MCC Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 Whilst they may not have shown off the new box, I got a screen shot from there Facebook comments section which in my eyes is pretty much a confirmation of it existing and it’s just a matter of time. Cris R, Grim Dog Studios, Imren and 3 others 6 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/61/#findComment-5759524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted October 31, 2021 Author Share Posted October 31, 2021 (edited) What's interesting is they hadn't deleted that comment like they had been previously and they've even engaged with it. Edited October 31, 2021 by Hfran Morkai Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/61/#findComment-5759549 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 (edited) @MCC: boom? When I met with the devs at HH Weekender 2019, one of the ideas we batted back and forth was the idea of further iterations of the Primarchs/characters as the Black Book series went on. Up-daemoned Horus, Sanguinius-on-the-Walls, daemon Primarchs, etc… There’s already hints of that thinking with rules for Corax post-Istvaan and Lorgar Transfigured, but the question is whether there is the stomach to really stretch those ideas out into their own full-blown data sheets let alone models. Clearly rules are written trying to cover as many bases as possible in a single go. The counterpoint to the above was “well, up-daemoned Horus didn’t really fight anyone other than Sanguinius and the Emperor at the end, l so wouldn’t that datasheet be wasted?” Personally I take such line of thinking as a bit boring and unimaginative, but I can appreciate those saying it as trying to keep things in line with established fluff and the “historicity” of the setting and prevent “George Washington vs Ghengis Khan” types of situations. This was the same conversation where the idea of The Emperor having Guardsman stats but 4 pages of special rules came up, so should be taken as shooting-the- :cuss and musing over beers more than anything hard and fast. Still interesting to think about. Edited October 31, 2021 by Indefragable Gederas 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/61/#findComment-5759550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 Id hope demon primarch rules at least are fairly inevitable, the only real impediment is FW being weird about GW kits as it feels super unlikely we would see a resin version of them given that would be direct sales cannibalisation, though i could see an argument that plenty of folks would buy both of course :D Id hope we might get more alternate builds/rules for non Daemon Primarchs when we get revised army lists anyway as thats something they started doing a way along the process. Or potentially in future scenarios/Rites of war.Id hope we get minis for the Vengeful spirit fight, it could work as a mini campaign by itself after all and frankly Big Horus v The Emperor is too cool a pair to not sculpt. Allart01 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/61/#findComment-5759554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 Id hope demon primarch rules at least are fairly inevitable, the only real impediment is FW being weird about GW kits as it feels super unlikely we would see a resin version of them given that would be direct sales cannibalisation, though i could see an argument that plenty of folks would buy both of course :D Id hope we might get more alternate builds/rules for non Daemon Primarchs when we get revised army lists anyway as thats something they started doing a way along the process. Or potentially in future scenarios/Rites of war. Id hope we get minis for the Vengeful spirit fight, it could work as a mini campaign by itself after all and frankly Big Horus v The Emperor is too cool a pair to not sculpt. I think the internal turf war is a big factor for sure. Main GW/40K teams imaginable have “dibs” on daemon Primarchs like Fulgrim so that is a factor for sure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/61/#findComment-5759558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cris R Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 Id hope demon primarch rules at least are fairly inevitable, the only real impediment is FW being weird about GW kits as it feels super unlikely we would see a resin version of them given that would be direct sales cannibalisation, though i could see an argument that plenty of folks would buy both of course Id hope we might get more alternate builds/rules for non Daemon Primarchs when we get revised army lists anyway as thats something they started doing a way along the process. Or potentially in future scenarios/Rites of war. Id hope we get minis for the Vengeful spirit fight, it could work as a mini campaign by itself after all and frankly Big Horus v The Emperor is too cool a pair to not sculpt. I think the internal turf war is a big factor for sure. Main GW/40K teams imaginable have “dibs” on daemon Primarchs like Fulgrim so that is a factor for sure. And given that GW hasn't finished putting out all the demon Primarchs, I could see a situation where they would like to finish that process before considering whether FW should have a chance to follow suit. Durfast Spiritwolf 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/61/#findComment-5759565 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 I was looking forward to a more ‘grounded’ (if that’s possible for a warp creature) take on daemon primarchs. Magnus was fine, but Mortarian not being the Skeletal Mummy creature from the art and dripping with goo clashes with the FW Primarchs too much. 1ncarnadine 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/61/#findComment-5759574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCC Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 I can’t see them not making daemon primarchs, all the signs point to the next step for the game being the siege of terra so surely they’d have to update the primarchs who became daemons by that point Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/61/#findComment-5759578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 All signs would only point to the next step of the game being Terra if they are cutting out 40% of their timeline shown from events. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/61/#findComment-5759596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 All signs would only point to the next step of the game being Terra if they are cutting out 40% of their timeline shown from events. They may have had too as part of a larger restructuring within FW. Their original timeline was ambitious and Inferno ate up a lot more than expected. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/61/#findComment-5759615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bung Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 What's interesting is they hadn't deleted that comment like they had been previously and they've even engaged with it. Or a new guy trolling the community. