Khornestar Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) Hateful assault is still a thing, I’d hope? Though if they replaced it with just having an extra attack on everything, I would be OK with that! In the case of raptors it might be two. Edited January 24, 2022 by Khornestar Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/13/#findComment-5788277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Hateful assault is still a thing, I’d hope? Though if they replaced it with just having an extra attack on everything, I would be OK with that! In the case of raptors it might be two. No hateful assault, +1 attack to profile for all. Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/13/#findComment-5788280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezekyle_Abaddon Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) The only thing that has me a bit worried is the doctrine. Exploding 6s is kind of worse compared to -1AP. I'm also assuming that this will phase out the Death to the False Emperor ability, because it would be very dumb to have two abilities that let you get extra hits in the fight phase. Which would kind of be a down grade because it means you have to progress it to the assault phase instead of getting all the time, which definitely impacts 1st and 2nd turn charges. All in all I'm very pleased, especially with the legion traits. Edited January 24, 2022 by Ezekyle_Abaddon Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/13/#findComment-5788283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) The only thing that has me a bit worried is the doctrine. Exploding 6s is kind of worse compared to -1AP. I'm also assuming that this will phase out the Death to the False Emperor ability, because it would be very dumb to have two abilities that let you get extra hits in the fight phase. All in all I'm very pleased, especially with the legion traits. Please look at page 9 of this thread, i posted the math comparing sm doctrine vs csm doctrine. Csm doctrine is superior in all cases except ap0 and ap1 when there are no invul saves. Edited January 24, 2022 by Clockworkchris Llagos_Tyrant and Lexington 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/13/#findComment-5788284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hathor42 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Feels like they removed worldeaters so turned the wordbearers into the cc legion. I'll be a little disappointed if we don't get legion supplements like loyalists got as I'd like more lore and such. Akylas and Petitioner's City 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/13/#findComment-5788290 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Well I for one have ALWAYS loved Word…. Blah, I can’t even get the words out of my mouth. Not doing it! This is purely a selfish question based on my massive Black Legion army, but has anyone heard good or bad news on Haarken the World claimer? I anxiously painted him up on release on,y to find him to be the biggest potato in the legion. Also dying to know if Termies got any love as I still use them in droves. For BL it might… just might be worthwhile to use Bolter troops. Gaining some AP might help their plight. But this should help massed Termie bolters help a bit. Exploding 5's plus AP1.( for a turn?) I feel like the lack of mention on the Helbrute might mean no news. I often thought they might update that model. weird though that my older Chaos armies get no love…. No Red Corsairs or Crimson Slaughter rules mentioned. Very excited at the prospect of running chosen in BL with hammers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/13/#findComment-5788302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 I suppose the WB trait is because they have a preference for carrying around tainted sacrifical daggers and such, athames or other warp-tainted weapons. At least they did back in the heresy... Iron Inspirit, Llagos_Tyrant, Clockworkchris and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/13/#findComment-5788306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SillyDreadnought Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 I'm going to let myself feel a small bit of hope that this codex won't be a complete garbage fire like previous editions were. Clockworkchris, Vesalius, Jorgend Lupus and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/13/#findComment-5788314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) I suppose the WB trait is because they have a preference for carrying around tainted sacrifical daggers and such, athames or other warp-tainted weapons. At least they did back in the heresy... The WB rules in 30k are kind of related, they get sweeping advance bonuses and can buy tainted weapons, so the charge bonuses and the MW generation is reflective to some degree. Also makes sense given the 30k rules that they would be melee oriented. Edited January 24, 2022 by WrathOfTheLion Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/13/#findComment-5788318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguinaryGuardsman Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Well I for one have ALWAYS loved Word…. Blah, I can’t even get the words out of my mouth. Not doing it! This is purely a selfish question based on my massive Black Legion army, but has anyone heard good or bad news on Haarken the World claimer? I anxiously painted him up on release on,y to find him to be the biggest potato in the legion. Also dying to know if Termies got any love as I still use them in droves. For BL it might… just might be worthwhile to use Bolter troops. Gaining some AP might help their plight. But this should help massed Termie bolters help a bit. Exploding 5's plus AP1.( for a turn?) I feel like the lack of mention on the Helbrute might mean no news. I often thought they might update that model. weird though that my older Chaos armies get no love…. No Red Corsairs or Crimson Slaughter rules mentioned. Very excited at the prospect of running chosen in BL with hammers. I think you could get 2 turns of BLs exploding 5s if tactical doctrine is consistent across loyalists and traitors. (GW is always consistent AMIRITE?) Im hoping that CSM will have access to rubrics and PMs. I would love to have some ap -3 rubrics to go with combi plasma terminators. For Haarken, I hope his spear has the same profile as the Tau Railgun. That would be epic. Prot and Khornestar 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/13/#findComment-5788322 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt87 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 BT players in shambles if the WB leaks are true. Prot, WrathOfTheLion and Khornestar 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/13/#findComment-5788339 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokugawa Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 BT players in shambles if the WB leaks are true. Why and how? The key feature of BT is free 5+ isv on everything. