Marshal Laeroth Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 While being so unhappy with the vows - the 2 litanies we have already seen are absolutely great. I hope there is a way for us to recite litanies a bit easier - like on a 2+ or with reroll. Ancient breviary treatment. If the rumor about 5++ is true then we can field a lot of troops which would be awesome. It's 5++ invul/3+ transhuman army wide. Including vehicles. Confirmed. Gederas, redmapa, JAG Templar and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urkh Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 (edited) That relic that ignores AP -1 and 2 sounds even better with an army wide 5++ to deal with ap 3 and higher. Would that 5++ make something like a LRC playable, at least? And at least with suffer not, it doesn't limit us to only the assault doctrine being active, yah? I'll still take AAC or uphold any day over it though. Maybe abhor if I'm playing against my cousin's GKs. Edited to avoid double post. Edited October 8, 2021 by Urkh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmapa Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 While being so unhappy with the vows - the 2 litanies we have already seen are absolutely great. I hope there is a way for us to recite litanies a bit easier - like on a 2+ or with reroll. Ancient breviary treatment. If the rumor about 5++ is true then we can field a lot of troops which would be awesome. It's 5++ invul/3+ transhuman army wide. Including vehicles. Confirmed. Well it seems like I found the perfect Vow for my Dreadnought+Terminator list, transhuman lite on every Terminator and an invulnerable save for every dreadnought? LETS FREAKIN GO!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokugawa Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 If vehicles could also got the 5++ , and the litany of divine protection is not axed… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Templar Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 While being so unhappy with the vows - the 2 litanies we have already seen are absolutely great. I hope there is a way for us to recite litanies a bit easier - like on a 2+ or with reroll. Ancient breviary treatment. If the rumor about 5++ is true then we can field a lot of troops which would be awesome. It's 5++ invul/3+ transhuman army wide. Including vehicles. Confirmed. Well it seems like I found the perfect Vow for my Dreadnought+Terminator list, transhuman lite on every Terminator and an invulnerable save for every dreadnought? LETS FREAKIN GO!. This vow sounds amazing compared to the others. Redemptors are going to be brutal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradeh Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 (edited) Seeing as SB have normal power weapons and no option for shields what justifies them against Bladeguard? Both aimed to using an Impulsor, maybe they will cost around 25 points? Edited October 8, 2021 by Bradeh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 The moment have come brothers, tomorrow will be the dawn of pre orders and reviews of the box. We are moments away from the rules being released into the wild. I am going to miss this thread as it had been a fun ride and hope that it will birth many crusades in the Emperor's name. Here's to the teasers and rumours being fulfilled and to the future rumours of the next primaris wave that will eventually come to us. Here's to trying to order while at work via my phone. Fingers crossed I don't end up on the "made to order" list.Mine says ‘pre-order’ does that mean I made the cut?Yes. I think. They did two seperate listings for Octarius and one was made to order. JAG Templar 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brethren Durion Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 Wait in how many time is pre order for Europe ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjulhu Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 I'm pretty pleased with what was revealed today. The forced charge aspect is a little fiddly, but the way these vows are split makes me think we might get a strat, relic, or WT trait that lets us ignore the passion side for a unit, so you can play around in that space a little. It's prime design space for a 1 CP strat to ignore the down sides for a phase or turn. Other than that, it's exciting to see Knights of Sigismund without the charge restriction, especially in a world of Necron and Ork T5. Between that, the mortal wounds output, and the restructuring of Divine Push, it feels like they're shoring up some of our 8th weaknesses while making us play less cheesy and more solidly. We needed reliable mortal wounds output, now we have some. We have targeted rerolls that let us operate away from characters. And it looks like some of the fat in our Litanies list was trimmed out for actual usable things. I'm already seeing some gold here. The highest points might have been trimmed down a bit, but it looks like our lowest are coming way up. So they might include rules in the codex to mitigate crippling mechanics and removals introduced in the new codex. Cool, I hope that is the actual case and that there is some gold to play with rather than the questionable new stuff that has been presented so far. Even a we know you play the current playstyle is X but our goal is Y style of statement would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 Sete, templargdt and redmapa 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmapa Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 