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/61/#findComment-5759617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corswain Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 Daemon Primarch rules seem pretty likely but I like the 40K models and have no problem with their use in 30K. Just need a good 30K paint job. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/61/#findComment-5759618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 Even if they do an alternate sculpt i dont imagine it will wander far from the GW versions as those are pretty much the canon descriptions even during the siege, though id love a modern take on Mortarions original grim reaper style mini.Timeline wise they definitely need to step things up to Terra and possibly come back to other stuff, they probably should have done it around the same time BL did but for whatever reasons (which are many just from what ive heard) FW is yeeears behind right now and needs to cut their losses. Indefragable 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/61/#findComment-5759642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cris R Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 Even if they do an alternate sculpt i dont imagine it will wander far from the GW versions as those are pretty much the canon descriptions even during the siege, though id love a modern take on Mortarions original grim reaper style mini. Timeline wise they definitely need to step things up to Terra and possibly come back to other stuff, they probably should have done it around the same time BL did but for whatever reasons (which are many just from what ive heard) FW is yeeears behind right now and needs to cut their losses. I wonder to what extent the Exemplar Battles could serve as the foundation for downloadable packs of two to three campaigns that GW and FW release on a quarterly basis to fill the gaps as the Black Books cover major events. I’d prefer having free versions but that’s a potential path forward, provided they don’t skimp on quality control. Durfast Spiritwolf and Noserenda 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/61/#findComment-5759649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 Even if they do an alternate sculpt i dont imagine it will wander far from the GW versions as those are pretty much the canon descriptions even during the siege, though id love a modern take on Mortarions original grim reaper style mini. Yes and yes. I love the ruleset but I don't like his model. He and Fulgrim are my bottom two primarchs sadly. Both deserve a better version. Speaking of Fulgrim. His daemon miniature would look wonderful I guess. They should do him in 40k next. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/61/#findComment-5759813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
derLumpi Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 So, we have new month. Do we get another Legion Dispatch this week? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/61/#findComment-5759814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 So, we have new month. Do we get another Legion Dispatch this week? I told you... oh, wrong sentence. I guess so. The last two where start of the month so GIVE ME DA CONTENT FW! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/61/#findComment-5759820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCC Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 Valrak has made a video saying his "source" said there will be a Jaghatai Khan on a bike model revealed in the new year and they'll show the new box set around the same time as they've had to put the box release back. Gorgoff and Taliesin 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/61/#findComment-5759844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 Valrak has made a video saying his "source" said there will be a Jaghatai Khan on a bike model revealed in the new year and they'll show the new box set around the same time as they've had to put the box release back. The first part is a given, but second part is interesting. Since we have a worldwide cardboard and plastic wrap shortage I think this explanation is at least believable. MCC 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/61/#findComment-5759857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 Shipping situation is also taking a turn for the worse again, so it does line up - and that's before you factor in Christmas. We're already seeing oddities in GWs release schedule. MCC and Gorgoff 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/61/#findComment-5759873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCC Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 Shipping situation is also taking a turn for the worse again, so it does line up - and that's before you factor in Christmas. We're already seeing oddities in GWs release schedule. With Octarius part two being released with no build up on fanfare and then the warcry box going up the day after its previewed it definitely feels like the release schedule is out of whack. Just a shame they never speak to us customers and inform us themselves, especially for a product weve known about since june. Itd be nice to know whats worth spending my hobby money on! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/61/#findComment-5759916 Share on other sites More sharing options...
derLumpi Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 (edited) So, we have new month. Do we get another Legion Dispatch this week? I told you... oh, wrong sentence. :-D I guess it's alright in the end. I can save some additional funds and do small orders on the FW website to keep my interest up until they release that box. So next in my list is Ventanus and some Contemptor weapons. Edited November 1, 2021 by derLumpi Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/61/#findComment-5760014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corswain Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 Yeah, it's an opportunity to save a little more for the extra bits I'm going to need from FW. After I finally decide on a new Legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/61/#findComment-5760018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
derLumpi Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 News from Natfka: http://natfka.blogspot.com/2021/11/rumors-revamp-of-adeptus-mechanicus.html?m=1 The change with Warcry would explain why they showed it in the preview and that it will be up for pre order right after. Taliesin 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/61/#findComment-5760062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corswain Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 It's an....interesting rumour. It's impossible to prove or disprove unless GW acknowledge it and that makes me instantly skeptical. I guess that's like many of the rumours out there though. 2022 does seem like the only realistic option at this point. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/61/#findComment-5760067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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