Jayrich131 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 I agree that the majority of fans buy the models before the rules. If rules really were the guiding light, you wouldn't see so many new BT players go straight out and buy Land Raider Crusaders. That's because there's no better terrain feature than a beautiful LRC that absorbs 1/8 your point limit. Sword Brother Adelard and Khornestar 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokugawa Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Keep defeated in local casual games, is one of the biggest cause of quit the faction you play, and/or quit 40K. "Competitive" is not a bipolar black or white choice. There are many many situations between "pro player" and "didn't played a 2000pts matched game yet". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARMASTER_ Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 (edited) Agreed it’s not but I think people have a distorted perception of the size of the competitive community and its effect on sales if something isn’t great in its current rules iteration The Original point though was that if the rules bad it’ll hurt sales but the worst they can be is standard intercessors with more options that look better? which is already great in this edition Edited August 30, 2021 by BladeOfVengeance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Laeroth Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Ironically, to make primaris crusader kits selling, the first thing GW need to do on rules is : nuke the 15pts classic crusader. If cheaper older unit exist, it will obviously harm the sale of primaris crusaders. I honestly doubt that you’d be surprised how little most of the player base cares about rules or at least competitive play and just loves new gorgeous models Especially after 16 ish years of waiting for some I would VERY much dispute that. Yeah, no, I have to agree with the others on that one ML, the tournament scene is actually much smaller than the pure hobbiest scene, like MUCH smaller lol. He didn't say anything about tournament players. He said people who care about the rules are much smaller group than the hobbyist. And I will take that argument to my grave. Hobbyists care about the rules too, as most people want to at least do the mental exercises of going through the rules, building a list, and developing a game plan to play a game, even if some don't actually do it. Plus, I know that a new dedicated BT rulebook was requested more than new BT models were on the community survey by a wide margin. Could it be that the hobbyist simply did not fill the survey out? Maybe. Tokugawa 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trignama Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Ironically, to make primaris crusader kits selling, the first thing GW need to do on rules is : nuke the 15pts classic crusader. If cheaper older unit exist, it will obviously harm the sale of primaris crusaders. I honestly doubt that you’d be surprised how little most of the player base cares about rules or at least competitive play and just loves new gorgeous models Especially after 16 ish years of waiting for some I would VERY much dispute that.Yeah, no, I have to agree with the others on that one ML, the tournament scene is actually much smaller than the pure hobbiest scene, like MUCH smaller lol. He didn't say anything about tournament players. He said people who care about the rules are much smaller group than the hobbyist. And I will take that argument to my grave. Hobbyists care about the rules too, as most people want to at least do the mental exercises of going through the rules, building a list, and developing a game plan to play a game, even if some don't actually do it. Plus, I know that a new dedicated BT rulebook was requested more than new BT models were on the community survey by a wide margin. Could it be that the hobbyist simply did not fill the survey out? Maybe. Very possible, a TON of people that play this game have almost 0 online participation, they don't join forums and don't even follow all the edition updates. The silent majority still reigns true lol. Survey's are a terrible way to indicate the interest of a base, I know I for one never participate in them, and I'm sure there are plenty like me. Now, if you ask the ONLINE community about rules and books, then yes sure, your results are going to favor your interpretation because the target audience that survey is hitting then are people that are already online looking up strategies or points or what have you, so they are by nature already seeking that competitive edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Dat pre-when-they-usually-go-up rising anticipation... Eberious 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Heresy Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 I agree that the majority of fans buy the models before the rules. If rules really were the guiding light, you wouldn't see so many new BT players go straight out and buy Land Raider Crusaders. As a new BT collector who is about to spray his new Land Raider Crusader, I feel so attacked right now. But totally agree that models usually are a bigger driving factor than rules. Sword Brother Adelard 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 It's not an attack, I did the same thing. Casual Heresy and Trignama 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brethren Durion Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Still one hour to wait and see if we got something ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 I'm a strange one, I never got any LRC's, even for my old classic marine crusade. I did get two spartans though Casual Heresy and MegaVolt87 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Heresy Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 It's not an attack, I did the same thing. It seemed only logical to me since 1) Crusaders were developed by the Templars. 2) There was the really nice replacement doors on the original upgrade frame. And 3) Land Raider are cool. Will intresting to see what the rumoured vehicle upgrade sprue looks like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brethren Durion Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Sounds that I'm strange I take my army depending of their lore ! Then rules and finally models (it was BT or WE for me... but uh... Khorne Berserker are definitly too old for me !) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Hrm... maybe there is no model reveal today? Wouldn't it be up by now if there was? Was some fantasy model already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brethren Durion Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Last time we got some 30k stuff too so I still dream about somethint... But guess we will wait for another week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Alberic Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Seems like a strange decision to start revealing the model last week if their not going to continue weekly. May as well have waited till nearer the actual pre order date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trignama Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Yeah I don't think it will be this week now, more than likely everything will be dedicated to that Ork CP this week, maybe our box reveal next week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirJyo Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Huh looks like some Age of Ligmar stuff, rip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedFox Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 my day is absolutely ruined Marshal Reinhard, Trignama, Jayrich131 and 3 others 6 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eberious Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Clinging on for tomorrow, be strong brothers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrannicide Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 If we're not getting a reveal this week, then realistically it has to be next weekend around the 11th if the launch box in September rumor is true. That would mean reveal on the 11th, preorders on the 18th, with a release on the 25th. General Strike, Medjugorje and Marshal Reinhard 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Carpenter Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 I'll need that lunchbox!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARMASTER_ Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Why are they showing a filthy Xenos are our Monday preview show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eberious Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 I'll need that lunchbox!!! After all our Crusading I'll need a lunch box to, hungry work. :P 8Six 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmapa Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Lame but Im also clinging to the idea that they will begin showing more soon as the release of the launch box approaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Krieg Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 I'll need that lunchbox!!! Made me think they've gone bonkers and announced a Land Raider Crusader shaped, Templar themed, actual lunchbox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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