or simply don’t follow through with each other. This isn’t the first time FW fluff and rules don’t match BL descriptions and those were for things were nothing monetary was on the line. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/43/#findComment-5738813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 (edited) I get the "too 40K" argument but I think they're fine. I absolutely love Argel Tal though and I think it's very interesting that FW seem to be moving awayfrom the giant scenic bases. It's clever. They're selling characters for the character series without the aforementioned unique bases, something that justified the insane cost for a lot of these characters (Pollux, Sevatar, Garro, etc) but are charging the same price as if they still had the unique and interesting bases anyway! VERY clever. The two they've done this for, Maloghurst and Saul Tarvitz are less expensive than the other characters though, so they aren't charging the same price. Pollux is $59, whereas Maloghurst and Tarvitz are $47 as examples. I can understand disliking that they're doing so, but there's a definitive 25% reduction in price, so the claim that they are equivalently costed is false. Edited September 6, 2021 by WrathOfTheLion Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/43/#findComment-5738825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 Man huscarls look like a strong option. 275 for a 5 wound, 11 attack, 2+ 3++ scoring hq unit that can fill the compulsory slot? Good stuff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/43/#findComment-5738845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 Man huscarls look like a strong option. 275 for a 5 wound, 11 attack, 2+ 3++ scoring hq unit that can fill the compulsory slot? Good stuff. And they come with Teleporters included in the base unit cost which is nice. Sol Gloves for S8 AP1 Master-Crafted isn't too bad of an option as their only access to weapons that ID T4. Astartes Consul 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/43/#findComment-5738859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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