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/13/#findComment-5788345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 I'm going to let myself feel a small bit of hope that this codex won't be a complete garbage fire like previous editions were. thats the spirit . salty within salty without. techsoldaten, Khornestar and TrawlingCleaner 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/13/#findComment-5788355 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akylas Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 I never thought of Word Bearers as close combat focused but definitely won't be complaining if those rumours are true. I want to really lean into possessed, warp talons and obliterators and close combat bluffs should benefit two of the three of those. If I show people my 100 plus hours of Dark Crusade and signed copy of Aurelian do I get to bypass the bandwagoner toll? :D BadgersinHills 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/13/#findComment-5788357 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt87 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 BT players in shambles if the WB leaks are true. Why and how? The key feature of BT is free 5+ isv on everything. As far as I can tell, the desired BT buffs wish listed were to be more dangerous in melee, WB do that now arguably better. Coward survivability vs the Alpha assault buffs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/13/#findComment-5788359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokugawa Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 The desired buff of new update should always be "could win". "Win but also win in my favorite fashion" is luxury. You can't expect it from GW, especially when you playing a faction which obviously received less love from GW. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/13/#findComment-5788364 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryptix Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Hey none of the traits there are bad for Possessed, especially since the 5+ MW FNP means they basically don't lose their daemon invuln vs mortal wounds Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/13/#findComment-5788372 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt87 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Hey none of the traits there are bad for Possessed, especially since the 5+ MW FNP means they basically don't lose their daemon invuln vs mortal wounds I don't care how good the rules are. I'm not buying the current potato sculpts or spending $$$ on Gal Vorbak to use instead. Need a good plastic kit without derpy parts like new oblit feet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/13/#findComment-5788373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toldavf Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Looking forward to giving my Nightlords a spin under the new book, the potential to cause havoc on low morale/high number units like orks might be fun. I wonder how much of our faith and fury supplement will get copy pasted and will the talons of the black hunt remain amazing.I am really waiting on the rules for terminators though, unlike their imperial counterparts each chaos player has a different load out and it would suck for allot of people who have invested time/money had their terminators become suddenly unusable. I wonder if endless cacophony will stay and I wonder what the books biggest hitters will be. 3 stats on the new flesh metal guns might be a bit like the bubble chucker. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/13/#findComment-5788375 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesuVult Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 One thing that has been stopping me from building my new terminators and some of my new marines as chosen is that I am worried about GW changing their legal loadouts. Is there any information on if they have changed? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/13/#findComment-5788378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Strike Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 I never thought of Word Bearers as close combat focused but definitely won't be complaining if those rumours are true. I want to really lean into possessed, warp talons and obliterators and close combat bluffs should benefit two of the three of those. If I show people my 100 plus hours of Dark Crusade and signed copy of Aurelian do I get to bypass the bandwagoner toll? :D It makes sense in that Possessed are a big thing for WB, and theyre only melee. I think a warp talon, possessed, daemon engine, and oblit WB army will look cool too. These leaks helped me sell my pile of CSM in the box. Akylas 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/13/#findComment-5788379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokugawa Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Universal shoot or fight twice thing would be deleted, obviously. They caused balance problem in almost every faction, and removed in every updated 9th codices. The CSM version may be changed to something like "a noise marines unit shoot sonic weapons twice". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/13/#findComment-5788389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Officer Doofy Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 So the Legions have 3 part traits? Is that to make up for not having a super doctrine? And their icons have the same names but different rules than the new DG and TS codexes? And the traits apply to every unit unlike DG where it doesn't apply to Daemon engines? Seems weird. I mean I'm happy for chaos marines but the creep keeps on creeping! Plaguecaster 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/13/#findComment-5788391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt87 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Universal shoot or fight twice thing would be deleted, obviously. They caused balance problem in almost every faction, and removed in every updated 9th codices. The CSM version may be changed to something like "a noise marines unit shoot sonic weapons twice". *Stares in eradicators and Honour the Chapter stratagem. Shoot twice/ fight twice is going nowhere for the remainder of 9th at least. 10th maybe, Aggressors did lose their shoot twice in 9th changeover. So the Legions have 3 part traits? Is that to make up for not having a super doctrine? And their icons have the same names but different rules than the new DG and TS codexes? And the traits apply to every unit unlike DG where it doesn't apply to Daemon engines? Seems weird. I mean I'm happy for chaos marines but the creep keeps on creeping! DG are a FAQ and point revision away from greatness. My condolences on the recent CA points. Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/13/#findComment-5788393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguecaster Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) So the Legions have 3 part traits? Is that to make up for not having a super doctrine? And their icons have the same names but different rules than the new DG and TS codexes? And the traits apply to every unit unlike DG where it doesn't apply to Daemon engines? Seems weird. I mean I'm happy for chaos marines but the creep keeps on creeping!When even chaos marines who we got cut away from removing most of our stuff are getting decent rules to make them feared as a force whilst we have lack luster rules and yet still keep getting nerfed over more op armies Even more so that WB are getting a army wide feel no pain which we got removed since it was deemed too powerful :( Edited January 25, 2022 by Plaguecaster Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/13/#findComment-5788395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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