It doesnt mention if the invulnerable lasts for a turn like the Abhor the Witch movement buff, unless it gets amended fast that really does mean all kinds of Dreadnoughts will get a 5++ for the whole game. This and Accept Any Challenge are the best Vows, this is just pure gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 Uphold is definitely strong. Arguably too strong. Then again I am just a bit less excited about rules like this that just slap durability buffs onto everything. One or two grinder armies in the game is fine, every army getting to be a grinder army is a slog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 The moment have come brothers, tomorrow will be the dawn of pre orders and reviews of the box. We are moments away from the rules being released into the wild. I am going to miss this thread as it had been a fun ride and hope that it will birth many crusades in the Emperor's name. Here's to the teasers and rumours being fulfilled and to the future rumours of the next primaris wave that will eventually come to us. Here's to trying to order while at work via my phone. Fingers crossed I don't end up on the "made to order" list. ditto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 This is a serious game changer, in my uneducated opinion. Marines have a solid core to work from, BT get some amazing Litanies, and then put this on top? Yeah, that seems nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trignama Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 So much for large crusader squads being bad :D hahahahahah lol lol Kastor Krieg 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 Got my box! First time playing a loyalist faction. Ever. Strange times... At least I won't be the only "Marshal (x)" person on the internet to not play Black Templars anymore. :P Imperial Enforcer, RedFox, Dosjetka and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brethren Durion Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 That's my first time pre ordering stuff on games workshop and I still see nothing. Can someone tell me if it's region lock ? And the release is later for western europe ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vardus Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 That's my first time pre ordering stuff on games workshop and I still see nothing. Can someone tell me if it's region lock ? And the release is later for western europe ? Yes, usually around 10am local time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brethren Durion Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 That's my first time pre ordering stuff on games workshop and I still see nothing. Can someone tell me if it's region lock ? And the release is later for western europe ? Yes, usually around 10am local time. Okay ! Thanks ! I was starting to be a bit afraid that I miss it xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waaagh? Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 20 man Primaris Crusader squad with a 5++, Transhuman, 5+FNP from litany and Chief Apothecary kicking about........lets get crusading! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 20 man Primaris Crusader squad with a 5++, Transhuman, 5+FNP from litany and Chief Apothecary kicking about........lets get crusading! and one model which can ignore ap -1 and -2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryptshadow Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 seems every store here in the u.s has at least 10 copies, its gonna be a very available box set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freypal Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 I think they've made a lot of copies. My local store got their full requested allocation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 Ordering directly from gw because i got a voucher to use, i want that bonus sergeant, and my 'local' store isn't very local at all. Marshal Mattias and zarkkarn 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd-ad Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 I really like the vows, at least from a fluff perspective. Each really makes sense for the Black Templars, and so do the passions. Accept any Challenge: We're a chapter of knights and swordsmen, closing with the enemy to kill them in close combat is basically our m.o. Plus, by keeping our extra attack throughout the combat it emphasises our sustained aggression. And as for the passion, if we fall back then we clearly haven't "accepted any challenge" since we'd be backing down. Abhor the Witch: we hate them and want to kill them, getting closer at the start of the battle and making sure we hit in combat makes sense. And why would we focus on an action like collecting information or raising a flag when we have a filthy witch nearby that needs killing? Suffer Not: we hate xenos and lots of them are incredibly tough, we want to make sure our blows count. And if we don't suffer them to live, it's also unsurprising if our zeal makes us attack the nearest foe in sight. Uphold the Honour: Divine protection granted by the grace of Him on Earth, links nicely with our mortal wounds defence and since the Emperor is protecting us, why would we use cover? Now they aren't necessarily all super competitive, but as far as fluffy rules go, I think they're pretty great. Marshal Mattias 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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